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Posted by Jeroen on February 9, 2011, at 10:42:40
brain damage, involuntairy commitment, psychosis
that's what psychiatry has done to me, instead of healing me/us.
they should be punished in same way we are punished for a crime we commit!if i talk to a psychiatrist i simply hate the conversation. what i've been reading is that
lot of people appreciate psychosis or depressive feelings they get from meds. they seek further, more brain damageplease seek a natural treatment instead of highly toxic poisonous drugs, even if you feel very depressed but imagine you will get psychotic behavior for the rest of your lifes and must take a expensive poison like abilify $300 with nasty sexual side effects, blurred vision, memory problems, etc... etc... weight gain, diabetes
my first doctor said to me, dont worry about the side effects, HES WAS A NASTY LIAR!
Posted by Laney on February 9, 2011, at 10:56:49
In reply to brain damage, involuntairy commitment, psychosis, posted by Jeroen on February 9, 2011, at 10:42:40
I hear you. Can you imagine the amount of people who are taking these meds. They give them out like candy. I think it's important to get this info to the masses before instead of after.
Thanks,
Laney
Posted by Phillipa on February 9, 2011, at 11:03:26
In reply to Re: brain damage, involuntairy commitment, psychosis, posted by Laney on February 9, 2011, at 10:56:49
I'm starting to wonder myself. Phillipa
Posted by Christ_empowered on February 9, 2011, at 12:00:16
In reply to Re: brain damage, involuntairy commitment, psychosis, posted by Phillipa on February 9, 2011, at 11:03:26
I don't know what to think or do about psychiatry. If I don't take my Abilify, I'll end up in some sort of institution. If I do take it, I'm labeled and forced into the role of mental patient.
I'm sorry about your situation. The meds aren't great, the doctors aren't much better (they're ofte worse), and the whole system is fundamentally screwed up to the core.
Do you believe in God? I do, and my faith in God leads to me to believe that at some point in the not-so-distant future, all our suffering will be transformed into something beautiful, something worthwhile. God will give us, even (perhaps especially) us mental patients, beauty for ashes.
Have a good day.
Posted by Jeroen on February 9, 2011, at 12:05:58
In reply to Re: brain damage, involuntairy commitment, psychosis, posted by Christ_empowered on February 9, 2011, at 12:00:16
when you're dead you ascent (or not), then you meet him not before that i think... my suffering for 13 years now, 2 months of relief then poop out, and nothing else worse,
then the lamictal almost killed me and made my conditions worse and last week i had to updae my dose to 15 mg for diagnosis tardive psychosis
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2011, at 21:29:29
In reply to Re: brain damage, involuntairy commitment, psychosis, posted by Christ_empowered on February 9, 2011, at 12:00:16
> I don't know what to think or do about psychiatry. If I don't take my Abilify, I'll end up in some sort of institution. If I do take it, I'm labeled and forced into the role of mental patient.
>
> I'm sorry about your situation. The meds aren't great, the doctors aren't much better (they're ofte worse), and the whole system is fundamentally screwed up to the core.
>
> Do you believe in God? I do, and my faith in God leads to me to believe that at some point in the not-so-distant future, all our suffering will be transformed into something beautiful, something worthwhile. God will give us, even (perhaps especially) us mental patients, beauty for ashes.
>
> Have a good day.C_emp,
You wrote,[...all of our sufferings will be transformed..beauty for ashes...].
There is another realm that one can be in where that happens, and that can be now. And it has been revealed to me that when one enters that realm, it is through great tribulation. And this tribulation leads to a vine that when one is attatched to it, there is the Word of God speaking through the vine into you. This is what I mean by revelation. I have posted here some of what I have heard through the Grape Vine. You cited Isaiah 61:3. Does any more come through from that source?
Lou
Posted by bodhisattva_guy on February 10, 2011, at 0:17:23
In reply to Lou's response-mgndvd » Christ_empowered, posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2011, at 21:29:29
when i picked up the package of lamictal, i was either receiving non vocal gesture or simply a feeling of the pharmacist (seeing my age) or it was some higher power telling me to not touch that stuff. Or - I am hypochondriac who read wikipedia and panicked about the medication. Either way, I sensed that this meds side effects were not to be ignored. Talk about the unknown effects of the med bindind to inside of your eyes.
I suppose a doctor can tell not to worry about side efxts - if you are dealing with a psychosis that will cause you to do more harm then good. Is there a natural alternative that blocks dopamine or modifies NDMA receptor (new version of underlying reason for psychosis).
Perhaps dopamine receptors are out of whack due to genetic reasons, but it might be also due to improper diet. So it would be wise to learn about proper diet, and possible causes of psychosis - I would definitely skip alcohol/pcp/ketamine.
Posted by Laney on February 10, 2011, at 12:32:06
In reply to to Christ_empowered, posted by Jeroen on February 9, 2011, at 12:05:58
First Christ empowered, that was a beautiful sentence. Yes, I definitely agree. All of these trials and sufferings will someday (sometimes not soon enough) fade away and we will make the trade beauty for ashes.
Jeroen - I'm not sure what you meant but there is a lot of confusion about when and how it will take place (our transformation). I've been a believer since I was 6 and now I'm 46 and I still don't know exactly how it will be.
Laney
Posted by Laney on February 10, 2011, at 12:44:49
In reply to Lou's response-mgndvd » Christ_empowered, posted by Lou Pilder on February 9, 2011, at 21:29:29
Lou,
It seems like you simplify this whole thing about psychiatry and psych drugs, etc. It's a done deal my taking psych drugs for years but it has affected me and there are times that I can feel close to God and other times when he feels like he's not to be found. When I was in remission if you will from depression, I had no problem finding him or Him finding me. Depression affects me in that way. I don't feel connected to not only Him but to friends, family, my children like I do when I'm not in depression. Do you get that? It's not because I'm not seeking Him or seeking truth. I am. I already know I am one of His based on His promises in His book. So please, again, don't oversimplify us psych medication users. If you haven't been in our shoes - each and everyone of us - you can only make assumptions.
child of God,
Laney
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 10, 2011, at 16:19:53
In reply to Re: Lou's response-mgndvd, posted by Laney on February 10, 2011, at 12:44:49
> Lou,
>
> It seems like you simplify this whole thing about psychiatry and psych drugs, etc. It's a done deal my taking psych drugs for years but it has affected me and there are times that I can feel close to God and other times when he feels like he's not to be found. When I was in remission if you will from depression, I had no problem finding him or Him finding me. Depression affects me in that way. I don't feel connected to not only Him but to friends, family, my children like I do when I'm not in depression. Do you get that? It's not because I'm not seeking Him or seeking truth. I am. I already know I am one of His based on His promises in His book. So please, again, don't oversimplify us psych medication users. If you haven't been in our shoes - each and everyone of us - you can only make assumptions.
>
> child of God,
> LaneyLaney,
You wrote,[...you simplify...Do you get that?...based on His promises in His book...don't oversimply us psych medication users...you can only make assumptions...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. If I simplify this whole thing about psychiatry and psych drugs, what does the simplfication that you are talking about boil down to?
B. In ,[...I don't feel connected...Do you get that?...], I am unsure as to what you are referring to as to the {that} that you are asking me if I get. How is the {connected} associated with the {that}, if it is connected, that you ask if I get?
C. In,[...promises in His book...] what are the promises and which book?
D. In,[...you can {only} make assuumptions...], what is your rationale for precluding, if the word {only} is used by you to preclude all others except an assumption, that I can not make a conclusion or something else other than an assumption?
E others
Lou
Posted by Laney on February 10, 2011, at 19:40:31
In reply to Lou's reply-klzdmyd » Laney, posted by Lou Pilder on February 10, 2011, at 16:19:53
Lou,
I'll do my best to answer your questions.
A. If I simplify this whole thing about psychiatry and psych drugs, what does the simplfication that you are talking about boil down to?
That if we would just get the Lord/God in our lives then we could be free of whatever is troubling us. We could stop looking for earthly answers to our questions about why we're having such difficulties.
B. In ,[...I don't feel connected...Do you get that?...], I am unsure as to what you are referring to as to the {that} that you are asking me if I get. How is the {connected} associated with the {that}, if it is connected, that you ask if I get?I mean do you understand that some people can't just get over it - whatever difficulties they're facing emotionally, mentally or physically simply by reading God's word or praying for help.
C. In,[...promises in His book...] what are the promises and which book?
The book would be the Bible and the promises would be that if we trust in Jesus and have confessed our sins, then we can know for certain He hears us and that we are His even if we can't feel it. It's based on His promise.
D. In,[...you can {only} make assuumptions...], what is your rationale for precluding, if the word {only} is used by you to preclude all others except an assumption, that I can not make a conclusion or something else other than an assumption?That was confusing so I'll skip that one for now.
E others
So basically what is it that you are trying to accomplish here on PB?Laney
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 12, 2011, at 6:18:54
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-klzdmyd, posted by Laney on February 10, 2011, at 19:40:31
> Lou,
>
> I'll do my best to answer your questions.
>
> A. If I simplify this whole thing about psychiatry and psych drugs, what does the simplfication that you are talking about boil down to?
>
> That if we would just get the Lord/God in our lives then we could be free of whatever is troubling us. We could stop looking for earthly answers to our questions about why we're having such difficulties.
>
>
> B. In ,[...I don't feel connected...Do you get that?...], I am unsure as to what you are referring to as to the {that} that you are asking me if I get. How is the {connected} associated with the {that}, if it is connected, that you ask if I get?
>
> I mean do you understand that some people can't just get over it - whatever difficulties they're facing emotionally, mentally or physically simply by reading God's word or praying for help.
>
> C. In,[...promises in His book...] what are the promises and which book?
>
> The book would be the Bible and the promises would be that if we trust in Jesus and have confessed our sins, then we can know for certain He hears us and that we are His even if we can't feel it. It's based on His promise.
>
>
> D. In,[...you can {only} make assuumptions...], what is your rationale for precluding, if the word {only} is used by you to preclude all others except an assumption, that I can not make a conclusion or something else other than an assumption?
>
> That was confusing so I'll skip that one for now.
>
> E others
>
>
> So basically what is it that you are trying to accomplish here on PB?
>
> LaneyLaney,
You wrote a reply to me for part A. I am unsure as to how you arrived at your answer to my request and if you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A2. In, [...if we get..God in our lives we could be free of whatever is troubling us...We could stop looking for earthly answers...], this is your reply to my question as to what you think what I am saying here boils down to about psychiatric drugs and such.
Now what I am requesting is for you to post a link to any post of mine here that has some indiction of that. Then I could see how one could arrive at what you have posted here and respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 12, 2011, at 6:30:24
In reply to Lou's reply- » Laney, posted by Lou Pilder on February 12, 2011, at 6:18:54
> > Lou,
> >
> > I'll do my best to answer your questions.
> >
> > A. If I simplify this whole thing about psychiatry and psych drugs, what does the simplfication that you are talking about boil down to?
> >
> > That if we would just get the Lord/God in our lives then we could be free of whatever is troubling us. We could stop looking for earthly answers to our questions about why we're having such difficulties.
> >
> >
> > B. In ,[...I don't feel connected...Do you get that?...], I am unsure as to what you are referring to as to the {that} that you are asking me if I get. How is the {connected} associated with the {that}, if it is connected, that you ask if I get?
> >
> > I mean do you understand that some people can't just get over it - whatever difficulties they're facing emotionally, mentally or physically simply by reading God's word or praying for help.
> >
> > C. In,[...promises in His book...] what are the promises and which book?
> >
> > The book would be the Bible and the promises would be that if we trust in Jesus and have confessed our sins, then we can know for certain He hears us and that we are His even if we can't feel it. It's based on His promise.
> >
> >
> > D. In,[...you can {only} make assuumptions...], what is your rationale for precluding, if the word {only} is used by you to preclude all others except an assumption, that I can not make a conclusion or something else other than an assumption?
> >
> > That was confusing so I'll skip that one for now.
> >
> > E others
> >
> >
> > So basically what is it that you are trying to accomplish here on PB?
> >
> > Laney
>
> Laney,
> You wrote a reply to me for part A. I am unsure as to how you arrived at your answer to my request and if you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A2. In, [...if we get..God in our lives we could be free of whatever is troubling us...We could stop looking for earthly answers...], this is your reply to my question as to what you think what I am saying here boils down to about psychiatric drugs and such.
> Now what I am requesting is for you to post a link to any post of mine here that has some indiction of that. Then I could see how one could arrive at what you have posted here and respond accordingly.
> Lou
>
Laney,
To continue the above, I am unsure as to what links to posts here can or can not be posted. So if you could send any link to Mr. Hsiung for approval before you post it, if you are going to do so, that could settle any doubt as to if it can be posted here or not.
Lou
Posted by BetweenDreams81 on February 20, 2011, at 0:34:32
In reply to Re: to Christ_empowered, posted by Laney on February 10, 2011, at 12:32:06
All of these trials and sufferings will someday (sometimes not soon enough) fade away and we will make the trade beauty for ashes.
Really?!? This is a very poetic line that romaticizes death and the assumed afterlife...but I really think this type of statement makes life and belief in this type of religion seem like such a cop out...that one can do whatever, commit murder and just because he/she trusts in God/Jesus and asks for forgiveness that all is right in the world and the "next life" will be beautiful.
If you haven't guessed already, I am not Christian, and I do have a hard time with the word "God" How can anyone put their lives in the hands of a book they cal "THE word" when it has been translated thousands upon thousands of times from all languages. There are words in many languages that have no equivalent translation, so I am certain there is much that has been lost in translation. Please, for all your own sake LOOK at life, LOOK in awe at the beauty and contrast in life her NOW, in THIS moment...the present moment is the only one you have. If there is a "god" it is the oneness and connectedness of life and the continuous/unending cycle which happens with or with out a book or a belief to tell you how you "should" live and what will happen if you do or do not "obey" by the tennets of a religion. There is much to be taken from the book to learn from and apply to life, but to make it the only thing one LIVES by...you are missing so much and the expansiveness (is that a word?! lol) of thought and opportunities around you.
As far as drugs go...well, it seems it is an Alice in Wonderland world of experience with lots of ups and downs. But there are plenty of reasons that they be made available and taken...and that is for the simple reason if only for connection and understanding with the people in this world. Every walk of life deserves to feel and experience love, and that is one hard thing to do when you shut the lights out to the rest of the world (or if it feels like the world has shut them out on you), stuck in a mind that swings from high to low with very little reprieve in between, the damaging words and actions that are imparted on oneself or others. these things are all part of a disconnection to life around us.
So, you choose to live with what you've got and not take any drugs (plenty do), take meds and perhaps have to deal with side effects and the run-around of finding the right chemical balance, or decide to turn yourself into ashes. The point is YOU CHOOSE. You have a choice. It's that simple. And right now, what's offered as a pharmecuetical candy shop might not be the best fit...and I agree the pharma needs a lot of work...there should never be a question about one's ability to afford a drug before they are able to take it. There should be much more research done on naturally derrived solutions or preventions. Forums like these and the Alternative board can be incredibly helpful. So hopefully, you choose to live life and attempt to reverse the brain damage with more natural alternatives with much success.
To life, love, and happiness....sooner rather than later.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 20, 2011, at 12:47:46
In reply to To OP and Re: to Christ_empowered » Laney, posted by BetweenDreams81 on February 20, 2011, at 0:34:32
> All of these trials and sufferings will someday (sometimes not soon enough) fade away and we will make the trade beauty for ashes.
>
> Really?!? This is a very poetic line that romaticizes death and the assumed afterlife...but I really think this type of statement makes life and belief in this type of religion seem like such a cop out...that one can do whatever, commit murder and just because he/she trusts in God/Jesus and asks for forgiveness that all is right in the world and the "next life" will be beautiful.
>
> If you haven't guessed already, I am not Christian, and I do have a hard time with the word "God" How can anyone put their lives in the hands of a book they cal "THE word" when it has been translated thousands upon thousands of times from all languages. There are words in many languages that have no equivalent translation, so I am certain there is much that has been lost in translation. Please, for all your own sake LOOK at life, LOOK in awe at the beauty and contrast in life her NOW, in THIS moment...the present moment is the only one you have. If there is a "god" it is the oneness and connectedness of life and the continuous/unending cycle which happens with or with out a book or a belief to tell you how you "should" live and what will happen if you do or do not "obey" by the tennets of a religion. There is much to be taken from the book to learn from and apply to life, but to make it the only thing one LIVES by...you are missing so much and the expansiveness (is that a word?! lol) of thought and opportunities around you.
>
> As far as drugs go...well, it seems it is an Alice in Wonderland world of experience with lots of ups and downs. But there are plenty of reasons that they be made available and taken...and that is for the simple reason if only for connection and understanding with the people in this world. Every walk of life deserves to feel and experience love, and that is one hard thing to do when you shut the lights out to the rest of the world (or if it feels like the world has shut them out on you), stuck in a mind that swings from high to low with very little reprieve in between, the damaging words and actions that are imparted on oneself or others. these things are all part of a disconnection to life around us.
>
> So, you choose to live with what you've got and not take any drugs (plenty do), take meds and perhaps have to deal with side effects and the run-around of finding the right chemical balance, or decide to turn yourself into ashes. The point is YOU CHOOSE. You have a choice. It's that simple. And right now, what's offered as a pharmecuetical candy shop might not be the best fit...and I agree the pharma needs a lot of work...there should never be a question about one's ability to afford a drug before they are able to take it. There should be much more research done on naturally derrived solutions or preventions. Forums like these and the Alternative board can be incredibly helpful. So hopefully, you choose to live life and attempt to reverse the brain damage with more natural alternatives with much success.
>
> To life, love, and happiness....sooner rather than later.BD81,
I am unsure as to what your basis is for some of your statements here to Laney. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
In:[...this type of statement makes life and belief in this type of religion seem like such a cop out...that one can do whatever, commit murder and just because he/she trusts in God/Jesus and asks for forgiveness that all is right in the world and the "next life" will be beautiful...].
Now the statement that you cite here by Laney is:[...All of these..sufferings will someday..fade away...the trade beauty for ashes...].
Now there is a verse that uses that symbolism in the scriptures that the Jews use. My first question is:
A. Where did Laney say, if at all, that one could commit murder and the next life will be beautiful?
Lou
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