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Posted by Lamdage on June 21, 2011, at 9:59:57
In reply to Re: gr8 news » Lamdage, posted by zonked on June 21, 2011, at 7:54:20
> > Thanks for the invite! Ill shoot you a babblmail.
> > Good news, my package arrived today at my friends place, ill go pick it up now.
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> > Damn i feel ease :)
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> Good! Now be patient with yourself, it took about two weeks and a dose increase from 45 to 60 before I began to feel better, but it has taken as long as a month (for me) before and 6 weeks or longer, still, for others. :-) Babble was one of my lifelines until I started to feel better so don't be shy to post if you still feel like sh*t until then...
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> Enjoy -
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> -zIve been on it once in the states;) The brand is "Archimedes Pharma" from uk.. I can tell by the smell that theyre no sugar tabs. They smell lovely :D:D
It says store in the fridge at 2-8 celsius, this is what i just did.Cheers
Ld
Posted by Lamdage on June 21, 2011, at 11:23:14
In reply to Re: gr8 news, posted by Lamdage on June 21, 2011, at 9:59:57
Man i just read what i wrote back then... "i get alot of numbers to hang out or to do other stuff" i cant wait xD
See you in lala land!
Ld
Posted by zonked on June 21, 2011, at 14:27:24
In reply to Re: gr8 news, posted by Lamdage on June 21, 2011, at 11:23:14
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.. I can tell by the smell that theyre no sugar tabs. They smell lovely :D:D
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I always thought Nardil had a smell somewhere in between perfume and a skunk. (Anyone who's filled Nardil will know what I'm talking about.) Sounds like you got "the real deal."> Man i just read what i wrote back then... "i get alot of numbers to hang out or to do other stuff" i cant wait xD
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> See you in lala land!
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> LdLOL! Nardil is pretty amazing when it does work, congratulations! :-)
I've gained 3lbs since June 1. Oh f*ck*ng well! Better fat than dead!!!
-z
Posted by Lamdage on June 22, 2011, at 7:33:23
In reply to Re: gr8 news » Lamdage, posted by zonked on June 21, 2011, at 14:27:24
> >>
> .. I can tell by the smell that theyre no sugar tabs. They smell lovely :D:D
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> I always thought Nardil had a smell somewhere in between perfume and a skunk. (Anyone who's filled Nardil will know what I'm talking about.) Sounds like you got "the real deal."
>It is this + a hint of adhesive solvent/chemical type smell. (i dont sniffle glue, just love the smell!)
As you all know swim has a great pdoc, who enabled swim to get a fill of provigil. Is Nardil+modafinil(provigil) safe? It seems ok from what ive found on the net.
Posted by hopefullynow on June 23, 2011, at 22:21:59
In reply to Re: To Lamdage » hopefullynow, posted by zonked on June 19, 2011, at 8:40:18
Hello, fellows,
I was off internet and PC for a week by now.
It was kinda rehab, no tv, no stressful things.Now I'm back into thread and I'll try to respond to all that wrote and triede to help me ASAP.I live in Romania, Eastern Europe.
> > Unfortunately Maoi's in my country doesn't exist, like never happen.
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> Curious, where do you live? Does your government's regulatory agency allow imports from other countries?
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> The last time I went to Mexico, I made certain to stock up on Xanax. (Tafil en Espanol.)
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> :-)
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> -z
Posted by hopefullynow on June 23, 2011, at 22:39:21
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by Lamdage on June 19, 2011, at 14:07:30
Lam,
Thank you a lot for your real work finding me a supplier !I have to tell that I did a little research on my own, and spoke with a few fellow sufferers and found out that there are some older psy docs that still preach MAOI's although they aren't available.
I think that they are wise enough to know what really work when they are dealing with a real treatment resistant case.
I already have a name and i will subscribe for a consultation these days.
For sure, he will not help me to get my hands on any MAOI, but he'll advice me how to titrate, I won't do any foolish thing to take it on my own like any candy bar.
I know the risks associated with Nardil and although I'm exasperated, I will be patient and ask for qualified experience.
> At this point i want to say a few words,
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> i will not help anyone doing any grey area things and id like to advise anyone trying this to know exactly what you are doing and find a supportive doctor if there is any possibility to do so!
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> If you handle it right its a safe med, but its very potent and the drug and food interactions can be fatal if dont know what youre doing.
> I even believe to have heard something about eye drops being dangerous with Maoi. Research extensively about anything you put into or even on your body. Read labels on foods and know what ingredients are red flags.
> The nifedipines purpose is not so you can have peace of mind and be careless.
> If you take too much of a dosage or take it without having severely high blood pressure you can quite easily DIE from it. Consider wearing a medical ID bracelet for docs to know whats going on in case of emergency.
> In one word do your homework if you really feel you need to do what im doing.
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> No warranty that what ive written is complete. Im sure its not. There is alot of stuff to be aware of when taking an irreversible maoi.
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> Ok, enough preaching. sorry if i was too intense, i felt the need to do this
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Posted by hopefullynow on June 23, 2011, at 22:46:38
In reply to seriously what can i take with a short half life??, posted by Lamdage on June 20, 2011, at 14:24:11
I saw that you are already on Wellbutrin.Maybe raising it to 300 mg/day and adding Xanax?
I found alprazolam to be mildly antidepressant for a brief period of time.I'm thinking about 2-3 mg / day divided in three doses.
Wellbutrin might prevent Xanax somnolence and sluggishness.
Posted by hopefullynow on June 23, 2011, at 22:57:39
In reply to Re: gr8 news, posted by Lamdage on June 21, 2011, at 11:23:14
Did you received your package?
This is really great news !!!
I hope you'll write how's Nardil working.
You're a great guy !
Posted by Lamdage on June 25, 2011, at 2:06:16
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by hopefullynow on June 23, 2011, at 22:39:21
> I have to tell that I did a little research on my own, and spoke with a few fellow sufferers and found out that there are some older psy docs that still preach MAOI's although they aren't available.
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> I think that they are wise enough to know what really work when they are dealing with a real treatment resistant case.
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> I already have a name and i will subscribe for a consultation these days.
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> For sure, he will not help me to get my hands on any MAOI, but he'll advice me how to titrate, I won't do any foolish thing to take it on my own like any candy bar.
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> I know the risks associated with Nardil and although I'm exasperated, I will be patient and ask for qualified experience.Good, i think it has a pretty good reason that it is not so easy to get ur hands on Nardil.. Well i didnt share a suppliers name, but the message i was wanting to get across is: if you want it/need it, go get it. Its only a question of how extreme of measures youre willing to take. If it helps, get it in freaking timbuktu ;)
Its great that you may find a competent pdoc! Youll have a much easier time/more peace of mind with a Maoi knowledgeable pdoc in place.
I too have been googling "maoi doctor" lol. Not successful. Any idea how to do this?Dosing is pretty straightforward really. Should you all of a sudden feel fine walking around your neighborhood naked thinking you are jesus, it may be time to reevaluate your dosage;) No seriously Nardil has the power to send me to the moon(caution advised!). It was exerting a powerful effect at 45mg. I am very happy about this fact, because there still is room to more than double this to 120mg. I think its VERY unlikely that nardil is ever gonna poop out on me. Probably i will do fine on 37.5 or 45 mg.
Wellbutrin isnt such a good idea, its contraindicated even though some babblers have done it. Furthermore Nardil, at least in its "new" form, is quite dopaminergic for me so when it kicks in i do not want to have wellbutrin intus.
I feel im becoming "slow" and sluggish, atypical depression coming back for sure. Yesterday at work people were a little bit like "whats wrong with you you are SLOW". Not great but its basically cooking fries etc as a minijob so i dont need it for survival. Hope they gonna keep calling me though.
Ramped the phenelzine up to 45 mg now. Got various sedatives/antimanics/antipsychotics in place in case the effect kicks in with too much strength.
Ld
Posted by Lamdage on June 25, 2011, at 2:23:13
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by Lamdage on June 25, 2011, at 2:06:16
Exasperated is exactly how im feeling! Imagine how pissed i am, came back from america thinking of nothing bad and then come to know that there is no doc in germany who is ever going to prescribe nardil to me. Ive almost wasted a year, alot of the time being suicidal and abused in some inhuman hospital. Basically my parents admitted me to the hospital and told them a whole bunch of lies. According to these lies i was treated. I thought id never come out of this hospital again and until this day i still have nightmaires from it. Id love to go and smash all their malicious heads.
Ive thought about taking them to court. Both my parents and these people at the hospital. I just dont have the strength to put up with so many blatant lies and ignorance.
Talking about psychiatric abuse.
A little off topic but this was very very bad for my emotional health.
Posted by Lamdage on June 25, 2011, at 5:05:30
In reply to Re: To Lamdage, posted by Lamdage on June 25, 2011, at 2:23:13
My pee has that phenelzine smell again :) The stuff i got is legit.
Posted by Lamdage on July 3, 2011, at 4:30:08
In reply to phenelzine, posted by Lamdage on June 25, 2011, at 5:05:30
This sh*t aint kickin in:(
Could it be that my archimedes batch of phenelzine is screwed because it hasnt been stored in the fridge for a couple days?
Posted by zonked on July 3, 2011, at 7:38:53
In reply to Re: phenelzine, posted by Lamdage on July 3, 2011, at 4:30:08
> This sh*t aint kickin in:(
> Could it be that my archimedes batch of phenelzine is screwed because it hasnt been stored in the fridge for a couple days?
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>Give it more time. Last year I did a brief retrial of Nardil and stopped it because I expected it to kick in as quickly as it had before... oops. Took a little longer this time. Also see that you're only on 45 mg, it took a little bit at 60 for me to start really noticing things. I always wonder why people outside of north america are told to keep their nardil in the fridge... aren't the inactive ingredients mostly the same? I did this once but my tablets got wet... oops.
Posted by Lamdage on July 3, 2011, at 9:32:33
In reply to Re: phenelzine » Lamdage, posted by zonked on July 3, 2011, at 7:38:53
> > This sh*t aint kickin in:(
> > Could it be that my archimedes batch of phenelzine is screwed because it hasnt been stored in the fridge for a couple days?
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> >
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> Give it more time. Last year I did a brief retrial of Nardil and stopped it because I expected it to kick in as quickly as it had before... oops. Took a little longer this time. Also see that you're only on 45 mg, it took a little bit at 60 for me to start really noticing things. I always wonder why people outside of north america are told to keep their nardil in the fridge... aren't the inactive ingredients mostly the same? I did this once but my tablets got wet... oops.I agree. Why should get the ingredient turn "bad" in one compound while its ok in another. Maybe some corn starch will go smelly but who cares.. thats what i was thinking, but who knows?
Im taking 52.5 now.. i assume that it got a bit worse than last time. Thanks to various doctors i generally need higher dosages now. After each horrendously deep depressed phase without meds i needed a little more to get me back on my feet.
Posted by hopefullynow on July 3, 2011, at 15:43:01
In reply to Re: phenelzine, posted by Lamdage on July 3, 2011, at 9:32:33
Lam, I hope phenelzine will kick in and let's hope that it wasn't comprised from the online pharmacy to you.
Always looking forward of your trial
Posted by Lamdage on July 4, 2011, at 1:06:02
In reply to Re: phenelzine, posted by hopefullynow on July 3, 2011, at 15:43:01
i wonder if i will get the euphoria again this time..
Back then it didnt stop being euphoric for 3 months :D
Posted by jedi on July 4, 2011, at 1:35:19
In reply to Re: phenelzine, posted by Lamdage on July 4, 2011, at 1:06:02
> i wonder if i will get the euphoria again this time..
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> Back then it didnt stop being euphoric for 3 months :DWhen phenelzine first kicked in for me in 1998 the hypomania lasted a long time. It felt so good after being depressed for so long. On multiple restarts of the medication, mostly after the reformulation in 2003, I've never recaptured this feeling. Of course, it is not the true antidepressant response of phenelzine.
Don't chase that one my friend,
Jedi
Posted by SLS on July 4, 2011, at 6:18:11
In reply to Re: phenelzine » Lamdage, posted by jedi on July 4, 2011, at 1:35:19
> > i wonder if i will get the euphoria again this time..
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> > Back then it didnt stop being euphoric for 3 months :D
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> When phenelzine first kicked in for me in 1998 the hypomania lasted a long time. It felt so good after being depressed for so long. On multiple restarts of the medication, mostly after the reformulation in 2003I estimate that it will take two full years for me to approach remission using phenelzine. Of course, I have four other drugs on board, but it was the addition of phenelzine that began my "true" response to this drug. Some people on PB have reported having to wait four months before feeling any improvement. After the initial "high", it took me another four months to respond again, but with a more stable improvement. It is possible that the more severe and chronic depressions will take an extended period of time to improve. My improvement has been gradual, but sustained. Lithium seems to have helped prevent mood fluctuations.
When I assess my progress on a monthly basis, my improvement is gradual, but persistent. To assess one's depression on a daily or weekly basis is often counterproductive and can result in a premature abortion of the treatment trial.
> I've never recaptured this feeling.
Wait four months at 60-90 mg/day. You might be pleasantly surprised.
> Of course, it is not the true antidepressant response of phenelzine.
I agree. Waiting four months to respond to phenelzine might be necessary.
> Don't chase that one my friend,
I agree. In a desperate attempt to recapture the initial high, wild dosage fluctuations effected for many months could leave one treatment resistant.
Currently:phenelzine 90mg
nortriptyline 150mg
lamotrigine 200mg
aripiprazole 10mg
lithium 300mg
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage on July 4, 2011, at 9:43:06
In reply to Re: phenelzine » jedi, posted by SLS on July 4, 2011, at 6:18:11
Im not chasing the euphoria, especially i dont increase the dosage to achieve this. I just wonder how i know if phenelzine kicks in.
The insomnia will is a pretty safe indicator i guess?
Posted by jedi on July 4, 2011, at 11:13:57
In reply to Re: phenelzine, posted by Lamdage on July 4, 2011, at 9:43:06
> Im not chasing the euphoria, especially i dont increase the dosage to achieve this. I just wonder how i know if phenelzine kicks in.
> The insomnia will is a pretty safe indicator i guess?Hey Lam,
I sure wasn't saying that you were chasing the high. There have just been other posters on this board, over the years, that have mistaken the hypomania/euphoria sometimes induced by phenelzine as the only antidepressant response. When this euphoria went away, they would report that the medication had pooped out. As you know, the hypomania is a side effect, not the true antidepressant response. Damn, it felt good though, after being depressed for so long! My head would tingle, and I would get just a giddy feeling. Just want to warn everyone that goes through this, be very careful with major life changes and financial decisions during this period.Hey Lam, I kind of wrote a small book on this. I've decided I am going to copy it into another thread on hypomania. I really think it is that important that people in this state get the information.
I so hope you recapture the the phenelzine antidepressant response. When it hits, it can be as sudden as throwing a light switch. One day my thinking was completely jumbled and I had no hope at all. The next day, the answers were very clear. I have never experienced anything like this before or since.
Good Luck and be well,
Jedi
Posted by Lamdage on July 4, 2011, at 16:58:11
In reply to Re: phenelzine » Lamdage, posted by jedi on July 4, 2011, at 11:13:57
Me neither,
Nardil has launched me way out of depression in a matter of 2 days lol.
Posted by Lamdage on July 5, 2011, at 8:07:50
In reply to Re: phenelzine, posted by Lamdage on July 4, 2011, at 16:58:11
Dear fellow nardil disciples,
i just did 4 pills of enteric coated nardil with added ingredients kaolin and methocel. I was able to attain a product called "food shellac spray".
Namely exactly this product: "ruth food shellac": http://www.scff.com/shop/product.php?productid=25218
You can order it in the states!!
Who invented it?? The swiss! lolIts really not hard at all, even quite fun. I bought a pill crusher, this type: http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/10800845/2/istockphoto_10800845-pill-crusher.jpg
If you store your nardil dry (you should), it goes to a non sticky powder form instantly.I have found that 1 crushed Pfizer Nardil Pill equals about 2/3 of an empty capsule size "0". So all you have to do is get your ingredients
(can someone post a list of the ones that are missing in the new nardil please?)
, mix them nicely and then mix them with crushed nardil.
You can approach the accurate amount of the missing 1/3 in these "0" capsules step by step. With practice comes skill.
If you want to do a 50/50 mix nardil/lost ingredients youd have to purchase "00" pills.As for mixing, a high quality coffee grinder is best i believe. When i can afford it, i will get one.
But if you are able to attain all the "lost" ingredients in fine powder form you can do it way easier. Just mix it manually, im sure you are creative enough to figure out a good way. I just had a hard time finding powdered methocel, so i bought veggy caps..For the coating process with spray, I think the coolest solution would be a flat top with little "sinkholes" where you can put the pills on. Important is that more than 50% of the pill are exposed to air, but they should be fixed somehow in order to be able spray the shellac on nicely. Maybe i will build something in the future. It can be done easily with soft wood and whittle tools.
The pills should be turned by 180 degrees and sprayed from the other side. For a total of 2-3 layers.
When i refined my technique i will post more detailed instructions! Maybe even pictures. This is an awesome hobby! :D
Posted by Lamdage on July 5, 2011, at 8:14:05
In reply to Old Nardil reconstruction/enteric coating!, posted by Lamdage on July 5, 2011, at 8:07:50
btw: never again pay too much for too expensive enteric coated whatever.
Posted by zonked on July 5, 2011, at 10:51:25
In reply to Re: Old Nardil reconstruction/enteric coating!, posted by Lamdage on July 5, 2011, at 8:14:05
Wow! you're really ambitious... I'm looking forward to hearing more. I told my pharmacy I wanted my refill to be the same generic I got last fill (Gavis) but got Greenstone instead. Will use a different pharmacy next fill. =)
Posted by Lamdage on July 5, 2011, at 20:48:45
In reply to Re: Old Nardil reconstruction/enteric coating! » Lamdage, posted by zonked on July 5, 2011, at 10:51:25
Ok the coating aint that easy! Maybe ill have to give the filled caps to a compounding pharmacy
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