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Posted by Phillipa on October 15, 2011, at 12:26:49
Why is everything harmful for a person. Seems now the latest and on the news, radio, different internet groups vitamins are a factor in early death for females and Vita E can cause prostate and other problems in males. Is this a vitamin vs pharmacology fight or true. Talk about confusing. Like running was good then bad now good again? Anyone have thoughts? Thanks Phillipa
Posted by gadchik on October 15, 2011, at 12:34:04
In reply to Now Vitamins Add To List of Things Harmful Women a, posted by Phillipa on October 15, 2011, at 12:26:49
Ive decided to quit vitamins, I will take fish oil though. And of course my zoloft and klonopin.
Posted by sigismund on October 15, 2011, at 14:14:12
In reply to Now Vitamins Add To List of Things Harmful Women a, posted by Phillipa on October 15, 2011, at 12:26:49
It's just power mongering and demarcation control.
Too silly for words.
The biochem is reasonably well understood.
Posted by linkadge on October 15, 2011, at 15:13:33
In reply to Re: Now Vitamins Add To List of Things Harmful Women a, posted by sigismund on October 15, 2011, at 14:14:12
Its not fear mongering. There have been a number of previous studies showing that certain supplements can have adverse health effects. The study in question pointed especially to certain minerals like iron, which can acumulate and have detrimental pro-oxidant effects.
Folic acid supplementation has been linked to elevated risk of certain cancers. A recent study also found a U shaped effect of vitamin D on cancer growth.
There was another folic acid heart disease study which was terminated because the treatment arm was coming down with more heart attacks.
Bottom line: get your vitamins from a healthy diet.
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on October 15, 2011, at 19:19:40
In reply to Now Vitamins Add To List of Things Harmful Women a, posted by Phillipa on October 15, 2011, at 12:26:49
I'd say stick to a supplement that mirrors the RDI (Centrum, One a Day) and avoid mega doses, and you should be fine.
Posted by linkadge on October 15, 2011, at 19:40:35
In reply to Re: Now Vitamins Add To List of Things Harmful Women a, posted by jono_in_adelaide on October 15, 2011, at 19:19:40
Many foods also fortify with certain vitamins. Whole grains, cerials, milk, eggs etc. 2 of my omega-3 eggs already have more than 100% of about 6 vitamins.
Posted by Phillipa on October 15, 2011, at 20:08:03
In reply to Re: Now Vitamins Add To List of Things Harmful Women a, posted by linkadge on October 15, 2011, at 19:40:35
What happened to calcium-magnesium for bones, my endo tests vita D via blood. Seems the docs also uneducated. So I guess will now save a lot of money. But will continue with C as water soluable. Seems you can't win!!!! Phillipa
Posted by bleauberry on October 16, 2011, at 6:14:55
In reply to Now Vitamins Add To List of Things Harmful Women a, posted by Phillipa on October 15, 2011, at 12:26:49
> Why is everything harmful for a person. Seems now the latest and on the news, radio, different internet groups vitamins are a factor in early death for females and Vita E can cause prostate and other problems in males. Is this a vitamin vs pharmacology fight or true. Talk about confusing. Like running was good then bad now good again? Anyone have thoughts? Thanks Phillipa
That's interesting. I think maybe anything in excess has the risk of doing harm? I think extra amounts of specific supps are justified for specific disease treating purposes or symptom relieving purposes. But for people to just take stuff they don't even know if they need or not enters the realm of the unknown. Even with things as simple as vitamins.
I think the best approach is...balanced food choices weighted toward health rather than pleasure.
And I guess the topic could get even more perplexing if we take into account that, for example, Vit C in a pill can't possibly work the same way as Vit C in plant foods because the foods have dozens of synergistic compounds the pills don't have any, and in fact the manufactured chemical C might not be exactly the same, or do exactly the same, as plant manufactured C.
I sometimes wonder if manufactured isolated vitamins are different than natural food vitamins, sort of along the lines of the differences between generic and brand. Or even in the case of nardil, just changing the formula a tiny bit and using a different filler, it is still nardil, but the stuff is different than the previous nardil and doesn't work as reliably.
Hey ulcers used to be caused by stress, remember? That is until we discovered it was actually a pathogenic bacteria instead. What was once accepted as general fact in modern medicine ended up being mostly false. We've seen that a lot with FDA medicines that passed clinical trials fine, but 10 years down the road in realityville these meds were bad news and had to be pulled or put warning labels on the labels.
I think maybe all this sort of stuff can serve to remind us that what we call modern medicine is actually in its infancy and has only been in existence for a few decades. The medical world is constantly discovering mistakes and flaws in currently accepted treatments and improving on them. Most people accept whatever the science journal or the doctor says as pure fact, but I sort of disagree with that. At this time in history, there are so many topics we think we know a lot about yet we probably know only a sliver of what there is to know on that topic. And thus some risks showing up in commonly accepted practices such as taking mega vitamins.
Posted by Phillipa on October 16, 2011, at 20:11:12
In reply to Re: Now Vitamins Add To List of Things Harmful Women a, posted by bleauberry on October 16, 2011, at 6:14:55
E pylori for ulcers. Not treated with antibiotics. Major breakthrough. As for the supplements I was told by docs that calcium/magnesium and D needed for osteoporis. And when weighting the meds for it and new FDA findings on the meds used for it deaths and what not I chose the supplements been taking them for decades. Still sitting on the fence so to speak with the bioidentical hormone creams. Use less than prescribed. Phillipa
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