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Posted by maya4 on March 27, 2011, at 15:38:38
Hi,
I was told by a former pdoc that abilify can have severe side effects such as cardiac arrhythmias.
Does anyone know anything about this?
I suspect he may have confused abilify with geodon but am not certain.Thanks,
Maya.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on March 27, 2011, at 16:50:23
In reply to Abilify, posted by maya4 on March 27, 2011, at 15:38:38
> Hi,
>
> I was told by a former pdoc that abilify can have severe side effects such as cardiac arrhythmias.
> Does anyone know anything about this?
> I suspect he may have confused abilify with geodon but am not certain.
>
> Thanks,
> Maya.Abilify is not normally associated with cardic arrhythmias, but most (all?) antipsychotics seems to present a risk to the cardiovascular system.
In elderly patients with dementia, the risk of death is increased by antipsychotic treatment. The cause of death is normally recorded as sudden cardiac death or pneumonia, sometimes heart failure or stroke. The risk of venous thrombo-embolism (DVT, pulmonary embolism) also seems to be increased. To what extent this risk applies to younger patients with psychiatric disorders is not known. Most antipsychotics can cause weight gain and metabolic abnormalities of the type which may lead to ischemic heart disease in the long term.
So no, Abilify does not normally affect cardiac conduction or induce arrhythmias, but it is not free of cardiovascular risk.
Antipsychotics are the sort of meds which should only be taken to treat serious conditions where they are clearly necessary... and they should only be continued if the response is good and side effects acceptable. Some patients with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder respond well to antipsychotics but others obtain no benefit. It's very individual.
Posted by maya4 on March 28, 2011, at 10:49:57
In reply to Re: Abilify, posted by ed_uk2010 on March 27, 2011, at 16:50:23
Thank you, Ed.
Pdocs keep pressuring me to take an AP. I wish there had been an alternative...
Posted by ed_uk2010 on March 28, 2011, at 13:32:10
In reply to Re: Abilify » ed_uk2010, posted by maya4 on March 28, 2011, at 10:49:57
>I wish there had been an alternative...
Sometimes there isn't. It's about balancing the potential risks against the benefits.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 28, 2011, at 15:37:56
In reply to Re: Abilify, posted by ed_uk2010 on March 28, 2011, at 13:32:10
> >I wish there had been an alternative...
>
> Sometimes there isn't. It's about balancing the potential risks against the benefits.
>
>
> ed_uk2010,
You wrote,[...Sometimes there isn't (an alternative to the AP drug the other poster wrote that he/she was pressured to take by a psychiatrist)...It's about balancing the potential risks against the benefits...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. If it is that {sometimes there is not}, then do you agree that {sometimes there is}?
B. If there is sometimes an alternative to taking an AP, what are the criteria that could be used to conclude that there is not any alternative to having the person take the AP drug?
C. Are you aware that the FDA now agrees that there is a class of psychotropic drugstthat could increase the chances of someone in a suicidal situation to go ahead and kill themselves and/or others?
D. If what you are wanting to mean about finding a balance, could what you are wanting to mean is to see if there is a 50-50 chance of the person killing themselves and/or others if they are prescribed a psychotropic drug?
E. If not a 50-50 chance, what chance are you wanting to mean if this is what you are wanting to mean by {a balance}?
F. If the balance is to determine if the person taking the drug will get a life-ruining condition, what balance do youu use and what criteria do you use to make such a determination?
E. If so, how could anyone make that determination?
F. Would you get on an airplane if you were told that there was a 50-50 chance of it crashing and you could be killed or be in a life-ruining condition for the rest of your life?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 28, 2011, at 16:21:44
In reply to Lou's request-vutrdhachnzes? » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on March 28, 2011, at 15:37:56
> > >I wish there had been an alternative...
> >
> > Sometimes there isn't. It's about balancing the potential risks against the benefits.
> >
> >
> > ed_uk2010,
> You wrote,[...Sometimes there isn't (an alternative to the AP drug the other poster wrote that he/she was pressured to take by a psychiatrist)...It's about balancing the potential risks against the benefits...].
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A. If it is that {sometimes there is not}, then do you agree that {sometimes there is}?
> B. If there is sometimes an alternative to taking an AP, what are the criteria that could be used to conclude that there is not any alternative to having the person take the AP drug?
> C. Are you aware that the FDA now agrees that there is a class of psychotropic drugstthat could increase the chances of someone in a suicidal situation to go ahead and kill themselves and/or others?
> D. If what you are wanting to mean about finding a balance, could what you are wanting to mean is to see if there is a 50-50 chance of the person killing themselves and/or others if they are prescribed a psychotropic drug?
> E. If not a 50-50 chance, what chance are you wanting to mean if this is what you are wanting to mean by {a balance}?
> F. If the balance is to determine if the person taking the drug will get a life-ruining condition, what balance do youu use and what criteria do you use to make such a determination?
> E. If so, how could anyone make that determination?
> F. Would you get on an airplane if you were told that there was a 50-50 chance of it crashing and you could be killed or be in a life-ruining condition for the rest of your life?
> Lou
>
> Friennds,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video. To see this video:A. pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Psychiatric Drugs Causing and in our Youth]]
There will be a pic of a person holding a bag it is 2 min posted on Nov 10, 2007
> Lou
Posted by mtdewcmu on March 29, 2011, at 1:34:26
In reply to Abilify, posted by maya4 on March 27, 2011, at 15:38:38
Abilify is an alpha adrenergic antagonist, like a lot of psych meds. That's probably where the cardiac effects come from. It dilates blood vessels and causes your heart to speed up to compensate. This also causes orthostatic hypotension, which affects some people more than others. For me, it was intolerable.
> Hi,
>
> I was told by a former pdoc that abilify can have severe side effects such as cardiac arrhythmias.
> Does anyone know anything about this?
> I suspect he may have confused abilify with geodon but am not certain.
>
> Thanks,
> Maya.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 29, 2011, at 7:49:50
In reply to Lou's request-duunoh, posted by Lou Pilder on March 28, 2011, at 16:21:44
> > > >I wish there had been an alternative...
> > >
> > > Sometimes there isn't. It's about balancing the potential risks against the benefits.
> > >
> > >
> > > ed_uk2010,
> > You wrote,[...Sometimes there isn't (an alternative to the AP drug the other poster wrote that he/she was pressured to take by a psychiatrist)...It's about balancing the potential risks against the benefits...].
> > I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > A. If it is that {sometimes there is not}, then do you agree that {sometimes there is}?
> > B. If there is sometimes an alternative to taking an AP, what are the criteria that could be used to conclude that there is not any alternative to having the person take the AP drug?
> > C. Are you aware that the FDA now agrees that there is a class of psychotropic drugstthat could increase the chances of someone in a suicidal situation to go ahead and kill themselves and/or others?
> > D. If what you are wanting to mean about finding a balance, could what you are wanting to mean is to see if there is a 50-50 chance of the person killing themselves and/or others if they are prescribed a psychotropic drug?
> > E. If not a 50-50 chance, what chance are you wanting to mean if this is what you are wanting to mean by {a balance}?
> > F. If the balance is to determine if the person taking the drug will get a life-ruining condition, what balance do youu use and what criteria do you use to make such a determination?
> > E. If so, how could anyone make that determination?
> > F. Would you get on an airplane if you were told that there was a 50-50 chance of it crashing and you could be killed or be in a life-ruining condition for the rest of your life?
> > Lou
> >
> > Friennds,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video. To see this video:
>
> A. pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Psychiatric Drugs Causing and in our Youth]]
> There will be a pic of a person holding a bag it is 2 min posted on Nov 10, 2007
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view thhe following video.
Lou
To see this video:
A. pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Antidepressants work newsflash]
You will see a picture of a person and on the lower left is a logo of Fox News. It is 5 min and posted on Nov 17, 2008
Posted by maya4 on March 29, 2011, at 13:38:20
In reply to Re: Abilify, posted by mtdewcmu on March 29, 2011, at 1:34:26
Thank you for this info.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on March 29, 2011, at 13:48:42
In reply to Lou's request-duunoh, posted by Lou Pilder on March 28, 2011, at 16:21:44
Yes, there are sometimes alternatives to antipsychotics, particularly in bipolar disorder. Unfortunately, there is often little alternative in serious psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia with prominent delusions and hallucinations. That's not to say the APs are the only treatment, but they do have a role.
> > > >I wish there had been an alternative...
> > >
> > > Sometimes there isn't. It's about balancing the potential risks against the benefits.
> > >
> > >
> > > ed_uk2010,
> > You wrote,[...Sometimes there isn't (an alternative to the AP drug the other poster wrote that he/she was pressured to take by a psychiatrist)...It's about balancing the potential risks against the benefits...].
> > I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > A. If it is that {sometimes there is not}, then do you agree that {sometimes there is}?
> > B. If there is sometimes an alternative to taking an AP, what are the criteria that could be used to conclude that there is not any alternative to having the person take the AP drug?
> > C. Are you aware that the FDA now agrees that there is a class of psychotropic drugstthat could increase the chances of someone in a suicidal situation to go ahead and kill themselves and/or others?
> > D. If what you are wanting to mean about finding a balance, could what you are wanting to mean is to see if there is a 50-50 chance of the person killing themselves and/or others if they are prescribed a psychotropic drug?
> > E. If not a 50-50 chance, what chance are you wanting to mean if this is what you are wanting to mean by {a balance}?
> > F. If the balance is to determine if the person taking the drug will get a life-ruining condition, what balance do youu use and what criteria do you use to make such a determination?
> > E. If so, how could anyone make that determination?
> > F. Would you get on an airplane if you were told that there was a 50-50 chance of it crashing and you could be killed or be in a life-ruining condition for the rest of your life?
> > Lou
> >
> > Friennds,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video. To see this video:
>
> A. pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Psychiatric Drugs Causing and in our Youth]]
> There will be a pic of a person holding a bag it is 2 min posted on Nov 10, 2007
> > Lou
>
>
Posted by MatthewDavid on March 29, 2011, at 20:20:38
In reply to Lou's request-duunoh, posted by Lou Pilder on March 28, 2011, at 16:21:44
Lou, I have seen your posts and know others, (even in the medical field) share your beliefs and document studies showing links to these types of meds and terrible tragedies. But with that said I feel you are in the wrong forum as this is a support forum. I have heard your views but consider this:
1. I personally would not be here today if it was not for the treatment medication has provided. Although it has not cured my symptoms I am much better off.
2. Studies try to show a link between medication and suicide. Do I believe medication causes a person to committ suicide, No. Do I believe people suffering from depression are more likely to committ suicide, Yes. So I cannot possibly conclude there is a link between medication and suicide. I can conclude there is a link between depression and suicide.
3. Finally you know my position with your postings on this forum, I respect others opinions however firmly believe this is a support forum and regardless of your beliefs and what "may" be good intentions in your mind I feel, I would like to see something that contributes to the dynamic of this forum such as your experience (or experience of a loved one) as it relates to mental health, and successful or unsuccessful treatment you've experienced.
4. Giving up on these types of meds for myself, and others, is simply not an option and I can definatly see how others would not understand this but it is part of my life and something I can not leave untreated.
Posted by glydin2011 on March 29, 2011, at 20:47:30
In reply to Re: Lou's request-duunoh » Lou Pilder, posted by MatthewDavid on March 29, 2011, at 20:20:38
One of the best posts I have seen on the forums. Thank you for expressing how I feel as well.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 29, 2011, at 21:45:44
In reply to Lou's request-pooldhawhul, posted by Lou Pilder on March 29, 2011, at 7:49:50
> > > > >I wish there had been an alternative...
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes there isn't. It's about balancing the potential risks against the benefits.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ed_uk2010,
> > > You wrote,[...Sometimes there isn't (an alternative to the AP drug the other poster wrote that he/she was pressured to take by a psychiatrist)...It's about balancing the potential risks against the benefits...].
> > > I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > > A. If it is that {sometimes there is not}, then do you agree that {sometimes there is}?
> > > B. If there is sometimes an alternative to taking an AP, what are the criteria that could be used to conclude that there is not any alternative to having the person take the AP drug?
> > > C. Are you aware that the FDA now agrees that there is a class of psychotropic drugstthat could increase the chances of someone in a suicidal situation to go ahead and kill themselves and/or others?
> > > D. If what you are wanting to mean about finding a balance, could what you are wanting to mean is to see if there is a 50-50 chance of the person killing themselves and/or others if they are prescribed a psychotropic drug?
> > > E. If not a 50-50 chance, what chance are you wanting to mean if this is what you are wanting to mean by {a balance}?
> > > F. If the balance is to determine if the person taking the drug will get a life-ruining condition, what balance do youu use and what criteria do you use to make such a determination?
> > > E. If so, how could anyone make that determination?
> > > F. Would you get on an airplane if you were told that there was a 50-50 chance of it crashing and you could be killed or be in a life-ruining condition for the rest of your life?
> > > Lou
> > >
> > > Friennds,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video. To see this video:
> >
> > A. pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, Psychiatric Drugs Causing and in our Youth]]
> > There will be a pic of a person holding a bag it is 2 min posted on Nov 10, 2007
> > > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view thhe following video.
> Lou
> To see this video:
> A. pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Antidepressants work newsflash]
> You will see a picture of a person and on the lower left is a logo of Fox News. It is 5 min and posted on Nov 17, 2008
>
> Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video.
To view this video;
A. Pull up Google
B Type in:
[youtube,Part 3 How Psychiatric Drugs can your child]
You may need to scroll down a few for part 3. You will see a pic of a woman and the time is 10 min posted on Nov 4, 2010
Posted by glydin2011 on March 29, 2011, at 21:57:14
In reply to Lou's request-krmnhg, posted by Lou Pilder on March 29, 2011, at 21:45:44
No thanks Lou.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 29, 2011, at 22:31:11
In reply to Re: Abilify » ed_uk2010, posted by maya4 on March 28, 2011, at 10:49:57
> Thank you, Ed.
>
> Pdocs keep pressuring me to take an AP. I wish there had been an alternative...
>
> Maya4,
You wrote,[...(psychiatrists) keep pressuring me to take an AP. I wish there had been an altenative...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to repsond accordingly.
A.what kind of pressure do you encounter?
B. would you like to know an alternative to taking mind-altering drugs that have the potential too induce a mind-alterd state to make you want to kill youurself and/or others?
C. Could you examine the folloing site for the facts in it?
Lou
To see this site;
A. pull up Google
B. Type in;
[SSRI Stories]
Posted by mtdewcmu on March 29, 2011, at 23:25:34
In reply to Re: Abilify » mtdewcmu, posted by maya4 on March 29, 2011, at 13:38:20
Posted by matthewdavid on March 30, 2011, at 8:03:20
In reply to Lou's request-sgtphrieghdheigh » maya4, posted by Lou Pilder on March 29, 2011, at 22:31:11
Lou this particular thread is labeled "Abilify" and it's purpose is to ask questions about the medication, share results, etc. (For example, I personally tried abilify and this medication it did offer me some relief for my symptoms but the cost and side effects did not out way the benefits so I tried something else). Can I ask what your post has to do with the subject of Abilify? I have read your views however will continue to state that for many people, (like myself) depression is a disease and must be treated by medication. Also to answer one of your questions regarding these types of meds and suicides, A person suffering from depression is obviously and unfortunately more likely to take their own life :( In these terrible and heartbreaking tradgedies the cause is not their medication, it is their depression. I will give you a senerio you may understand, if a person is terminally ill (Cancer for example), they are obviously provided medical treatment including medication, if this person lost all hope and lost their will to live because the pain was too much to endure, would it be your assumption that their medication caused their suicide??? It happens, more than you would think, terminally ill people tradgecally end their lives, would you link this to their medication or link this terrible outcome to what they have had to endure? Compare this senerio to your senerio to medications to treat depression. I don't know your state of well being but if you don't suffer from depression like many others do you simply can't understand. So here is the final question many others have asked trying to determine your intentions: Do you suffer from depression or mental illness? If so what treatment options gave you results? And finally the "Golden" question: did you suffer from mental illness and recieve a "cure" from watching your video??
Posted by maya4 on March 30, 2011, at 14:04:11
In reply to Lou's request-sgtphrieghdheigh » maya4, posted by Lou Pilder on March 29, 2011, at 22:31:11
Hi Lou,> A.what kind of pressure do you encounter?
Pdocs telling me I have to take an AP. One told me that failure to do so would endanger me.
> B. would you like to know an alternative to taking mind-altering drugs that have the potential too induce a mind-alterd state to make you want to kill youurself and/or others?
Yes, if an effective alternative were available.
> C. Could you examine the folloing site for the facts in it?
Thanks for mentioning the site. Ironically, I am taking an antidepressant and as of now it is the only thing keeping me alive. I attempted suicide while off the drug and as long as I take it I am capable of controlling my desire to cease existing. An AP, on the other hand, is a different story, but I am speaking for myself only.
Posted by matthewdavid on March 30, 2011, at 16:09:56
In reply to Re: Lou's request-sgtphrieghdheigh » Lou Pilder, posted by maya4 on March 30, 2011, at 14:04:11
Lou, I appreciate this post from Maya as I have shared a similar experience. As I have mentioned previously to you that Depression can lead to suicide :( It is not the medication to blame. Like this previous poster medication has offered me some form of relief from this terrible affliction and there is no senerio I would ever take my life now that I am receiving effective treatment. So as you have stated you feel there is a link between these meds and suicide consider this: Just like the previous poster I had tried suicide prior to ever taking any type of medication other than tylonel and cold medicine. Now that I receive relief from my current med I would never consider something so tradgic and grateful I am here today. People have a right to their opinion but as I have stated to you many times I feel like you are at the wrong forum considering this statement at the very top of this forum: "This is a message board for mutual support and education. It focuses on more basic medication-related issues" Without saying anything demeaning will you ever answer the following question that many others have asked as well: Do you have anything to contribute based on your personal experience (or that of a loved one) in regards to mental health?
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 30, 2011, at 16:56:12
In reply to Lou's request-krmnhg, posted by Lou Pilder on March 29, 2011, at 21:45:44
> > > > > >I wish there had been an alternative...
> > > > >
> > > > > Sometimes there isn't. It's about balancing the potential risks against the benefits.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ed_uk2010,
> > > > You wrote,[...Sometimes there isn't (an alternative to the AP drug the other poster wrote that he/she was pressured to take by a psychiatrist)...It's about balancing the potential risks against the benefits...].
> > > > I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > > > A. If it is that {sometimes there is not}, then do you agree that {sometimes there is}?
> > > > B. If there is sometimes an alternative to taking an AP, what are the criteria that could be used to conclude that there is not any alternative to having the person take the AP drug?
> > > > C. Are you aware that the FDA now agrees that there is a class of psychotropic drugstthat could increase the chances of someone in a suicidal situation to go ahead and kill themselves and/or others?
> > > > D. If what you are wanting to mean about finding a balance, could what you are wanting to mean is to see if there is a 50-50 chance of the person killing themselves and/or others if they are prescribed a psychotropic drug?
> > > > E. If not a 50-50 chance, what chance are you wanting to mean if this is what you are wanting to mean by {a balance}?
> > > > F. If the balance is to determine if the person taking the drug will get a life-ruining condition, what balance do youu use and what criteria do you use to make such a determination?
> > > > E. If so, how could anyone make that determination?
> > > > F. Would you get on an airplane if you were told that there was a 50-50 chance of it crashing and you could be killed or be in a life-ruining condition for the rest of your life?
> > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > > Friennds,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video. To see this video:
> > >
> > > A. pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [youtube, Psychiatric Drugs Causing and in our Youth]]
> > > There will be a pic of a person holding a bag it is 2 min posted on Nov 10, 2007
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view thhe following video.
> > Lou
> > To see this video:
> > A. pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, Antidepressants work newsflash]
> > You will see a picture of a person and on the lower left is a logo of Fox News. It is 5 min and posted on Nov 17, 2008
> >
> > Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> To view this video;
> A. Pull up Google
> B Type in:
> [youtube,Part 3 How Psychiatric Drugs can your child]
> You may need to scroll down a few for part 3. You will see a pic of a woman and the time is 10 min posted on Nov 4, 2010
>
> Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video. To view this video;A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Hannity's America with Dougla Kennedy on Antidepressants
You will see a pic of a man and the time is 6 min posted on Dec 12, 2007
Lou
Posted by MatthewDavid on March 30, 2011, at 19:06:46
In reply to Lou's request-faxdhatkontradc, posted by Lou Pilder on March 30, 2011, at 16:56:12
Lou, you mention that if someone is interested in having a discussion in this particular thread to view your "video". The name of this thread was titled "Abilify" and had questions regarding this medication. I recommend you start your own thread related to whatever your thoughts are, or post something relating your personal experiences with abilify.
Posted by glydin2011 on March 30, 2011, at 19:39:56
In reply to Lou's request-faxdhatkontradc, posted by Lou Pilder on March 30, 2011, at 16:56:12
Multiple requests of: (your posting) "If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video." could potentially be perceived by some as pressuring even as a "request"... Pressuring others is addressed in the civility guidelines.
Of course, it would be up to Adm. to make that determination.
Posted by MatthewDavid on March 30, 2011, at 20:13:23
In reply to Re: Lou, posted by glydin2011 on March 30, 2011, at 19:39:56
Very well stated glydin
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 30, 2011, at 21:08:04
In reply to Lou's request-faxdhatkontradc, posted by Lou Pilder on March 30, 2011, at 16:56:12
Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting thst you view thhe following video
To view this video,
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in,
[youtube, The About Suicide-Part 1]You will see a pic of a woman with her hand on hr chin...the video is 9 min posted on May 28, 2007
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 30, 2011, at 21:46:11
In reply to Lou's request-pseighvlyvs, posted by Lou Pilder on March 30, 2011, at 21:08:04
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting thst you view thhe following video
> To view this video,
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in,
> [youtube, The About Suicide-Part 1]
>
> You will see a pic of a woman with her hand on hr chin...the video is 9 min posted on May 28, 2007
> LouFriends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you view the following video.
To see this video,
A. Pull up Goggle
B. Type in,
[youtube, The About Suicide-Part2]
You will see a pic of a woman with herr hair lookig like she justt washed it. Her hand is on her chin
The time is 9 min posted on May 28,2007
Lou
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