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Posted by ventures59 on April 6, 2011, at 16:53:37
In reply to Re: my alcoholic son » heart_broken, posted by Phil on February 17, 2006, at 13:07:04
i was amazed to find that someone was in almost the exact situtaion i find myself in. its as if i had wriiten this post myself. i have not as of yet tried the alanon thing. it just so happens to be on my churches bible study night. my son is now incarcerated on a dvp order awaiting bail or court date. first time being incarceraed. i dont feel like bailing him out one more time.
Posted by Phillipa on April 6, 2011, at 17:05:44
In reply to Re: my alcoholic son » Phil, posted by ventures59 on April 6, 2011, at 16:53:37
There are meds that help with alchohol cravings. Campral is one. It's an illness. Phillipa
Posted by henryo on April 7, 2011, at 3:29:31
In reply to Re: my alcoholic son » ventures59, posted by Phillipa on April 6, 2011, at 17:05:44
Please do not attempt to fix an alcoholic with meds. Talk about throwing gas on the fire. He's already in grave danger. Meds may be appropriate someday for problems other than alcohol. But if you want to save his life and improve your own immensely drop bible study for a while and jump into alanon with everything you've got. There is plenty of God in those rooms. You will be amazed at what you'll learn. DrBob isn't going to let this post go on for long. Go to alanon and say "I need help".
Posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2011, at 20:02:38
In reply to Re: my alcoholic son, posted by henryo on April 7, 2011, at 3:29:31
Campral doesn't "fix" an alchoholic it merely helps with anxiety associated with withdrawal. For some Alanon or AA isn't a good fit. Lots of hospitalized alchohols first are withdrawn with benzos and then given an ad. I used to be a charge nurse in chemical dependency unit. That unit did above and also went out via van nights to meetings. Lithium helped a lot also very low doses. Phillipa
Posted by henryo on April 8, 2011, at 7:50:40
In reply to Re: my alcoholic son » henryo, posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2011, at 20:02:38
Are you really saying that handing anti anxiety medications to an uninstitutionalized non recovered alcoholic is a good idea? You are not an alcoholic. AA doesn't need to be a "good fit" he just has to do it. And he will, when those around him allow the consequences of his behavior to get bad enough. If he doesn't go to AA his chances of recovering at all are incredibly low. An ex charge nurse ought to know that. Giving him meds on his own is worse than dangerous, it is harmful. You made the recommendation in your previous post that he should be given anti anxiety meds. Don't try to say you meant otherwise. That is a shockingly horrible suggestion.
Posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2011, at 11:30:52
In reply to Re: my alcoholic son, posted by henryo on April 8, 2011, at 7:50:40
Henryo I feel you may have misunderstood my first message. I was Just mentioning that some alchoholics are deemed good candidates for campral, lithium, some for ad's as assumed the above was being or soon would be treated by a bona fide doctor or pdoc. The patients I cared for were all in a 30 day inpt program at the time. Groups all day. Supplemented with meds if that is what their doc recommended. Prescription only. Someone very close to me is an alchoholic dry for over 15 years and only attended AA when inpatient. It's a great program. Some do very well and some seem not to. But I feel the important message for above poster is to seek psychiatric help first. Then the doctor will work with patient to devise a recovery plan. Some are detoxed first with high doses of benzos to avoid seizures and weaned quickly off of them. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2011, at 12:48:59
In reply to Re: my alcoholic son » Phil, posted by ventures59 on April 6, 2011, at 16:53:37
Ventures can you ask the judge to refer as a court order to an addictions specialist? Also in the achieves of old withdrawal board there are threads dealing with alchoholism and treatments and also lots of groups. Yes Alanon is a very good group for you. Start there and see where it leads you and best of luck to you both. Phillipa
Posted by Deputy Racer on April 8, 2011, at 17:10:43
In reply to Re: my alcoholic son, posted by henryo on April 8, 2011, at 7:50:40
> That is a shockingly horrible suggestion.
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Posted by sigismund on April 10, 2011, at 2:00:42
In reply to Re: my alcoholic son, posted by henryo on April 8, 2011, at 7:50:40
>That is a shockingly horrible suggestion.
I must not be so easily shocked.
Posted by Elanor Roosevelt on April 13, 2011, at 9:20:21
In reply to Re: my alcoholic son » henryo, posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2011, at 11:30:52
Some truths:
People get sober when they are ready. You can hate AA meetings and still attend and reap the benefits.There are many kinds of AA meetings--very different groups of people. Encourage your son to shop around for a meeting that he feels is a better fit.
Typical alcoholics can not be trusted with medications as outpatients. It is not because they are untrustworthy people but because they have an insidious disease that makes them crave mind altering substances whether they be alcohol or head meds. Self-medication is already their core issue.
Posted by Phillipa on April 13, 2011, at 20:09:49
In reply to Re: my alcoholic son, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on April 13, 2011, at 9:20:21
That wasn't my experience most went home on some form of med. It was suggested to attend 30 meetings in 30 days but after that the choice was yours to make. I found VA Beach had many AA meeting NC only one in each city. Same here in Charlotte no idea why? I think some pdocs have private group meetings based on AA and the other type which eludes me at this time. Phillipa
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