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Posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 13:26:01
In reply to Re: Lou's request-whunnahphul, posted by ou812 on March 24, 2012, at 10:47:05
> Lou, this was written to Scott and you have hijacked this thread; it isn't about YOU or any other aspect of your presence here...
ou812,
You wrote the above.
Be advised, my friend, that I consider myself an equal member here. You see, the forum is for support and education and support is not the same in my understanding as {reinforcement}. I do not consider any posts here to be private messages. Those can be sent via the b-mail here and if posted, it is my understanding that they can be subject to requests for clarification to further support and education. You see, I am here to save lives and to help people overcome addiction and depression which when others try to prevent me from doing that, I have to ask myself how that could be supportive here for support takes precedence according to the TOS here.
In this situation, there are requests from me for clarification of what the poster wrote. My requests are to the poster that wrote such. Others could still reply to anyone else, they could still post to Scott, they could still post to me, as you have, and others here. They are not hijacking the thread anymore than I am, for Mr. Hsiung redirects posts that are on another topic. I have posted to the innitiator of the thread in a request for clarification. And as long as my requests remain outstanding, those that are trying to make a decision to take mind-altering drugs can not have the answers from the poster to have a better understanding of what the poster wrote. And I think that it is important for people to know what that poster wants to mean by what they wrote here. This is all because these drugs can induce a life-ruining condition or death or addiction and others reading here IMHO (redacted by respondent)the answers from the posters to my requests.
But it is much more than this here. You see, if you could go to the admin board here and look through all of the outstanding requests and notifications from me, you could see that there are posts that IMHO could arouse antisemitic feelings unless my requests are acted on. While the requests remain outstanding, others could think that the statements that could lead others to think that Jews are inferior because they are denied Eternal Life or forgiveness because they reject the claim that {only} (redacted by respondent) Jesus, are supportive and it is good for the community as a whole for the statement to be allowed to stand. This, my friend, has historical roots that Mr. Hsiung has made a prohibition to me so that I can not post my response to the poster , nor to him.
Now here is a link where Mr. Hsiung states to not tell others not to post here. So I post here as an equal member as a result of what Mr. Hsiung has told the members here.I took hinm at his word
Lou
Here is a link to this
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110117/msgs/1011647.html
Posted by Solstice on March 24, 2012, at 20:19:08
In reply to For Scott, posted by Twinleaf on March 23, 2012, at 14:01:07
> I wanted to pause in a busy day to tell you how much genuine support and happiness your thoughts have given me.
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> I also want to say that it is beyond thrilling that you are finding a solution to the severe depression which has plagued you for three decades. It is such a wonderful example to everyone - you never gave up through many, many complex medication trials and countless heartbreaking weak successes and severe failures. I do hope that, as you feel better, you will still post here. You have an incomparable knowledge of medications; even though I think I have an excellent pdoc, you definitely put him in the shade!
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> I hope you live to 102, and feel 22 every single minute of it!Scott -
yes, Yes, YES! Everything TW says here is true. I second the sentiment.
Solstice
Posted by Elanor Roosevelt on March 24, 2012, at 22:42:53
In reply to Lou's request-wnnerphulfoarevrywun?, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 5:34:13
nobody is going to watch your stupid videos
Posted by sigismund on March 24, 2012, at 23:25:03
In reply to get lost Lou, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on March 24, 2012, at 22:42:53
I would need some amphetamine to have enough energy to go through the process.
Posted by zazenducke on March 25, 2012, at 16:53:08
In reply to Re: get lost Lou, posted by sigismund on March 24, 2012, at 23:25:03
> I would need some amphetamine to have enough energy to go through the process.
Well you're not very likely to get any with statements like that. Should you need some amphetamine to concentrate and focus and avoid distractions going through the process it might be indicated!
I hold GOOGLE responsible for the nationwide shortage of adderall.
Posted by TiredofChemicals on March 25, 2012, at 18:48:30
In reply to Re: get lost Lou, posted by sigismund on March 24, 2012, at 23:25:03
> I would need some amphetamine to have enough energy to go through the process.
lol, sorry had to.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2012, at 11:11:12
In reply to Twinleaf's request, posted by Twinleaf on March 24, 2012, at 6:33:10
> Lou,, I am appalled to see your extreme, inappropriate remarks on my thread. Please create your own thread for any remarks you wish to make from now on.
What remarks would you feel would be appropriate? I'd consider it civil, and others might find it helpful, if you specified what you would or wouldn't feel supported by. See:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20100524/msgs/949275.html
That's different than telling someone no remarks from them are welcome. Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
Please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2012, at 11:11:39
In reply to Lou's request-psmohkey, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 10:01:29
> this ongoing allowing of defamation toward me here
> dehumanizing statements toward Jews
Please don't post anything that could lead others (which includes posters, deputies, or myself) to feel accused (which includes accused of anti-Semitism). To notify the administration of issues you see, use the "notify administrators" button below the post.
Please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2012, at 11:12:25
In reply to get lost Lou, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on March 24, 2012, at 22:42:53
> get lost Lou
> nobody is going to watch your stupid videosPlease be sensitive to the feelings of others.
But please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
I do hope that you choose to remain a member of this community and that members of this community help you, if needed, to avoid future blocks. If you want to be proactive, you could ask another poster to be your civility buddy:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#buddies
It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may help. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil (including in the subject line).
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by zazenducke on March 26, 2012, at 12:03:27
In reply to Re: blocked for week » Elanor Roosevelt, posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2012, at 11:12:25
Posted by Twinleaf on March 26, 2012, at 13:03:02
In reply to For Scott, posted by Twinleaf on March 23, 2012, at 14:01:07
I think it should be obvious from my post that any comments in support of my message to Scott about the courage I feel he has shown, his willingness to keep on trying new medication combinations and the admiration I feel for how he has dealt with his situation would be very welcome. Don't you agree that very negative messages such as Lou's really undermine and damage my positive message, and, if they must be endlessly repeated, will do the least damage in separate threads which can be more easily avoided?
Posted by Dinah on March 27, 2012, at 9:51:58
In reply to For Scott, posted by Twinleaf on March 23, 2012, at 14:01:07
Scott, I'm so happy that you've got a combination that is working for you now! You've been such a stabilizing and helpful part of Babble for so long, and you deserve all the best.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 27, 2012, at 19:35:14
In reply to Re: For Scott, posted by Twinleaf on March 26, 2012, at 13:03:02
Twinleaf,
If when you start a thread you want only support, please say so. Sometimes posters are interested in support, sometimes in hearing different points of view. If you're explicit about what you want, you're more likely to get it -- and those who reply are more likely to feel appreciated.
Scott,
Did Lou's message get in the way of you hearing Twinleaf's message?
Bob
Posted by SLS on March 28, 2012, at 1:13:49
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Dr. Bob on March 27, 2012, at 19:35:14
> Twinleaf,
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> If when you start a thread you want only support, please say so. Sometimes posters are interested in support, sometimes in hearing different points of view. If you're explicit about what you want, you're more likely to get it -- and those who reply are more likely to feel appreciated.
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> Scott,
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> Did Lou's message get in the way of you hearing Twinleaf's message?
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> BobIt was too wonderful a message for me not to hear, despite the noise in the background.
I found the noise to be more intrusive and vehement than usual here, and I was upset by it. You know, it was as much hurtful to me as it was angering. For me, it soured the ambiance of the whole thread. "30 years of druggin'" makes it personal.
For me to opine more regarding the messages posted by Lou Pilder would be inappropriate here at this juncture.
- Scott
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 1:41:05
In reply to Re: what you want » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on March 28, 2012, at 1:13:49
> It was too wonderful a message for me not to hear, despite the noise in the background.
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> For me, [the noise] soured the ambiance of the whole thread.Thanks for explaining. I'm glad her message got through. "Noise" is in the ear of the beholder, but I think the board may be more supportive if we privilege the ear of the "original poster" (for posters to have some say over how threads they start develop).
Bob
Posted by SLS on March 28, 2012, at 1:53:44
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 1:41:05
> "Noise" is in the ear of the beholder,
Yes. You are right.
- Scott
Posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 5:29:42
In reply to Re: what you want » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on March 28, 2012, at 1:53:44
The post I wrote to Scott was an appreciation. I have not written a post like this before, and I would not want to have sullied it, or risked insulting Scott, by asking for favorable responses only. I feel that intelligent, sensitive people reading my post would naturally understand this.; those who wanted to join with me would do so naturally. As for those who might have differing feelings - I honestly didn't think anyone would. I was very distressed and shocked to see Lou's post, and knew it would be hurtful to Scott.
This kind of post is fundamentally different from the vast majority, where information and the airing of different views and experiences are welcome and expected. In these regular posts, I have always loved hearing different views, and it is even fun to see threads get high-jacked and end up in unexpected places. I would never want to try to control the responses in these posts either.
Bob, there is definitely a problem here, but I am not it. If I understand correctly, you have been threatened with violence yesterday on Administration; that is where you need to direct your attention.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 8:26:29
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 5:29:42
> I would not want to have sullied it, or risked insulting Scott, by asking for favorable responses only. ... As for those who might have differing feelings - I honestly didn't think anyone would.
Well, now you know.
Scott,
Would you have felt insulted, or that her message was sullied, if she'd asked for favorable responses only?
Bob
Posted by zazenducke on March 28, 2012, at 8:49:11
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 8:26:29
Dr Bob Remove my post from this thread at once. What have kangaroos got to do with Scott? I had no intention to dishonor him in anyway. Please ask Scott how he felt about my post. It is wrong to single out Lou Pilder for this treatment.
I do not see any threat of violence towards you on the admin board. I know it is against policy to remove posts. Please clarify if you did.
If the policy has changed there are a number of insulting and hurtful things posted on this board about Lou. They need to be removed immediately.
> > I would not want to have sullied it, or risked insulting Scott, by asking for favorable responses only. ... As for those who might have differing feelings - I honestly didn't think anyone would.
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> Well, now you know.
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> Scott,
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> Would you have felt insulted, or that her message was sullied, if she'd asked for favorable responses only?
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> Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 28, 2012, at 9:54:13
In reply to Remove my post from this thread » Dr. Bob, posted by zazenducke on March 28, 2012, at 8:49:11
> Dr Bob Remove my post from this thread at once. What have kangaroos got to do with Scott? I had no intention to dishonor him in anyway. Please ask Scott how he felt about my post. It is wrong to single out Lou Pilder for this treatment.
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> I do not see any threat of violence towards you on the admin board. I know it is against policy to remove posts. Please clarify if you did.
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> If the policy has changed there are a number of insulting and hurtful things posted on this board about Lou. They need to be removed immediately.
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> > > I would not want to have sullied it, or risked insulting Scott, by asking for favorable responses only. ... As for those who might have differing feelings - I honestly didn't think anyone would.
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> > Would you have felt insulted, or that her message was sullied, if she'd asked for favorable responses only?
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> > Bob
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> zzduck,
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20120312/msgs/1014317.html
Posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 13:09:38
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 8:26:29
So far on this thread Dr. Bob has 1) told me that I should have indicated that I wanted only positive responses in my thread, and 2) indicated that I should have known that I would get negative responses., otherwise, or perhaps anyway. It is as though the fact that Scott was, understandably, hurt by Lou's description of him has become my fault, and could have been prevented by me if I had done things differently. I am not at fault here in any way, and I do not believe I could have done anything which would have prevented what happened. There is an elephant in this room, and the innocent mice around the edges are being treated as though they are the problem. Sadly, "now I know" that this forum is no longer being moderated in a way that offers reasonable protection against hurt to innocent posters like Scott. In addition, allowing Lou to continue hurtful behavior without a word from administration is not doing him any favors at all. Quite the opposite - he is learning, over and over, that he does not need to care about the consequences of his actions.
Posted by papillon2 on March 28, 2012, at 13:31:19
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 13:09:38
Thank you, Twinleaf. I am having difficulty putting my thoughts into words.
The silence about the elephant in the room is deafening.
> So far on this thread Dr. Bob has 1) told me that I should have indicated that I wanted only positive responses in my thread, and 2) indicated that I should have known that I would get negative responses., otherwise, or perhaps anyway. It is as though the fact that Scott was, understandably, hurt by Lou's description of him has become my fault, and could have been prevented by me if I had done things differently. I am not at fault here in any way, and I do not believe I could have done anything which would have prevented what happened. There is an elephant in this room, and the innocent mice around the edges are being treated as though they are the problem. Sadly, "now I know" that this forum is no longer being moderated in a way that offers reasonable protection against hurt to innocent posters like Scott. In addition, allowing Lou to continue hurtful behavior without a word from administration is not doing him any favors at all. Quite the opposite - he is learning, over and over, that he does not need to care about the consequences of his actions.
Posted by SLS on March 28, 2012, at 13:49:16
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 13:09:38
> So far on this thread Dr. Bob has 1) told me that I should have indicated that I wanted only positive responses in my thread, and 2) indicated that I should have known that I would get negative responses., otherwise, or perhaps anyway. It is as though the fact that Scott was, understandably, hurt by Lou's description of him has become my fault, and could have been prevented by me if I had done things differently. I am not at fault here in any way, and I do not believe I could have done anything which would have prevented what happened. There is an elephant in this room, and the innocent mice around the edges are being treated as though they are the problem. Sadly, "now I know" that this forum is no longer being moderated in a way that offers reasonable protection against hurt to innocent posters like Scott. In addition, allowing Lou to continue hurtful behavior without a word from administration is not doing him any favors at all. Quite the opposite - he is learning, over and over, that he does not need to care about the consequences of his actions.
Dear Twinleaf,You have become very important to me, and I would feel a great loss were you to stop posting on Psycho-Babble.
I am in total agreement with you. I wish I had your courage.
I wish that I had something more profound to say other than to hope that you have a nice day.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by zazenducke on March 28, 2012, at 14:03:48
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 13:09:38
The elephant has really big feet and likes to set the mice against each other to keep them under control. And if they get too independent he throws them out of the room for a year!
Lou's not the problem.
Be careful. What good's a point of honor if it's on the tip of the petard the elephant's hoisting you off the premises with?
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 14:15:42
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Twinleaf on March 28, 2012, at 13:09:38
> It is as though the fact that Scott was, understandably, hurt ... could have been prevented by me if I had done things differently. I am not at fault here in any way, and I do not believe I could have done anything which would have prevented what happened. ... he is learning, over and over, that he does not need to care about the consequences of his actions.
What if he also believes he's not at fault in any way?
Bob
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