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Posted by sigismund on February 21, 2012, at 20:40:35
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe, posted by Lou Pilder on February 21, 2012, at 20:30:44
Lou, you are speaking to the choir when it comes to psych drugs with me. It's not that I am against drugs. I just can not tolerate most psych drugs. The only thing that seems to help are things I can't get. I had this dialogue running through my head this morning, about whether it was age or the human condition or depression.
Well, what do you need then (apart from things that work like opiates and amphetamines)? What have we got? Drink, Valium, gabapentin?
(I needed to cook some food.)
Then I realised I had a little tianeptine so I took 2 of those. In an hour I could move and I am cooking now. So that's all right but amineptine would be better, but surprise surprise, you can't get that any more.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 21, 2012, at 21:00:45
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe » Lou Pilder, posted by sigismund on February 21, 2012, at 20:40:35
> Lou, you are speaking to the choir when it comes to psych drugs with me. It's not that I am against drugs. I just can not tolerate most psych drugs. The only thing that seems to help are things I can't get. I had this dialogue running through my head this morning, about whether it was age or the human condition or depression.
> Well, what do you need then (apart from things that work like opiates and amphetamines)? What have we got? Drink, Valium, gabapentin?
> (I needed to cook some food.)
> Then I realised I had a little tianeptine so I took 2 of those. In an hour I could move and I am cooking now. So that's all right but amineptine would be better, but surprise surprise, you can't get that any more.Sig,
Whatcha got a cookin'?
Lou
Posted by Solstice on February 21, 2012, at 21:11:22
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe, posted by Lou Pilder on February 21, 2012, at 20:30:44
Lou -
How ingenious! - "Lou's Little Shoppe"
I love it. My hope for your Shoppe is that you get a satisfying amount of traffic.
My best to you.
Solstice
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 21, 2012, at 21:29:26
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe » Lou Pilder, posted by Solstice on February 21, 2012, at 21:11:22
> Lou -
>
> How ingenious! - "Lou's Little Shoppe"
>
> I love it. My hope for your Shoppe is that you get a satisfying amount of traffic.
>
> My best to you.
>
> Solstice
>
> Solstice,
The zoning commisioner has prohibitions here.
Lou
Posted by sigismund on February 21, 2012, at 21:52:10
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe » sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on February 21, 2012, at 21:00:45
>Whatcha got a cookin'?
Lamb and lentils, an Indian dish, and it is finished. Lots of cinnamon, cardamom, turmeric and other good chemicals.
What I think we need is a better herbal medicine. That is what I needed when I was a kid. Something benign to help with my terrible nervousness and fearfulness. And something like martial arts. My kids do that sort of thing. And a young relative is currently living under this place
ww.google.com.au/imgres?q=tigers+nest+bhutan&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=499&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=G_koysW5JeLSaM:&imgrefurl=http://www.gonomad.com/destinations/0805/bhutan-tigers-nest.html&docid=bQZ_y61
which is a good place to be when you are 22.
Posted by sigismund on February 21, 2012, at 21:54:13
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe » Lou Pilder, posted by sigismund on February 21, 2012, at 21:52:10
Let me correct that link. Try this and look around.
ww.google.com.au/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=499&q=tigers+nest+bhutan&gbv=2&oq=tigers+nest&aq=1&aqi=g2g-s2g-m1g-sS5&aql=&gs_sm=1&gs_upl=1480l3842l0l6173l11l10l0l0l0l0l577l1957l3-4.0.1l5l0
Posted by sigismund on February 21, 2012, at 21:55:02
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe, posted by sigismund on February 21, 2012, at 21:54:13
F*ck*ng hell
Posted by sleepygirl2 on February 21, 2012, at 21:58:21
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe, posted by Lou Pilder on February 21, 2012, at 20:30:44
Hi Lou,
Nice to see your shoppe.
I haven't much to say about life ruining, but hello. :-)
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 21, 2012, at 22:15:35
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe » Lou Pilder, posted by sleepygirl2 on February 21, 2012, at 21:58:21
> Hi Lou,
> Nice to see your shoppe.
> I haven't much to say about life ruining, but hello. :-)
>Well, maybe you could stop in and we could talk about the art and archeology of the Near East and Mesopotamia.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 21, 2012, at 22:16:56
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe, posted by sigismund on February 21, 2012, at 21:55:02
Sig,
That's a nice place to live, but what if you want a Big Mack?
Lou
Posted by sigismund on February 21, 2012, at 22:36:34
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe, posted by Lou Pilder on February 21, 2012, at 22:16:56
Well, I could live without Big Macs really easily, especially if I had access to good herbs. Maybe Peru? No need for ADHD meds there. Lots of coca tea, coca chewing and long walks. I might move. Pay half the tax and get out of Australia. Win/win situation.
After the first beer of the day (after 3pm, I am proud to say) this arrived in the mail
http://www.planetaryherbals.com/products/GP1535/
I took a double dose. Alcohol interferes with what is left of my sleep. It might work.
Posted by sigismund on February 21, 2012, at 22:41:02
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe, posted by sigismund on February 21, 2012, at 22:36:34
>Based on a 350-year old Chinese herbal formula for "drunkenness"
I like that.
Posted by SLS on February 22, 2012, at 4:58:22
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe » sleepygirl2, posted by Lou Pilder on February 21, 2012, at 22:15:35
> Well, maybe you could stop in and we could talk about the art and archeology of the Near East and Mesopotamia.
> Lou
I would like to learn about that stuff, too.I probably won't make a habit out of changing the subject line along your threads so as to include my name. I just wanted to see how it looked.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on February 22, 2012, at 6:36:01
In reply to Scott's response » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on February 22, 2012, at 4:58:22
Here is a publication posted by the National Institutes of Health (NIH). It deals with the usage of antidepressants in children and adolescents.
I feel that it is best to avoid the use of antidepressants in children whenever possible. I don't like the idea of exposing a rapidly-developing brain to antidepressants. These drugs are not as efficacious as they are in adults,and they may produce suicidal thinking at a higher rate when compared to that seen in adult depression. However, if other modalities of therapy have been exhausted, or the depression is severe enough, antidepressants will prevent more suicides than they will precipitate.
I think doctors ought to monitor patients very closely early in antidepressant treatment so as to screen for suicidal thinking due to:
1. A worsening of depression.
2. An improvement of depression.#2 would seem counterintuitive at first glance. This phenomenon is well-known and has been labeled roll back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidepressant
Of course, I left in the requests for citations and the comment "weasel words".
"Patients with depression are at greatest risk for suicide immediately after treatment has begun, as antidepressants can reduce the symptoms of depression such as psychomotor retardation or lack of motivation before mood starts to improve.[citation needed] Although this appears paradoxical, studies [which?] indicate that suicidal ideation is a relatively common [weasel words] at the start of antidepressant therapy, and it may be especially common in younger patients such as pre-adolescents and teenagers. Manufacturers and physicians often recommend that other family members and loved ones monitor the young patient's behavior for any signs of suicidal ideation or behaviors, especially in the first eight weeks of therapy."
- Scott
Posted by SLS on February 22, 2012, at 6:38:24
In reply to Re: Scott's response » SLS, posted by SLS on February 22, 2012, at 6:36:01
> Here is a publication posted by the National Institutes of Health (NIH). It deals with the usage of antidepressants in children and adolescents.
>
> http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/child-and-adolescent-mental-health/antidepressant-medications-for-children-and-adolescents-information-for-parents-and-caregivers.shtml
>
> I feel that it is best to avoid the use of antidepressants in children whenever possible. I don't like the idea of exposing a rapidly-developing brain to antidepressants. These drugs are not as efficacious as they are in adults,and they may produce suicidal thinking at a higher rate when compared to that seen in adult depression. However, if other modalities of therapy have been exhausted, or the depression is severe enough, antidepressants will prevent more suicides than they will precipitate.
>
> I think doctors ought to monitor patients very closely early in antidepressant treatment so as to screen for suicidal thinking due to:
>
> 1. A worsening of depression.
> 2. An improvement of depression.
>
> #2 would seem counterintuitive at first glance. This phenomenon is well-known and has been labeled roll back.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidepressant
>
> Of course, I left in the requests for citations and the comment "weasel words".
>
> "Patients with depression are at greatest risk for suicide immediately after treatment has begun, as antidepressants can reduce the symptoms of depression such as psychomotor retardation or lack of motivation before mood starts to improve.[citation needed] Although this appears paradoxical, studies [which?] indicate that suicidal ideation is a relatively common [weasel words] at the start of antidepressant therapy, and it may be especially common in younger patients such as pre-adolescents and teenagers. Manufacturers and physicians often recommend that other family members and loved ones monitor the young patient's behavior for any signs of suicidal ideation or behaviors, especially in the first eight weeks of therapy."
>
>
> - Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 22, 2012, at 7:15:31
In reply to Scott's response. Above post meant for » Everyone, posted by SLS on February 22, 2012, at 6:38:24
>
> > Here is a publication posted by the National Institutes of Health (NIH). It deals with the usage of antidepressants in children and adolescents.
> >
> > http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/child-and-adolescent-mental-health/antidepressant-medications-for-children-and-adolescents-information-for-parents-and-caregivers.shtml
> >
> > I feel that it is best to avoid the use of antidepressants in children whenever possible. I don't like the idea of exposing a rapidly-developing brain to antidepressants. These drugs are not as efficacious as they are in adults,and they may produce suicidal thinking at a higher rate when compared to that seen in adult depression. However, if other modalities of therapy have been exhausted, or the depression is severe enough, antidepressants will prevent more suicides than they will precipitate.
> >
> > I think doctors ought to monitor patients very closely early in antidepressant treatment so as to screen for suicidal thinking due to:
> >
> > 1. A worsening of depression.
> > 2. An improvement of depression.
> >
> > #2 would seem counterintuitive at first glance. This phenomenon is well-known and has been labeled roll back.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidepressant
> >
> > Of course, I left in the requests for citations and the comment "weasel words".
> >
> > "Patients with depression are at greatest risk for suicide immediately after treatment has begun, as antidepressants can reduce the symptoms of depression such as psychomotor retardation or lack of motivation before mood starts to improve.[citation needed] Although this appears paradoxical, studies [which?] indicate that suicidal ideation is a relatively common [weasel words] at the start of antidepressant therapy, and it may be especially common in younger patients such as pre-adolescents and teenagers. Manufacturers and physicians often recommend that other family members and loved ones monitor the young patient's behavior for any signs of suicidal ideation or behaviors, especially in the first eight weeks of therapy."
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Friends,
If you are interested in this thread's discussion, I am requesting that you read Scott's post here and view the following video.
Lou
To view this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, antidepressant induced suicide, one mother's]
usually first
Posted by SLS on February 22, 2012, at 7:25:42
In reply to Lou's response-Thanks Scott » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 22, 2012, at 7:15:31
Hi Lou.
Thank you for starting your own thread. I look forward to your contributions.
I still welcome your participation along other threads as well.
Sincerely,
Scott
Posted by Phillipa on February 22, 2012, at 9:39:24
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe, posted by Lou Pilder on February 21, 2012, at 20:30:44
Hi Lou I love your little Shoppe also what a great idea. I feel a lot of people will visit your Shoppe. Kind of like a store or library you visit for talk and ideas Thanks for starting it. Phillipa
ps are you charging admission? Just Kidding!!!
Posted by Phillipa on February 22, 2012, at 12:06:26
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on February 22, 2012, at 9:39:24
Lou do you know or have any thoughts on slowing down a mind that is already thinking I should be moving faster but I'm not body slow mind is on the go. Thanks Phillipa
Posted by JohnLA on February 22, 2012, at 14:43:15
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe » sleepygirl2, posted by Lou Pilder on February 21, 2012, at 22:15:35
> Well, maybe you could stop in and we could talk about the art and archeology of the Near East and Mesopotamia.
> Louwell, i just wanted to stop by and show-off a little...
as a greek and a dude that taught art history for many years i'll give you this little tidbit;
mesopotamia = 'land between 2 rivers' in both ancient greek and modern greek. the ancient greeks looked to the ancient near east (and egypt) as cultured civilizations and took many of their ideas as springboards in creating 'western civ.' this isn't covered much in US curriculum.
many of the 7 wonders of the ancient world were located in these parts.
now modern greece is a whole different topic! there is a good ancient greek word to describe it's current state; katastrophia = catastrophe.
lou- i'm with you on the meds. i don't think any of us here want to take 'em. but, for some they are life saving. others, maybe not.
john
Posted by JohnLA on February 22, 2012, at 14:53:23
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe, posted by JohnLA on February 22, 2012, at 14:43:15
lou-
we had this discussion before;
what are some of the things a person with depression can do besides taking serious mind-altering drugs? there are several items i bet you could tell us.
since i feel 'a little love' in this thread of yours i ask you you to pull-up the following video and tell me what it does for your mood as compared to medication;
john
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 22, 2012, at 15:43:13
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe, posted by Phillipa on February 22, 2012, at 12:06:26
> Lou do you know or have any thoughts on slowing down a mind that is already thinking I should be moving faster but I'm not body slow mind is on the go. Thanks Phillipa
Phillipa,
In your question above, there is a way to have a quiet mind, a slower mind, a mind of peace.
Many of you already know what I have posted here concerning the mind. And if not, here is what has been revealed to me concerning the mind.
It has been revealed to me that there are two minds. We are born with a mind of flesh, a natural mind. But there is another mind. A mind of the spirit, a spiritual mind. The mind of the flesh, the carnal mind, operates in accordance with particular needs and wants. The spirital mind operates differently.
Now I have talked here about the world. While in the world, it has bbeen revealed to me that it is a life where there is tribulation and death. It has been revealed to me that the world is all that can be seen and there are people of the world, and people of the spirit. The spiritual mind can have peace, a different type of peace than the world people have. It is a peace that goes beyond understanding. It is a peace that overcomes all that is in the world and there is life and life more abundantly. This peace one can be in so that the mind can be stayed.
And many of you know about the Rider on the White Horse. And in that encounter that I had with Him, He said to me, "These things I have spoken to you, that in me you might have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 22, 2012, at 15:54:50
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe, posted by JohnLA on February 22, 2012, at 14:43:15
>
> > Well, maybe you could stop in and we could talk about the art and archeology of the Near East and Mesopotamia.
> > Lou
>
> well, i just wanted to stop by and show-off a little...
>
> as a greek and a dude that taught art history for many years i'll give you this little tidbit;
>
> mesopotamia = 'land between 2 rivers' in both ancient greek and modern greek. the ancient greeks looked to the ancient near east (and egypt) as cultured civilizations and took many of their ideas as springboards in creating 'western civ.' this isn't covered much in US curriculum.
>
> many of the 7 wonders of the ancient world were located in these parts.
>
> now modern greece is a whole different topic! there is a good ancient greek word to describe it's current state; katastrophia = catastrophe.
>
> lou- i'm with you on the meds. i don't think any of us here want to take 'em. but, for some they are life saving. others, maybe not.
>
> john
>
> John
I took a class called The History of the Art and Archeology of the Near East and Mesopotamia. It was requierd and was the greatest class that I ever had. The Minoans, Crete, Greece, Egypt and the land between the two rivers and more. It was mostly slides and films.
Another class that I took that was interesting, if anyone else here would like to talk about, was: "The anatomy and physiology of ferns and mosses". An elective.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 22, 2012, at 15:57:31
In reply to music better than meds?, posted by JohnLA on February 22, 2012, at 14:53:23
> lou-
>
> we had this discussion before;
>
> what are some of the things a person with depression can do besides taking serious mind-altering drugs? there are several items i bet you could tell us.
>
> since i feel 'a little love' in this thread of yours i ask you you to pull-up the following video and tell me what it does for your mood as compared to medication;
>
> http://youtu.be/k1odvp-_bhk
>
> johnjohn,
Jackie Wilson preceded many of the icons in RocknRo...I do not think that he has received the recognition that he deserves. Thanks for the vid...brought back memories..
Lou
Posted by sigismund on February 22, 2012, at 16:40:44
In reply to music better than meds?, posted by JohnLA on February 22, 2012, at 14:53:23
A lot of people cope with depression by listening to music.
I have been doing it all my life. Classical, Leonard Cohen....too many to mention.
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