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Posted by Jeroen on June 1, 2011, at 3:11:54
i developed a new tic or TD
on my mouth, some sort of left to right movement to my cheek...
i take abilify, seroquel and ativan
Posted by Zyprexa on June 1, 2011, at 4:50:47
In reply to i developed a new tic or TD, posted by Jeroen on June 1, 2011, at 3:11:54
Abilify gave me bad TD. Hands could not stop shaking. Went away when I stoped it.
Posted by Jeroen on June 1, 2011, at 5:00:54
In reply to Re: i developed a new tic or TD, posted by Zyprexa on June 1, 2011, at 4:50:47
TD is permanent changes of brain sh*t damage
you might have a parkinson form and abilify made it worse
Posted by SLS on June 1, 2011, at 8:48:32
In reply to Re: i developed a new tic or TD, posted by Zyprexa on June 1, 2011, at 4:50:47
> Abilify gave me bad TD. Hands could not stop shaking. Went away when I stoped it.
That doesn't sound like tardive dyskinesia to me. I think this term is being used too loosely - just like akathisia is. Caffeine makes my hands shake. This is unlikely to be tardive dyskinesia. It isn't even in the right part of the body. It is usually orofacial and more often irreversible upon discontinuation of the offending drug. The word "tardive" means latent or delayed. One must be on an offending drug for an extended period of time for the symptoms of TD to become observable.
- Scott
Posted by Jeroen on June 1, 2011, at 9:21:08
In reply to Re: i developed a new tic or TD, posted by SLS on June 1, 2011, at 8:48:32
its just a tic then then looks me as a moron or retarded
thank you so much for spiritually enhancing my life psychiatry! (ment sarcastic)
Posted by Phillipa on June 1, 2011, at 11:03:35
In reply to its jut a tic then, posted by Jeroen on June 1, 2011, at 9:21:08
Jeroen I'm sorry you're having so much trouble. Weren't you taking perpherizine? With the seroquel? What does the doc say about the tic. Very frighening for you. I also didn't know you were now on ativan? Phillipa
Posted by Jeroen on June 1, 2011, at 11:09:14
In reply to Re: its jut a tic then » Jeroen, posted by Phillipa on June 1, 2011, at 11:03:35
Philippa its Zyprexa from this board who is on
Pherpenazine.I once asked this on a doctor to take and he said its very old medicine, so i tried lamictal BOOM a new medicine and got Tardive Manic psychosis for eternity
Posted by B2chica on June 1, 2011, at 12:18:18
In reply to Philippa its Zyprexa from this board who is on, posted by Jeroen on June 1, 2011, at 11:09:14
i am also on perphenazine. granted very low dose, but i wish your doc would let you at least try it.??
Best wishes
b2c
Posted by Jeroen on June 1, 2011, at 12:38:29
In reply to Re: Philippa its Zyprexa from this board who is on, posted by B2chica on June 1, 2011, at 12:18:18
if that fails in November, i will explore older meds like Perphenazine perhaps
Posted by Phillipa on June 1, 2011, at 19:55:16
In reply to i am waiting for Sycrest --) Saphris, posted by Jeroen on June 1, 2011, at 12:38:29
Jeroen sorry got mixed up hard to keep up with all the posters meds. Phillipa
Posted by Zyprexa on June 1, 2011, at 23:48:57
In reply to Re: i am waiting for Sycrest --) Saphris » Jeroen, posted by Phillipa on June 1, 2011, at 19:55:16
with the abilify the TD did not start immediatly or end immediatly. But after a year or so it did go away. I think thats TD.
Posted by SLS on June 2, 2011, at 5:58:24
In reply to TD, posted by Zyprexa on June 1, 2011, at 23:48:57
> with the abilify the TD did not start immediatly or end immediatly. But after a year or so it did go away. I think thats TD.
That sounds about right. What were the involuntary muscle movements that you experienced?
TD with Abilify is thought to be rare. Akathisia is more common.
- Scott
Posted by Christ_empowered on June 2, 2011, at 10:52:58
In reply to Re: TD » Zyprexa, posted by SLS on June 2, 2011, at 5:58:24
The first couple times I took Abilify I took it with other meds (high dose Adderall, for instance) and I think I had some sort of tardive weirdness that developed. After a couple years and a nervous breakdown, the movements resolved.
Posted by Zyprexa on June 2, 2011, at 20:28:18
In reply to Re: TD » Zyprexa, posted by SLS on June 2, 2011, at 5:58:24
Shaky hands.
Posted by SLS on June 3, 2011, at 3:39:05
In reply to Re: TD » SLS, posted by Zyprexa on June 2, 2011, at 20:28:18
> Shaky hands.
Did you also experience any of the following?Dry mouth?
Heart palpitations?
Increased heart rate?
Constipation?
Acid stomach?
Nasal congestion?
Anxiety / "Wired"?
Dizziness / Postural hypotension / Syncope?
Fluctuating body temperature?
Headaches?
Mydriasis?Did these things occur along with the shaking hands?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on June 3, 2011, at 4:06:23
In reply to i developed a new tic or TD, posted by Jeroen on June 1, 2011, at 3:11:54
> i developed a new tic or TD
>
> on my mouth, some sort of left to right movement to my cheek...
>
> i take abilify, seroquel and ativanAlthough tardive dyskinesia and tics are often treated with Abilify and a few other APs, there are infrequent reports of these drugs producing tics. This is an atypical (parodoxical) presentation.
The diagnosis of TD is rather precise. Symptoms include:
Involuntary and repetitive movements of the body;
Grimacing, tongue twitching and protrusion;
Lip smacking, puckering and pursing and blinking, and raising eyebrows;
Rapid movements of the arms, legs and trunk;
Involuntary movements of the fingers as though playing an invisible guitar or piano.The involuntary movements of TD more often involves muscles located at the head and neck.
Shaking hands in TD occurs with a fixed pose of the fingers. The thumb and forefinger must remain in contact at their ends.
I think the term "Tardive Dyskinesia" is used too loosely and is overdiagnosed by posters on Psycho-Babble. It would be interesting to note who has been diagnosed with TD by their doctor.
- Scott
Posted by Zyprexa on June 3, 2011, at 11:48:26
In reply to Re: TD » Zyprexa, posted by SLS on June 3, 2011, at 3:39:05
Yes. I had anxiety, dizzyness, fluctuating body temp. I was so dizzy I could not stand up without almost passing out. Think I was in a cold sweat.
Posted by Zyprexa on June 3, 2011, at 11:58:32
In reply to Re: i developed a new tic or TD, posted by SLS on June 3, 2011, at 4:06:23
I take cogentin now. If I stop taking it my hands are more shaky. Supposidly its to keep perphenazine from giving me TD. But I'm wondering if its left over from abilify?
Posted by Christ_empowered on June 3, 2011, at 12:11:40
In reply to Re: i developed a new tic or TD » SLS, posted by Zyprexa on June 3, 2011, at 11:58:32
cogentin won't stop you from getting TD. It will suppress EPS in the short term, but its ineffective for most cases of established TD.
That said, the more I read on the subject the more it seems that there's a whole range of tardive stuff that psychiatry either doesn't acknowledge or is only beginning to acknowledge. Tardive tics, tardive psychosis, tardive akathisia...it wouldn't surprise me if the Abilify did do *something*, even if it didn't present as "classical" TD. Also, Abilify doesn't work like other antipsychotics, so I wouldn't be surprised if 10 years from now some (hopefully not many) Abilify patients have unusual tardive syndromes.
Posted by Zyprexa on June 3, 2011, at 12:50:22
In reply to Re: i developed a new tic or TD, posted by Christ_empowered on June 3, 2011, at 12:11:40
I've been taking cogentin for about 3 years now. I stoped taking it for a week and a half and slowly the shakies came. I went back on it and it went away. I wonder if it works because I stoped the abilify.
Posted by SLS on June 3, 2011, at 20:09:18
In reply to Re: TD » SLS, posted by Zyprexa on June 3, 2011, at 11:48:26
> Yes. I had anxiety, dizzyness, fluctuating body temp. I was so dizzy I could not stand up without almost passing out. Think I was in a cold sweat.
Look up the word "dysautonomia" and tell me what you think
- Scott
Posted by Zyprexa on June 7, 2011, at 6:53:19
In reply to Re: TD » Zyprexa, posted by SLS on June 3, 2011, at 20:09:18
That sounds like the right symptoms. But it was from abilify, and went away when I stoped the abilify
Posted by SLS on June 7, 2011, at 7:54:58
In reply to Re: TD, posted by Zyprexa on June 7, 2011, at 6:53:19
> That sounds like the right symptoms. But it was from abilify, and went away when I stoped the abilify
I really don't know if what you experienced was EPS (not tardive) or dysautonomia. Did you feel better while on Abilify?
- Scott
Posted by Zyprexa on June 8, 2011, at 20:15:03
In reply to Re: TD » Zyprexa, posted by SLS on June 7, 2011, at 7:54:58
I felt awfull on abilify.
Posted by Jeroen on June 9, 2011, at 1:41:54
In reply to Re: TD » SLS, posted by Zyprexa on June 8, 2011, at 20:15:03
im forced to take abilify because it combats mania :(
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