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Posted by NKP on September 4, 2011, at 17:27:26
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse? » Michaelho, posted by hyperfocus on September 4, 2011, at 17:14:55
I recall that one of our posters said that long-term use of SSRIs causes the dopamine pump to double as a serotonin pump in order to remove some of the surplus serotonin floating around the synapse and that this reduces dopamine transmission.
Is this wrong?
Posted by 10derheart on September 4, 2011, at 19:43:31
In reply to Re: Lou's request-huzwrite? » Lou Pilder, posted by larryhoover on September 4, 2011, at 17:03:15
..>>dihydrogen monoxide.
:-) Big grin. Yes. Benign, essential and potentially terrifying - all at once, in a way.
So very glad to see you here, Lar. Your voice is missed. Great posts and they are making me try to brush up on my biology and chemistry which I do like a lot but struggle with retaining.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 19:51:43
In reply to Lou's request-huzwrite?, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:46:23
> > > > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> > > >
> > > > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> > > >
> > > > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> > > >
> > > > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> > > >
> > > > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> > > >
> > > > Lar
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > > Lou
> > > To view this video:
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> > > You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > Lou
> > To read this article:
> > A. Bring up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in thi thread, I am requesting that yoou read the following.
> To read thiss;
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [Fluoride and Anti-Depressants]
> This is by Dr DeAnne MillerFriends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
Lou
To read this articl;
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
The article is by Dr Russell Blaylock
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 21:14:10
In reply to Lou's request- Dr Blayloc, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 19:51:43
> > > > > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> > > > >
> > > > > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lar
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > > > Lou
> > > > To view this video:
> > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > B. Type in:
> > > > [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> > > > You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > > Lou
> > > To read this article:
> > > A. Bring up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in thi thread, I am requesting that yoou read the following.
> > To read thiss;
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [Fluoride and Anti-Depressants]
> > This is by Dr DeAnne Miller
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> Lou
> To read this articl;
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
> The article is by Dr Russell BlaylockFriends,
If you are considering trying to understand why I am here trying to save lives and to prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition, I am requesting that you view the following video.
Lou
To see this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube,Dr Russell Blayloc: Fluoride's Deadly Secret 1/5]
Then you could see 2-5 parts on your own. Be advised that the aspect of that Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now (redacted by respondent) could (redacted by respondent) in relation to my requests to them on the admin board.
Posted by larryhoover on September 5, 2011, at 4:02:24
In reply to Lou's request- Dr Blayloc, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 19:51:43
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> Lou
> To read this articl;
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
> The article is by Dr Russell BlaylockNew studies have shown that the fluoride from these medications linger in the brain for long periods and can affect not only memory, learning and thinking, but also trigger violent behavior in a small segment of the population.I've included quotes from the article, and commented beneath each one.
"New studies have shown that the fluoride from these medications linger in the brain for long periods and can affect not only memory, learning and thinking, but also trigger violent behavior in a small segment of the population."
Leaving aside the fact that fluoride is not released from these molecules in the first place, I searched Pubmed using a variety of terms, and found no such "new studies", nor any old ones either.
"The difference with other fluorinated medications is that these anti-depressants are taken for years not weeks, as with an antibiotic. Indeed, recent studies have shown that the fluorinated antidepressant medications remain in the brain for prolonged periods after discontinuing the medication, more so with fluoxetine (Prozac) than Paxil."
Once again, I used a variety of search terms, and found no evidence to support this claim either.
Lou, people say whatever they want on the internet. This is no better than anecdote, no matter who wrote it. I could, but choose not to, discuss the various logical fallacies embedded in the type of reports you provide here. They are convincing only to those who already hold the underlying beliefs presented. I don't have time for the videos just now, as I am in Edinburgh and it's time to head out with my sons.
Lar
Posted by Michaelho on September 5, 2011, at 4:41:24
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
Do the sexual side effects still occur during and after taking trycyclic meds. Is there a comparable effect to post ssri sexual dsyfunction?
Posted by Michaelho on September 5, 2011, at 7:07:36
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
Antidepressants lower dopamine which is important for learning. Doesn't this mean antidepressants blunt the brain?
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 11:28:35
In reply to Lou's request- Dr Blayloc-getingtudhakrux, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 21:14:10
> > > > > > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lar
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > To view this video:
> > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> > > > > You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > > > Lou
> > > > To read this article:
> > > > A. Bring up Google
> > > > B. Type in:
> > > > [Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in thi thread, I am requesting that yoou read the following.
> > > To read thiss;
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [Fluoride and Anti-Depressants]
> > > This is by Dr DeAnne Miller
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > Lou
> > To read this articl;
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
> > The article is by Dr Russell Blaylock
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering trying to understand why I am here trying to save lives and to prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> Lou
> To see this video:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube,Dr Russell Blayloc: Fluoride's Deadly Secret 1/5]
> Then you could see 2-5 parts on your own. Be advised that the aspect of that Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now (redacted by respondent) could (redacted by respondent) in relation to my requests to them on the admin board.Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following article from pubmed in this link.
Lou
http://www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov/pubmed/8369643
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 11:39:42
In reply to Lou's request- akumulehytsinbrayn, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 11:28:35
> > > > > > > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lar
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > To view this video:
> > > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> > > > > > You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > To read this article:
> > > > > A. Bring up Google
> > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > [Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > If you are considering being a discussant in thi thread, I am requesting that yoou read the following.
> > > > To read thiss;
> > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > B. Type in:
> > > > [Fluoride and Anti-Depressants]
> > > > This is by Dr DeAnne Miller
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > > Lou
> > > To read this articl;
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
> > > The article is by Dr Russell Blaylock
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering trying to understand why I am here trying to save lives and to prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > Lou
> > To see this video:
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube,Dr Russell Blayloc: Fluoride's Deadly Secret 1/5]
> > Then you could see 2-5 parts on your own. Be advised that the aspect of that Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now (redacted by respondent) could (redacted by respondent) in relation to my requests to them on the admin board.
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following article from pubmed in this link.
> Lou
> http://www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov/pubmed/8369643correction;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8369643
Posted by Michaelho on September 5, 2011, at 16:54:29
In reply to correction:: Lou's request- akumulehytsinbrayn, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 11:39:42
Does anyone have an answer for both of my questions? Thanks
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 19:51:57
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's request- akumulehytsinbrayn, posted by Michaelho on September 5, 2011, at 16:54:29
> Does anyone have an answer for both of my questions? Thanks
Mich,
You wrote,[...does anyone...?].
I do have answers for you and I want you to know that I am here to save lives and prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition. I will continue...
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 20:27:30
In reply to Lou's reply-bhzeigh » Michaelho, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 19:51:57
> > Does anyone have an answer for both of my questions? Thanks
>
> Mich,
> You wrote,[...does anyone...?].
> I do have answers for you and I want you to know that I am here to save lives and prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition. I will continue...
> LouMich,
I see your two questionss. I would like to start by viewing the following video.
Lou. To see this:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in;
[youtube, Psychotropic drugs; The hidden Dangers]
This is by Dr Gary Kohls
Posted by Lepus on September 5, 2011, at 22:11:29
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
> I have been prescribed a Trycyclic called elavil. I read a post on here in 2009, stating that antidepressants lower dopamine function permanently. Is this still the common opinion?
>
> Why have I been given a trycyclic AD for anxiety and not an ssri? Don't TCA's cause more side effects?I don't know the mechanism of action but TCAs are often more effective at treating anxiety than SSRIs. They can cause more side effects. It depends on the person. I was on Tofranil for years (over a decade actually) with no side effects. I don't show any signs of permanent effects on dopamine function.
Just some anecdotal evidence, and hopefully a bump to get this thread back on track and answered by someone more knowledgeable than I.
Posted by Michaelho on September 6, 2011, at 6:41:24
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
"Do the sexual side effects still occur after taking trycyclic meds. Is there a comparable effect to post ssri sexual dsyfunction?
Antidepressants lower dopamine which is important for learning, amongst other things. Doesn't this mean antidepressants blunt the brain?"
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 6, 2011, at 11:12:16
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 6, 2011, at 6:41:24
> "Do the sexual side effects still occur after taking trycyclic meds. Is there a comparable effect to post ssri sexual dsyfunction?
>
> Antidepressants lower dopamine which is important for learning, amongst other things. Doesn't this mean antidepressants blunt the brain?"
>
> Mich,
In looking at your requests above, I do have answers for you. But it is much more for me to lead you to facts that could save your life or prevent you from getting a life-ruining condition.
It is a well-established fact that both of the type of drugs have the potential to cause sexual disfunction. One can search the drugs through the PDR or other books and see. And there are cases of permanent consequences in reports from others. But if one continues in their life taking mind-altered drugs, that is another aspect of this. One can search about permenent brain damage from psychotropic drugs and loss of feelings and such that could go to the {blunting} aspect of consequences from taking these drugs. There are plenty of resorces available to see that the blunting can happen as you request to know.
I could post videos from famous psychiatrists such as Peter Breggin and others that tell about the effects in store to those that take psychotropic drugs be them to be the SSRIs or the tricyclics or others. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. Are you looking for a chemical cure for your condition?
B. Are you aware that these drugs (redacted by respondent) and at worse kill you ?
C. Do you know that about 42,000 people last year died from psychotropic drugs?
D. Are you aware that these drugs could induce a mind-altered state in the one taking tthe drug to compel them to want to kill themselves and/or others?
E. redacted by respondent
Lou
>
>
Posted by larryhoover on September 6, 2011, at 13:14:21
In reply to Re: Lou's request- Dr Blayloc » Lou Pilder, posted by larryhoover on September 5, 2011, at 4:02:24
> I've included quotes from the article, and commented beneath each one.
>
> "New studies have shown that the fluoride from these medications linger in the brain for long periods and can affect not only memory, learning and thinking, but also trigger violent behavior in a small segment of the population."
>
> Leaving aside the fact that fluoride is not released from these molecules in the first place, I searched Pubmed using a variety of terms, and found no such "new studies", nor any old ones either.Lou, I watched the whole hour-long+ video, and there was no support provided for the allegations made. In fact, there was no mention whatsoever of fluorinated medications. In fact, over 80% of the interview (my estimate) dealt with the supposed adverse effects of vaccination, which I would argue is the single most important medical advance in history.
> "The difference with other fluorinated medications is that these anti-depressants are taken for years not weeks, as with an antibiotic. Indeed, recent studies have shown that the fluorinated antidepressant medications remain in the brain for prolonged periods after discontinuing the medication, more so with fluoxetine (Prozac) than Paxil."
>
> Once again, I used a variety of search terms, and found no evidence to support this claim either.
>
> Lou, people say whatever they want on the internet. This is no better than anecdote, no matter who wrote it. I could, but choose not to, discuss the various logical fallacies embedded in the type of reports you provide here. They are convincing only to those who already hold the underlying beliefs presented. I don't have time for the videos just now, as I am in Edinburgh and it's time to head out with my sons.Lou, this man is a very skilled orator, but he fails absolutely in the development of rational arguments. I don't have time to detail the numerous examples of his sophistic arguments, but whenever it came time to lay our his evidence, he reached for generalizations from "science" not explicitly described. However, when he wished to describe philosophical perspectives and conspiracy theories, he had ample references. I reiterate, he assumes that his audience believes the basic philosophical elements of his own hypotheses, yet fails to demonstrate any evidence to persuade a skeptic of his perceptions.
A search of Pubmed on one of his frequently used terms, immunoexcitotoxin, pulled up three papers only, all co-authored by this man. Clearly, he is not speaking from anywhere but the fringe of science.
He may be a doctor, but he is nonetheless a fool.
Lar
Posted by larryhoover on September 6, 2011, at 13:22:57
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 6, 2011, at 6:41:24
> "Do the sexual side effects still occur after taking trycyclic meds. Is there a comparable effect to post ssri sexual dsyfunction?
>
> Antidepressants lower dopamine which is important for learning, amongst other things. Doesn't this mean antidepressants blunt the brain?"There is no evidence whatsoever that antidepressants "lower dopamine". Some patients experience a cognitive blunting, but it is impossible to know why some experience it, and others do not. When one considers the vast number of treated individuals (100's of millions, I should think), adverse effects must be in the minority of users. The same goes for sexual side effects. They can happen, but there is no way to know if they will, in your case. If you aren't willing to risk the side effects, I suggest you seek therapies that do not present those specific risks.
For example, Paxil caused sexual dysfunction in my own case, so I refused to continue on it, as my sexuality is very important to me. Paxil is also used to treat sexual dysfunction, so it is by no means a clear decision point.
Lar
Posted by Michaelho on September 6, 2011, at 14:45:05
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by larryhoover on September 6, 2011, at 13:22:57
Thanks larry. That has put me at ease.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 6, 2011, at 20:28:53
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 6, 2011, at 6:41:24
> "Do the sexual side effects still occur after taking trycyclic meds. Is there a comparable effect to post ssri sexual dsyfunction?
>
> Antidepressants lower dopamine which is important for learning, amongst other things. Doesn't this mean antidepressants blunt the brain?"
>
> Mich,
You wrote,[...ADs lower dopamine...?].
Here is a link to establish that your thinking could be correct. In the link, the author, Lawrence Weathers, Ph. D., states such.
If you are interested in the tricyclics that others claim to lower dopamine, feel free to ask and I will post those.
Lou
http://www.adhdtreatment.org/ssri-antidepressant-drugs-treatment-of-adhd.html
>
>
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 7, 2011, at 16:14:53
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 6, 2011, at 14:45:05
Mich,
Mr. Hoover has posted to you a good point in that if you do not want to be a victim of a particular adverse consequence that a drug could induce, that you could just not take that drug.
I think that is good advice. So here is a link to a site that reveals what the drug in question has in their potential consequences to the user.
Lou
http://www.cchrint.org/psychdrugdangers/
Posted by Lepus on September 7, 2011, at 21:35:43
In reply to Lou's response-eyelyktunhothngs » Michaelho, posted by Lou Pilder on September 7, 2011, at 16:14:53
Are you a Scientologist, Lou?
Posted by poser938 on September 8, 2011, at 5:33:35
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse? (nm), posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 13:52:18
well, all I know Lou, is that the meds the doctors have given me ever since i was so naive to take them in 2005 have each played a part in ruining my life. I used to be normal and have my full range of emotions that normal human beings have. i used to be able to feel lover and be able to love. music was everything to me. i loved to exercise and was clean freak.. keep the house spotless and i loved to socialize. my 1st meds were adderall and cymbalta... those 2 meds effed me up BIG TIME. they had permanent effects on me. and from then on, i've had to try many other meds to try and undo those side effects, only to land myself deeper in a hole to where i cant function at all like the person i used to be. my whole entire life has been taken away from me, along with tardive dyskinesia in the muscles in my face from effexor. and hair loss too. permanent effects. and the psychiatrists i've been to, along with their nurses tell me "I dont believe you" when i tell them what these meds did to me. and after all my research, im not sure if it would matter if they did believe me.. because cant exactly find a med that will fix me. I've talked to lawyers for legal help, and they tell me there's no solid proff these meds did this to me. so the big drug companies win. they bathe in their billions of dollars while i lay in bed all day, everyday in severe emotional and physical pain because of what their meds did to me.....
Posted by poser938 on September 8, 2011, at 5:53:10
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by poser938 on September 8, 2011, at 5:33:35
yes, the public is being fooled about these meds. it is believed by many that these meds "fix chemical imbalances"... that is far from the truth. they just cover up a problem just like alchohol can cover up social anxiety. I was once fooled too, and only became aware of the BS these drug companies push on the unsuspecting public after it was too late. i could go on and on... but if i end up in hell, because these meds have caused me to lose much of my faith in God, i do expect to see many of the people that run these drug companies there with me.
Posted by poser938 on September 8, 2011, at 6:09:17
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by poser938 on September 8, 2011, at 5:53:10
I am proof in what Lou is saying. but the truth really is covered up.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 8, 2011, at 15:38:04
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by poser938 on September 8, 2011, at 6:09:17
> I am proof in what Lou is saying. but the truth really is covered up.
poser938,
You wrote,[...proof...the truth...].
Here is a link to a site that catalogs what has happened to those that have taken psychotropic drugs an killed themselves and/or others or commited other crimes and such.
Lou
http://ssristories.com/index.php
PS...if you click on the red (date) at the top, the incidents will be ranked from the most recent. There could be one today...
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