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Posted by floatingbridge on September 12, 2011, at 16:29:26
Would you let me know what you thought?
Posted by creepy on September 12, 2011, at 18:54:14
In reply to Prazosin: any here ever try it?, posted by floatingbridge on September 12, 2011, at 16:29:26
I take it for sleep, but honestly it does nothing for me now I think im tolerant to it. Might have to raise the dose.
It has a pretty short halflife so its good for sleep too.
Seems to calm me down when the hyperarousal is bad.
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on September 12, 2011, at 19:49:32
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it?, posted by creepy on September 12, 2011, at 18:54:14
Whats it used for in psychiatry? I thought it was a rather outdated blood pressure med?
Posted by creepy on September 12, 2011, at 20:06:07
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it?, posted by jono_in_adelaide on September 12, 2011, at 19:49:32
It gets use in PTSD for nightmares and difficulty falling asleep.
Posted by sigismund on September 12, 2011, at 20:10:05
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it?, posted by creepy on September 12, 2011, at 18:54:14
I wonder if it is any good for waking with a jolt at the 4 hour mark?
Posted by floatingbridge on September 12, 2011, at 20:44:46
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it?, posted by creepy on September 12, 2011, at 20:06:07
> It gets use in PTSD for nightmares and difficulty falling asleep.
Creepy, thanks. After awhile I read something and can start to feel like I must have made it up.
It works/worked to get you to sleep and sustain it?
What are the sides like?
Posted by creepy on September 12, 2011, at 21:52:18
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » creepy, posted by floatingbridge on September 12, 2011, at 20:44:46
low blood pressure usually.. you might have dizziness when you get up from lying or sitting down. Might be some other cardiac effects.
AFAIK all the NE blockers carry a risk of causing depression. not 100% sure on that.
Posted by Phillipa on September 13, 2011, at 12:49:00
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it?, posted by creepy on September 12, 2011, at 21:52:18
Didn't want to weigh in til now as yes old BP med used mostly in elderly or those with bad hypertension. Since the goal of BP meds is to lower BP it does that. Hence dizziness and hypotension. I think they are trying to revive it back into circulation by now trying it in combat PTSD to prevent adrenaline rush but isn't know yet. Now one I'd try. Too many dangerous cardiac side effects. Phillipa
Posted by creepy on September 13, 2011, at 21:58:24
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it?, posted by Phillipa on September 13, 2011, at 12:49:00
There are other ways of stopping that exaggerated adrenal response in PTSD. Topamax worked pretty good for that, for me anyhow.
A PRN antipsychotic might be another way.
Posted by floatingbridge on September 15, 2011, at 1:16:04
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it?, posted by creepy on September 13, 2011, at 21:58:24
> There are other ways of stopping that exaggerated adrenal response in PTSD. Topamax worked pretty good for that, for me anyhow.
> A PRN antipsychotic might be another way.Thanks for the input, creepy. Tonight I start a little gabapentinine (sp?)
Hopefully it will have some effects on pain, anxiety, and sleep.
Thanks, too for the topamax feedback.
Posted by Phillipa on September 15, 2011, at 19:54:19
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » creepy, posted by floatingbridge on September 15, 2011, at 1:16:04
FB how did it go? Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on September 15, 2011, at 23:49:31
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » floatingbridge, posted by Phillipa on September 15, 2011, at 19:54:19
First night was good. I had to be woken up at 7:00 a.m. That hasn't happened for over a year at least.
It took a while to get to sleep, but I did cut back on the tenazepam and skipped the ambien. Felt odd in the morning, like strange but not terrible, and it very quickly receded.
Here's to tonight....
Posted by Phillipa on September 16, 2011, at 18:42:43
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on September 15, 2011, at 23:49:31
FB sleep last night well? Hoping. Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on September 16, 2011, at 22:14:12
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » floatingbridge, posted by Phillipa on September 16, 2011, at 18:42:43
Yes!
Posted by sigismund on September 17, 2011, at 2:36:59
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on September 16, 2011, at 22:14:12
See? gabapentin is useful.
Silly, but better perhaps than benzos.
And you slept in till when? 7.00? 7.30?
Last night my wife and I went to bed at 7pm. It may have been the gluten she ate or some existential thing. 300mg gabapentin for me. I woke at 1am (blessed long deep sleep), took some TCM herbs and dozed until 4am.
Interestingly, after I first wake, there is no more deep sleep. Why is that?
Posted by Phillipa on September 17, 2011, at 19:46:16
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » floatingbridge, posted by sigismund on September 17, 2011, at 2:36:59
Sigi same here as waken to take synthroid and even 2.5 of valium but not the same nightmares???? PJ
Posted by floatingbridge on September 17, 2011, at 23:08:01
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » floatingbridge, posted by sigismund on September 17, 2011, at 2:36:59
> See? gabapentin is useful.
>
> Silly, but better perhaps than benzos.
>
> And you slept in till when? 7.00? 7.30?
>
> Last night my wife and I went to bed at 7pm. It may have been the gluten she ate or some existential thing. 300mg gabapentin for me. I woke at 1am (blessed long deep sleep), took some TCM herbs and dozed until 4am.
>
> Interestingly, after I first wake, there is no more deep sleep. Why is that?That is a nice long sleep. If you have a TCM person, have you asked about the 24 hour clock where segments of the
day are connectd with particular organs or systems?I hadn't thought of this before. Maybe the lack of early morning deep sleep is related to the yin yang balance too much damp or fire of certain organs at those hours.
I had no luck yesterday myself. Gabapentin plus, eventually, full allotment of Tenazapam and very little sleep plus the hangover. Yuck.
Two days approaching luxurious morning sleep. Oh well.
Has your sleep improved slightly? Seems you are extending you sleep time a little.
Posted by sigismund on September 18, 2011, at 2:24:21
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » sigismund, posted by floatingbridge on September 17, 2011, at 23:08:01
>Has your sleep improved slightly? Seems you are extending you sleep time a little.
Last night was no good. I had a couple of whiskies. Maybe that was it? Or the pomegranate ? (Don't laugh) Too much Asztanxthin (sp!!) does it for sure. There are lots of psychoactive chemicals in foods, like curcumin, as you have found. Not to mention tea, which, understandably, I need a fair bit of in the mornings.
That's a good line for a doctor....These foods are too dangerous and long acting......I need something short acting like amphetamine, so I can move during the day and sleep at nights.
Yeah, I don't know. Is it age? Maybe it is?
When my mother was depressed she swore she never slept. I guess she meant properly. In all the time she was under treatment no one ever offered her temazepam. When I did she thanked me (best sleep I've had in months). What people did was to say that she *thought* she didn't sleep, but actually she did. Brilliant.
So what's it with you? Too many blueberries (am I kidding? maybe not), Emsam of course.
You get a good memory in this business, trying to keep track of what causes what.
Posted by floatingbridge on September 18, 2011, at 9:12:53
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » floatingbridge, posted by sigismund on September 18, 2011, at 2:24:21
Your poor mum. People think I sleep because I need to lie down often. So they assume I'm napping, which usually I cannot.
The other night, I tried to figure out. Because I take my patch off a few hours before sleep time now. Was it because I started that joint supplement with the black yea concentrate at half dose?
Last night was fine. Again. Not childhood sleep mind you,
but good enough. The gabapentin worked fine, even though I had even stayed out, fogetting to remove the patch plus eating chocolate sorbet full of cocoa. Tenazepam was minimal, so right now I don't feel like someone had slipped me a mickey. (Sorry, too many American Fourties films)Yes the Dexedrine had me sleeping like clockwork. But before sleep, there was the awful crash time dysphoria.
The ancinent Greeks knew about age. It was to be respected and ridiculed.
Posted by sigismund on September 18, 2011, at 16:57:58
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » sigismund, posted by floatingbridge on September 18, 2011, at 9:12:53
>Was it because I started that joint supplement with the black yea concentrate at half dose?
You are taking it with the first food of the day, hey?
Last night I woke as usual after 4 hours sleep at 12.30am. Couldn't blame alcohol as only had 2 beers (drinks) throughout the day. I took the herbs and within 30 minutes decided to take a gabapentin. This helped me stay put and two thirds lightly asleep until 4am. I don't know what it is, this buzzy feeling, but it is very real. I wouldn't take clonidine for it though.
Posted by Phillipa on September 18, 2011, at 19:45:11
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » floatingbridge, posted by sigismund on September 18, 2011, at 16:57:58
Careful with those herbs. Please? PJ
Posted by floatingbridge on September 18, 2011, at 20:39:48
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » sigismund, posted by Phillipa on September 18, 2011, at 19:45:11
Phillipa, only herb is a black tea extract (why, I do not know) in a supplement for joints. MSM, chondrotin, a few things like that. Besides the 5-loxin, that's the herbal extent. Thanks for watching out for me.
I have resumed walking a bit, and my right knee hurts! I have very nice walking shoes that back in the old days of a year ago, would have been Cadillacs. So joint health is a must as if the back issues weren't enough.
And I take the supplement in the a.m. with my cup of tea. Cheers to my English grandmother.
Posted by Phillipa on September 18, 2011, at 23:26:18
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on September 18, 2011, at 20:39:48
My paternal Grandparents from England also so that is why I drink tea? Oh know the feeling of joint aches. Lets go back 20 years in time and enjoy feeling great!!! Phillipa
Posted by floatingbridge on September 18, 2011, at 23:39:41
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » floatingbridge, posted by sigismund on September 18, 2011, at 16:57:58
> >Was it because I started that joint supplement with the black yea concentrate at half dose?
>
> You are taking it with the first food of the day, hey?
>
> Last night I woke as usual after 4 hours sleep at 12.30am. Couldn't blame alcohol as only had 2 beers (drinks) throughout the day. I took the herbs and within 30 minutes decided to take a gabapentin. This helped me stay put and two thirds lightly asleep until 4am. I don't know what it is, this
buzzy feeling, but it is very real. I wouldn't take clonidine for it though.Seriously, sigi, I would ask my TCM person next time you get herbs (I am assuming here you get them through a practitioner).
The prazosin caught my attention because it is used w/ some success for invasive nightmares often associated w/PTSD, and this summer, even this entire spring, I had them. The nightmares have receded, thankfully. The sh*tty sleep not quite.
But, no I would not reccommend it for you. Or even myself, now. But when I was getting maybe 2-3 hours of light sleep for weeks and disintegrating again, I revisited it as a benzo or AP alternative.
Posted by sigismund on September 19, 2011, at 4:16:13
In reply to Re: Prazosin: any here ever try it? » sigismund, posted by Phillipa on September 18, 2011, at 19:45:11
You can go wrong with the herbs.
But if you do it will likely be less serious.
It is always so hard to be sure.
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