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Posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
I have been prescribed a Trycyclic called elavil. I read a post on here in 2009, stating that antidepressants lower dopamine function permanently. Is this still the common opinion?
Why have I been given a trycyclic AD for anxiety and not an ssri? Don't TCA's cause more side effects?
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 8:00:16
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
> I have been prescribed a Trycyclic called elavil. I read a post on here in 2009, stating that antidepressants lower dopamine function permanently. Is this still the common opinion?
>
> Why have I been given a trycyclic AD for anxiety and not an ssri? Don't TCA's cause more side effects?Michaelho,
You wrote,[...antidepressants...why have I been given...?]
There is a continual body of knowledge available to the public concerning what these drugs can do to a person's nervous system and thearfore have the potential to ruin their lives, or kill them. One could have their mind alterd to want to kill themselves and there is great body of cases where the person taking psychotropic drugs killed others.
Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride. Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes. Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site. But I say that if I was not prohibited by the admin of this site to post educational material that is prohibited by the admin, that by you reading such there could be the opportunity for you and others to make a more informed decision as to take these drugs or not, which then IMHO could save lives and prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition from these drugs.
You question, and I agree, that one could question these drugs and see what they could do to you. I can not know what is in the mind of the one that prescribed this drug to you as to why they did so. You could ask your doctor. If you do have a conversation with your doctor, could you ask him/her the following?
A. If I get tardive dyskinesia will you pay me for the rest of my life what my salery could be because I would not be able to work?
B. Will you pay me to undergo withdrawal treatment if I get addicted to this drug, including lost wages, clinic costs and pain and suffereing due to the withdrawal effects if they happen?
C. Will you pay my survivors a death benefit if the drug caauses my death?
D. If I get a life-ruining condition, such as neuroleptic malignant syndrom or tardive dyskinesia, or diabetes or parkinson-like syndrome, or liver failure from this drug, or other conditions, will you accept a 20-year prison sentence for prescribing me a drug that is known to do such, and you knew it could do such?
E. Would you be willing to find out if there is another option to taking psychotropic drugs in relation to finding the underlying cause and treatment of my condition?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 9:42:59
In reply to Lou's response-azurdhoktoar » Michaelho, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 8:00:16
> > I have been prescribed a Trycyclic called elavil. I read a post on here in 2009, stating that antidepressants lower dopamine function permanently. Is this still the common opinion?
> >
> > Why have I been given a trycyclic AD for anxiety and not an ssri? Don't TCA's cause more side effects?
>
> Michaelho,
> You wrote,[...antidepressants...why have I been given...?]
> There is a continual body of knowledge available to the public concerning what these drugs can do to a person's nervous system and thearfore have the potential to ruin their lives, or kill them. One could have their mind alterd to want to kill themselves and there is great body of cases where the person taking psychotropic drugs killed others.
> Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride. Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes. Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site. But I say that if I was not prohibited by the admin of this site to post educational material that is prohibited by the admin, that by you reading such there could be the opportunity for you and others to make a more informed decision as to take these drugs or not, which then IMHO could save lives and prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition from these drugs.
> You question, and I agree, that one could question these drugs and see what they could do to you. I can not know what is in the mind of the one that prescribed this drug to you as to why they did so. You could ask your doctor. If you do have a conversation with your doctor, could you ask him/her the following?
> A. If I get tardive dyskinesia will you pay me for the rest of my life what my salery could be because I would not be able to work?
> B. Will you pay me to undergo withdrawal treatment if I get addicted to this drug, including lost wages, clinic costs and pain and suffereing due to the withdrawal effects if they happen?
> C. Will you pay my survivors a death benefit if the drug caauses my death?
> D. If I get a life-ruining condition, such as neuroleptic malignant syndrom or tardive dyskinesia, or diabetes or parkinson-like syndrome, or liver failure from this drug, or other conditions, will you accept a 20-year prison sentence for prescribing me a drug that is known to do such, and you knew it could do such?
> E. Would you be willing to find out if there is another option to taking psychotropic drugs in relation to finding the underlying cause and treatment of my condition?
> Lou
>
> Michaelho,
If you have ssuch a conference with your doctor, could you ask him/her to view with you the following video? If you could, then there could develop IMMHO a better understanding between you both as to the diasterous consequences that could happen to you and to innocent people. You could also know aa possiblee mechanism that te drug could have to cokpell one taking thhe drug(s) that could induce a mind-alterd state to have the taker of the drug want to kill themselves or others and even comit mass-murder.
Now if you do view thhe following video with the doctor, could you ask the doctor why he/she is prescribing a drug that could have such effectss? If he/she says that {the benefits outweigh the risks}, could you ask what the rationale could be for him/her making such a claim? And if he/she says that we need to experiment on you to see if the drug works on you, could you ask the doctor if he/she will be accountable for any injuries or death to you because he/she is experimenting on you?
Lou
To see this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Can Antidepressants Cause Violence?]
You will see a pic of a woman who is Dr Moria Dolan and the time is 10 min posted on May 8 2007
Posted by larryhoover on September 4, 2011, at 10:29:09
In reply to Lou's response-azurdhoktoar » Michaelho, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 8:00:16
> Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
Lar
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:04:36
In reply to Re: Lou's response-azurdhoktoar » Lou Pilder, posted by larryhoover on September 4, 2011, at 10:29:09
> > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
>
> Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
>
> > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
>
> That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
>
> > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
>
> I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
>
> LarFriends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
Lou
To view this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:32:01
In reply to Lou's response-phloaryhd, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:04:36
> > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> >
> > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> >
> > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> >
> > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> >
> > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> >
> > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> >
> > Lar
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> Lou
> To view this video:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
Lou
To read this article:
A. Bring up Google
B. Type in:
[Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:46:23
In reply to Lou's request-uzizofphloarydinscydrgs, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:32:01
> > > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> > >
> > > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> > >
> > > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> > >
> > > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> > >
> > > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> > >
> > > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> > >
> > > Lar
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > Lou
> > To view this video:
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> > You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> Lou
> To read this article:
> A. Bring up Google
> B. Type in:
> [Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in thi thread, I am requesting that yoou read the following.
To read thiss;
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[Fluoride and Anti-Depressants]
This is by Dr DeAnne Miller
Posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 13:52:18
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
Posted by larryhoover on September 4, 2011, at 16:49:09
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
> I have been prescribed a Trycyclic called elavil. I read a post on here in 2009, stating that antidepressants lower dopamine function permanently. Is this still the common opinion?
>
> Why have I been given a trycyclic AD for anxiety and not an ssri? Don't TCA's cause more side effects?Sorry for getting side-tracked, and not answering your question. It took me a while to look into it. I can find no evidence to support either temporary or permanent suppression of dopaminergic function. In fact, chronic antidepressant treatment seems to sensitize dopaminergic receptors.
Yes, TCAs have more side-effects in a statistical sense, but you can't apply statistics to individuals. Your practictioner likely chose this treatment for you based on your responses to his questions. Drug selection is the art within the science, and I wish you success with this treatment choice.
Lar
Posted by larryhoover on September 4, 2011, at 17:01:45
In reply to Lou's response-phloaryhd, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:04:36
Sorry, Lou, but I really cannot continue this discussion with you, as your sources have no credibility in my eyes. The "doctor" you reference is a semi-literate chiropractor. Her inability to distinguish between fluoridation and fluorination (note the subtle difference in spelling, but immense difference in meaning) leads me to dismiss her out of hand.
Your other references also fail scientific scrutiny.
I suggest you google "the dose makes the poison".
With respect to the "toxicity" of fluorinated pharmaceutical drugs, the carbon-fluorine bond is significantly stronger than the aliphatic carbon-hydrogen bond. As the latter does not dissasociate in the human body, I cannot imagine that the former is capable of doing so. The activation energy is simply far too high. Ergo, there can be no fluoride ions formed. But even if they did, they would be far too few to have toxic effects. Fluorinated molecules are remarkably stable, and are actually preferred in drug synthesis over brominated or chlorinated structures.
http://www.iptonline.com/articles/public/IPTFOUR74NP.pdf
Lar
Posted by larryhoover on September 4, 2011, at 17:03:15
In reply to Lou's request-huzwrite?, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:46:23
Lou, I request that you read the following:
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.htmlIt discusses the adverse effects of the chemical dihydrogen monoxide.
Lar
Posted by hyperfocus on September 4, 2011, at 17:14:55
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse? (nm), posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 13:52:18
A lot of psych drugs can cause apathy and anhedonia - a loss of response to normally pleasurable or gratifying things like hobbies, movies, books, social interactions etc. This is what I think people mean when they talk about 'lowering dopamine'. But it's really not that simple. It's way way way more complex than just altering one neurotransmitter. Anyway SSRIs have a reputation for doing this which can persist after ending treatment, called Post-SSRI syndrome. But not TCAs. I never really read a report here of people experiencing anhedonia on Elavil. The usual unwanted effects, apart from the yucky TCA sleepiness and dry mouth and cognitive effects etc., is agitation and anger.
How much Elavil are you taking? What's your diagnosis?
Posted by NKP on September 4, 2011, at 17:27:26
In reply to Re: Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse? » Michaelho, posted by hyperfocus on September 4, 2011, at 17:14:55
I recall that one of our posters said that long-term use of SSRIs causes the dopamine pump to double as a serotonin pump in order to remove some of the surplus serotonin floating around the synapse and that this reduces dopamine transmission.
Is this wrong?
Posted by 10derheart on September 4, 2011, at 19:43:31
In reply to Re: Lou's request-huzwrite? » Lou Pilder, posted by larryhoover on September 4, 2011, at 17:03:15
..>>dihydrogen monoxide.
:-) Big grin. Yes. Benign, essential and potentially terrifying - all at once, in a way.
So very glad to see you here, Lar. Your voice is missed. Great posts and they are making me try to brush up on my biology and chemistry which I do like a lot but struggle with retaining.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 19:51:43
In reply to Lou's request-huzwrite?, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 11:46:23
> > > > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> > > >
> > > > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> > > >
> > > > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> > > >
> > > > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> > > >
> > > > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> > > >
> > > > Lar
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > > Lou
> > > To view this video:
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> > > You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > Lou
> > To read this article:
> > A. Bring up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in thi thread, I am requesting that yoou read the following.
> To read thiss;
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [Fluoride and Anti-Depressants]
> This is by Dr DeAnne MillerFriends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
Lou
To read this articl;
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
The article is by Dr Russell Blaylock
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 21:14:10
In reply to Lou's request- Dr Blayloc, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 19:51:43
> > > > > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> > > > >
> > > > > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lar
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > > > Lou
> > > > To view this video:
> > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > B. Type in:
> > > > [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> > > > You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > > Lou
> > > To read this article:
> > > A. Bring up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in thi thread, I am requesting that yoou read the following.
> > To read thiss;
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [Fluoride and Anti-Depressants]
> > This is by Dr DeAnne Miller
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> Lou
> To read this articl;
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
> The article is by Dr Russell BlaylockFriends,
If you are considering trying to understand why I am here trying to save lives and to prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition, I am requesting that you view the following video.
Lou
To see this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube,Dr Russell Blayloc: Fluoride's Deadly Secret 1/5]
Then you could see 2-5 parts on your own. Be advised that the aspect of that Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now (redacted by respondent) could (redacted by respondent) in relation to my requests to them on the admin board.
Posted by larryhoover on September 5, 2011, at 4:02:24
In reply to Lou's request- Dr Blayloc, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 19:51:43
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> Lou
> To read this articl;
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
> The article is by Dr Russell BlaylockNew studies have shown that the fluoride from these medications linger in the brain for long periods and can affect not only memory, learning and thinking, but also trigger violent behavior in a small segment of the population.I've included quotes from the article, and commented beneath each one.
"New studies have shown that the fluoride from these medications linger in the brain for long periods and can affect not only memory, learning and thinking, but also trigger violent behavior in a small segment of the population."
Leaving aside the fact that fluoride is not released from these molecules in the first place, I searched Pubmed using a variety of terms, and found no such "new studies", nor any old ones either.
"The difference with other fluorinated medications is that these anti-depressants are taken for years not weeks, as with an antibiotic. Indeed, recent studies have shown that the fluorinated antidepressant medications remain in the brain for prolonged periods after discontinuing the medication, more so with fluoxetine (Prozac) than Paxil."
Once again, I used a variety of search terms, and found no evidence to support this claim either.
Lou, people say whatever they want on the internet. This is no better than anecdote, no matter who wrote it. I could, but choose not to, discuss the various logical fallacies embedded in the type of reports you provide here. They are convincing only to those who already hold the underlying beliefs presented. I don't have time for the videos just now, as I am in Edinburgh and it's time to head out with my sons.
Lar
Posted by Michaelho on September 5, 2011, at 4:41:24
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
Do the sexual side effects still occur during and after taking trycyclic meds. Is there a comparable effect to post ssri sexual dsyfunction?
Posted by Michaelho on September 5, 2011, at 7:07:36
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
Antidepressants lower dopamine which is important for learning. Doesn't this mean antidepressants blunt the brain?
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 11:28:35
In reply to Lou's request- Dr Blayloc-getingtudhakrux, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2011, at 21:14:10
> > > > > > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lar
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > To view this video:
> > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> > > > > You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > > > Lou
> > > > To read this article:
> > > > A. Bring up Google
> > > > B. Type in:
> > > > [Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in thi thread, I am requesting that yoou read the following.
> > > To read thiss;
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [Fluoride and Anti-Depressants]
> > > This is by Dr DeAnne Miller
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > Lou
> > To read this articl;
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
> > The article is by Dr Russell Blaylock
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering trying to understand why I am here trying to save lives and to prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> Lou
> To see this video:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube,Dr Russell Blayloc: Fluoride's Deadly Secret 1/5]
> Then you could see 2-5 parts on your own. Be advised that the aspect of that Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now (redacted by respondent) could (redacted by respondent) in relation to my requests to them on the admin board.Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following article from pubmed in this link.
Lou
http://www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov/pubmed/8369643
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 11:39:42
In reply to Lou's request- akumulehytsinbrayn, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 11:28:35
> > > > > > > > Some of these drugs are based on poisons such as fluoride.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fluoride is not a poison, nor do any psych drugs (of which I am aware) contain fluoride. The fluoride ion is distinct from the covalently bonded fluorine atom (which would appear as fluoro in the chemical formula), as occurs in e.g. Prozac (fluoxetine, or N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[4-(triFLUOROmethyl)phenoxy]propan-1-amine). There is no biological mechanism for the release of fluoride from this molecule, and even if it did, it would amount to a totally non-toxic dose. Toxicity is totally dependent on dose.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Others could have the chemical consituants used in compounds to kill parasites or vermin or have been used as insecticides or dyes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That, too, is pseudo-scientific sophistry. Organic toxins are composed of the very same atoms that make up our health-promoting biochemicals. It is the way that they are arranged (the molecular structure itself) that determines toxicity. The cyanide molecule is in every amino acid, if you want to look at it that way, but the other atoms present modify the reactivity and give the molecule different properties. Chemical properties are directly dependent on structure, but all organic molecules are built from the same basic group of atoms.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Much about the science of these drugs, whic could be {nerve agents}, I can not post here about due to the prohibitions directed to me here by the owner of this site.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm going to have to side with Dr. Bob on this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lar
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > To view this video:
> > > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > [youtube, Operation Trojan Horse 23-Fluoridde Poisons and Anti-depressant drugs]
> > > > > > You will see a pic of a woman, the time is 7 min posted on April 3 2009
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > To read this article:
> > > > > A. Bring up Google
> > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > [Dangers and Health Problems From The Drug Fluoride]
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > If you are considering being a discussant in thi thread, I am requesting that yoou read the following.
> > > > To read thiss;
> > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > B. Type in:
> > > > [Fluoride and Anti-Depressants]
> > > > This is by Dr DeAnne Miller
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following.
> > > Lou
> > > To read this articl;
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [PFPC News:: View Topic-Doctor: Dangers of Psychiatric Drugs]
> > > The article is by Dr Russell Blaylock
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering trying to understand why I am here trying to save lives and to prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > Lou
> > To see this video:
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube,Dr Russell Blayloc: Fluoride's Deadly Secret 1/5]
> > Then you could see 2-5 parts on your own. Be advised that the aspect of that Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now (redacted by respondent) could (redacted by respondent) in relation to my requests to them on the admin board.
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you read the following article from pubmed in this link.
> Lou
> http://www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov/pubmed/8369643correction;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8369643
Posted by Michaelho on September 5, 2011, at 16:54:29
In reply to correction:: Lou's request- akumulehytsinbrayn, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 11:39:42
Does anyone have an answer for both of my questions? Thanks
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 19:51:57
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's request- akumulehytsinbrayn, posted by Michaelho on September 5, 2011, at 16:54:29
> Does anyone have an answer for both of my questions? Thanks
Mich,
You wrote,[...does anyone...?].
I do have answers for you and I want you to know that I am here to save lives and prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition. I will continue...
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 20:27:30
In reply to Lou's reply-bhzeigh » Michaelho, posted by Lou Pilder on September 5, 2011, at 19:51:57
> > Does anyone have an answer for both of my questions? Thanks
>
> Mich,
> You wrote,[...does anyone...?].
> I do have answers for you and I want you to know that I am here to save lives and prevent one from getting a life-ruining condition. I will continue...
> LouMich,
I see your two questionss. I would like to start by viewing the following video.
Lou. To see this:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in;
[youtube, Psychotropic drugs; The hidden Dangers]
This is by Dr Gary Kohls
Posted by Lepus on September 5, 2011, at 22:11:29
In reply to Do antidepressants alter dopamine for the worse?, posted by Michaelho on September 4, 2011, at 6:58:16
> I have been prescribed a Trycyclic called elavil. I read a post on here in 2009, stating that antidepressants lower dopamine function permanently. Is this still the common opinion?
>
> Why have I been given a trycyclic AD for anxiety and not an ssri? Don't TCA's cause more side effects?I don't know the mechanism of action but TCAs are often more effective at treating anxiety than SSRIs. They can cause more side effects. It depends on the person. I was on Tofranil for years (over a decade actually) with no side effects. I don't show any signs of permanent effects on dopamine function.
Just some anecdotal evidence, and hopefully a bump to get this thread back on track and answered by someone more knowledgeable than I.
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