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Posted by Lou Pilder on March 28, 2012, at 9:54:13
In reply to Remove my post from this thread » Dr. Bob, posted by zazenducke on March 28, 2012, at 8:49:11
> Dr Bob Remove my post from this thread at once. What have kangaroos got to do with Scott? I had no intention to dishonor him in anyway. Please ask Scott how he felt about my post. It is wrong to single out Lou Pilder for this treatment.
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> I do not see any threat of violence towards you on the admin board. I know it is against policy to remove posts. Please clarify if you did.
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> If the policy has changed there are a number of insulting and hurtful things posted on this board about Lou. They need to be removed immediately.
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> > > I would not want to have sullied it, or risked insulting Scott, by asking for favorable responses only. ... As for those who might have differing feelings - I honestly didn't think anyone would.
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> > Would you have felt insulted, or that her message was sullied, if she'd asked for favorable responses only?
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Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20120312/msgs/1014317.html
Posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 13:09:38
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 8:26:29
So far on this thread Dr. Bob has 1) told me that I should have indicated that I wanted only positive responses in my thread, and 2) indicated that I should have known that I would get negative responses., otherwise, or perhaps anyway. It is as though the fact that Scott was, understandably, hurt by Lou's description of him has become my fault, and could have been prevented by me if I had done things differently. I am not at fault here in any way, and I do not believe I could have done anything which would have prevented what happened. There is an elephant in this room, and the innocent mice around the edges are being treated as though they are the problem. Sadly, "now I know" that this forum is no longer being moderated in a way that offers reasonable protection against hurt to innocent posters like Scott. In addition, allowing Lou to continue hurtful behavior without a word from administration is not doing him any favors at all. Quite the opposite - he is learning, over and over, that he does not need to care about the consequences of his actions.
Posted by papillon2 on March 28, 2012, at 13:31:19
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 13:09:38
Thank you, Twinleaf. I am having difficulty putting my thoughts into words.
The silence about the elephant in the room is deafening.
> So far on this thread Dr. Bob has 1) told me that I should have indicated that I wanted only positive responses in my thread, and 2) indicated that I should have known that I would get negative responses., otherwise, or perhaps anyway. It is as though the fact that Scott was, understandably, hurt by Lou's description of him has become my fault, and could have been prevented by me if I had done things differently. I am not at fault here in any way, and I do not believe I could have done anything which would have prevented what happened. There is an elephant in this room, and the innocent mice around the edges are being treated as though they are the problem. Sadly, "now I know" that this forum is no longer being moderated in a way that offers reasonable protection against hurt to innocent posters like Scott. In addition, allowing Lou to continue hurtful behavior without a word from administration is not doing him any favors at all. Quite the opposite - he is learning, over and over, that he does not need to care about the consequences of his actions.
Posted by SLS on March 28, 2012, at 13:49:16
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 13:09:38
> So far on this thread Dr. Bob has 1) told me that I should have indicated that I wanted only positive responses in my thread, and 2) indicated that I should have known that I would get negative responses., otherwise, or perhaps anyway. It is as though the fact that Scott was, understandably, hurt by Lou's description of him has become my fault, and could have been prevented by me if I had done things differently. I am not at fault here in any way, and I do not believe I could have done anything which would have prevented what happened. There is an elephant in this room, and the innocent mice around the edges are being treated as though they are the problem. Sadly, "now I know" that this forum is no longer being moderated in a way that offers reasonable protection against hurt to innocent posters like Scott. In addition, allowing Lou to continue hurtful behavior without a word from administration is not doing him any favors at all. Quite the opposite - he is learning, over and over, that he does not need to care about the consequences of his actions.
Dear Twinleaf,You have become very important to me, and I would feel a great loss were you to stop posting on Psycho-Babble.
I am in total agreement with you. I wish I had your courage.
I wish that I had something more profound to say other than to hope that you have a nice day.
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- Scott
Posted by zazenducke on March 28, 2012, at 14:03:48
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 13:09:38
The elephant has really big feet and likes to set the mice against each other to keep them under control. And if they get too independent he throws them out of the room for a year!
Lou's not the problem.
Be careful. What good's a point of honor if it's on the tip of the petard the elephant's hoisting you off the premises with?
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 14:15:42
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 13:09:38
> It is as though the fact that Scott was, understandably, hurt ... could have been prevented by me if I had done things differently. I am not at fault here in any way, and I do not believe I could have done anything which would have prevented what happened. ... he is learning, over and over, that he does not need to care about the consequences of his actions.
What if he also believes he's not at fault in any way?
Bob
Posted by SLS on March 28, 2012, at 14:32:45
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 14:15:42
> > It is as though the fact that Scott was, understandably, hurt ... could have been prevented by me if I had done things differently. I am not at fault here in any way, and I do not believe I could have done anything which would have prevented what happened. ... he is learning, over and over, that he does not need to care about the consequences of his actions.
> What if he also believes he's not at fault in any way?
Man, this is one hell of a can of worms that has just been opened. Perhaps this discussion ought to be redirected to Administration. Of course, it might be nice to terminate it now to prevent further hurt or antipathy.
- Scott
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 14:39:40
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by SLS on March 28, 2012, at 14:32:45
> Perhaps this discussion ought to be redirected to Administration.
I wondered that, too. I'm OK with whatever Twinleaf wants. :-)
Bob
Posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 17:38:18
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 14:39:40
Well, I would have liked it if we had made a little progress towards solving the actual problem, but since we have been side-tracked into increasingly inconsequential and frustrating minor issues, I would like to see the whole topic dropped - and thanks for asking!
Posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 17:48:39
In reply to Re: what you want » Twinleaf, posted by SLS on March 28, 2012, at 13:49:16
You can be assured that those feelings go both ways, Scott. It's lovely to be wished a nice day! My husband and I actually took a hike along the Potomac River in search of TWINLEAFs, but we found that they had already bloomed about 10 days ago, due to the extra- warm weather. I don't know if you are familiar with them, but twinleafs are an especially lovely white spring flower which grows in the mid-Atlantic region. It was Thomas Jefferson's favorite, as I understand.
Posted by zazenducke on March 28, 2012, at 18:00:13
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 17:38:18
What if he also believes he's not at fault in any way?
I do not believe Lou's beliefs are inconsequential or minor issue.
If negative judgements are being made about something he said he deserves to explain his side if he wants to.
If anything I have said offended you I apologize that was not my intention.
> Well, I would have liked it if we had made a little progress towards solving the actual problem, but since we have been side-tracked into increasingly inconsequential and frustrating minor issues, I would like to see the whole topic dropped - and thanks for asking!
Posted by zazenducke on March 28, 2012, at 18:30:34
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by zazenducke on March 28, 2012, at 18:00:13
but at least since bob left this up to you
we wont have bob to blame for hurting LouHEY WAIT A MINUTE what's going on here?
*squeak* *squeak*
Posted by Phillipa on March 28, 2012, at 19:35:24
In reply to Re: what you want » zazenducke, posted by zazenducke on March 28, 2012, at 18:30:34
I watched the video and found the video to be rather ill to me that is? Phillipa
Posted by ou812 on March 28, 2012, at 19:39:37
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 14:15:42
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> BobIt has been revealed to me that this same defense has been the thoughts of many posters that have been PBC'd or blocked as determined by you. If there were an appeal process where one could explain the mindset or circumstances in which replies were posted (and a chance to retract) would seem a more open and fair way in which other would have a chance to understand another's perspective and possibly be more empathetic. IMHO
Posted by zazenducke on March 28, 2012, at 19:58:27
In reply to Re: what you want » zazenducke, posted by Phillipa on March 28, 2012, at 19:35:24
> I watched the video and found the video to be rather ill to me that is? Phillipa
I posted you in thread below. It's just Bob Dylan in makeup. Was a little startling at first I guess.
Check out the new great moments in animated music It has lots of Disney characters. It's really cute.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20120312/msgs/1014356.html
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 20:54:20
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by ou812 on March 28, 2012, at 19:39:37
> If there were an appeal process where one could explain the mindset or circumstances in which replies were posted (and a chance to retract) would seem a more open and fair way in which other would have a chance to understand another's perspective and possibly be more empathetic. IMHO
Who would we like to understand and empathize with? Say A posts, B replies in an uncivil (as determined by me) way, and I block B.
1. If I give B a chance to explain their mindset and circumstances, maybe I'll understand and empathize with them and unblock them.
But maybe I'd be unlikely to change my mind. I supported the idea of a Community Council made up of posters independent of me that could hear appeals and lift blocks:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101014/msgs/969518.html
but the community voted to keep me King.
2. If B gives A a chance to explain their mindset and circumstances, maybe they wouldn't reply in an uncivil way in the first place and I wouldn't be involved at all.
I'd be OK with that, too.
Bob
Posted by zazenducke on March 28, 2012, at 21:29:10
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 20:54:20
Shouldn't you block everyone who doesn't accept you as King? What a delightful insight into how you see yourself tho LOL
IMHODBHNPD
Posted by topgun on April 3, 2012, at 21:25:35
In reply to Re: what you want » SLS, posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 17:48:39
Twinleaf,
I was wondering If there might be some way to contact you directly via Babblemail? I have several questions regarding your particular experience with TMS. It would be greatly appreciated! Thank you so much for your time!
Posted by Twinleaf on April 3, 2012, at 23:12:48
In reply to For Twinleaf: Questions.., posted by topgun on April 3, 2012, at 21:25:35
Up to now, I have preferred to use the open forum only. I would be very glad to share any experiences I have had with TMS if you are comfortable with that.
Posted by topgun on April 9, 2012, at 15:36:03
In reply to Re: For Twinleaf: Questions.., posted by Twinleaf on April 3, 2012, at 23:12:48
Twinleaf,
Thank you for responding so quickly. I have never posted to the forum before. I guess I tend to be on the shy/discreet side when it comes to these things. I've tried to get up the courage to post but.... Please forgive me.
J
Posted by Twinleaf on April 9, 2012, at 19:24:36
In reply to Re: For Twinleaf: Questions.., posted by topgun on April 9, 2012, at 15:36:03
Not at all. I would love to share any information I have from my eight years of experience with TMS, but don't feel I have the time right now for babblemail
Posted by topgun on April 10, 2012, at 16:36:01
In reply to Re: For Twinleaf: Questions.., posted by Twinleaf on April 9, 2012, at 19:24:36
Twinleaf,
I'm just going to bite the bullet here and post. Here are a few questions I have for you:
- If I remember correctly in one of your old posts, you mentioned that you used Tylenol 3 to help you with the pain during the procedure (please correct me if I'm wrong) If so, did you find it to help significantly with the pain? I'm guessing you had tried it first without this but it was too painful?
-The vast majority of doctors will only recommend OTC pain meds because they feel that anything stronger like codeine etc. would sedate the brain and therefore counteract the desired effect of stimulating the brain (at least the Prefrontal Cortex) If it worked for you, even with the Tylenol 3, that would offer some hope. ( I am familiar with the doctor you went to so I would trust his judgment in this regard)
- Can you describe the positive effects you had from TMS? better mood? etc.
- Lastly (and this, I know, may sound strange), was it at all scary for you to feel better/different? Were you able to cope fairly easily with the change?
Thank you so much for your help..I hope I didn't ask too many questions! It is greatly appreciated!
J
Posted by Twinleaf on April 10, 2012, at 18:06:49
In reply to Re: For Twinleaf: Questions.., posted by topgun on April 10, 2012, at 16:36:01
When I first started having TMS with Dr. Hutto in Atlanta, he prescribed Tylenol #3. I have always had a bit more trouble with the pain than most people do (I was always given a maximal amount of current). I don't think the pain medication made too much difference, but it sort of gave me more confidence. Dr. Hutto did not seem to be at all concerned about it interfering with the effectiveness of the TMS. Now, I have maintenance treatment (2) about every six months, but I no longer feel the need for medication. Just used to it probably!
Initially, I would feel very depressed prior to treatment, with MADRS scores in the severe range. I would feel quite a bit better after two treatments, and would have normal scores by the end of a week of treatment. I would slowly revert back to being severely depressed over a six month period, and would then get treated again. (Atlanta is a 2-hour flight). Now that I have had a lot of psychotherapy, and made some needed changes in my life, I do not have any depressions that are more than mild. But I still value the TMS treatments for their calming effect and their ability to get my MADRS scores to zero.
No, the change for the better was so welcome. I felt like the person I was before I developed depression, and it was easy to pick up a busier and more social schedule.
When it doesn't work, it's so disappointing. But when it does work, it does so in such a natural, side effect-free manner that it seems superior to medication. Worth a try!
Posted by topgun on April 11, 2012, at 13:30:36
In reply to Re: For Twinleaf: Questions.., posted by Twinleaf on April 10, 2012, at 18:06:49
Twinleaf,
Thank you for your informative response. Can I ask though, what symptoms did you notice to get better with the TMS? i.e. better mood, more energy etc.? When did you notice improvement in your symptoms? (How long into the initial treatment)
Also, Did it help with anxiety? (this may not have been an issue for you)
Thank you again. You have no idea how helpful this is!
J
Posted by Twinleaf on April 11, 2012, at 14:09:35
In reply to Re: For Twinleaf: Questions.., posted by topgun on April 11, 2012, at 13:30:36
When I first started TMS, I had a severe depression, which was just indescribably painful. Over the years, it has lightened to mild to normal, but the best way to describe the effect of the TMS is, or was, relief of emotional pain. When this lifted, I had more energy for ordinary things.
I usually noticed a definite improvement after two sessions (in Atlanta, I had two sessions a day so I could get home quicker).
When the severe depression lifted several years ago, I began to notice that the TMS had a definite calming effect on anxiety. That is what I notice the most now after maintenance treatment
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