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Posted by Tabitha on January 25, 2011, at 3:55:49
Anything? I think I need another trip on the medication merry-go-round. I've been off psych meds since 2009. I was getting a boost from an unconventional hormone treatment (timed release T3 hormone), but I can't cope with the alt-med thing anymore. There's just no long-term safety data on it, my blood levels with the treatment make normal docs freak out, and I'm tired of the alterna-doc pushing a whole boatload of additional unproven treatments on me every time I visit. I hoped the whole thing was placebo effect, but now that I'm tapering off it, I'm regressing. If I'm not going to do this route, I need something else.
I so hope there's something I haven't already tried and found to be either (a) ineffective or (b) somewhat effective but intolerable side effects over the long term. But I doubt it.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2011, at 5:59:44
In reply to What's new for depression/bipolar II?, posted by Tabitha on January 25, 2011, at 3:55:49
> Anything? I think I need another trip on the medication merry-go-round. I've been off psych meds since 2009. I was getting a boost from an unconventional hormone treatment (timed release T3 hormone), but I can't cope with the alt-med thing anymore. There's just no long-term safety data on it, my blood levels with the treatment make normal docs freak out, and I'm tired of the alterna-doc pushing a whole boatload of additional unproven treatments on me every time I visit. I hoped the whole thing was placebo effect, but now that I'm tapering off it, I'm regressing. If I'm not going to do this route, I need something else.
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> I so hope there's something I haven't already tried and found to be either (a) ineffective or (b) somewhat effective but intolerable side effects over the long term. But I doubt it.
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Tabitha,
You wrote,[...I hope there's something I haven't already tried...].
For thousands of years, people have sought to find a drug that would alter their moods to make them feel good. And there are drugs that do that, as from injesting opium, to drinking wine, to inhalents of weeds, chewing cocoa leaves, and taking in chemicles from other sources.
There are synthetic substances that mimic the natural substances from plants and such, like industrial solvents, chemicals used in rocket fuel, insecticides, and dyes and such that have an effect on the mind when taken. These chemicals act on the nervous system in that they could speed up or slow down or alter the way the nerves function in some way that could be unbeknownst to those that take them, or to those that manufcture the chemicals or even to those that prescribe them to others.
Now one could go to extremes with all kinds of schemes that could fall apart at the seams, while risking death or obtaining a life-ruining condition from taking psychotropic drugs.
You see, we also have a heart that we are born with that can be addressed like the nervous system but without taking psychotropic drugs. So something that you may not have tried, that you are hoping to find, could be to have a new heart.
This new heart could be a heart that is young, since it is new. A new heart could give you a new life, that could get more exciting with each passing day.
For those whose heart is in depression, could it not worth every treasure on earth to have a new heart?
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on January 25, 2011, at 11:01:21
In reply to What's new for depression/bipolar II?, posted by Tabitha on January 25, 2011, at 3:55:49
Tabitha haven't seen you name on the boards in a long time. As for the meds hoping that someone with same condition chimes in and no idea what you have taken in the past. Phillipa
Posted by Tabitha on January 25, 2011, at 12:41:25
In reply to Lou's reply-knuhrt » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2011, at 5:59:44
Wow, Lou, those are some interesting options. What do you mean by a new heart? Some kind of religious experience?
Posted by Tabitha on January 25, 2011, at 12:46:46
In reply to Re: What's new for depression/bipolar II? » Tabitha, posted by Phillipa on January 25, 2011, at 11:01:21
Hi Phillipa,
I was on AD's with or without mood stabilisers. Eventually I ended up on a half dose of celexa, which is where I stayed for many years before adding the T3 hormone. Then I dropped the celexa and seemed just as good or bettter on nothing but the T3 hormone. Now without the T3 I am thinking this is just too hard. I can function but every day is a struggle.Over the years I have been on deseryl, prozac, wellbutrin, serzone, effexor, celexa for ADs. Can't recall all the mood stabilisers, but I tried depakote, neurontin, tegretol. Also used seroquel and ambien as needed.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2011, at 15:19:34
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-knuhrt » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on January 25, 2011, at 12:41:25
> Wow, Lou, those are some interesting options. What do you mean by a new heart? Some kind of religious experience?
Tabitha,
You wrote,[...some interesting options...What do you mean by...?]
There is a way that seems natural to man to feel good by taking drugs. And to do so would be in what I call {human achievment}. People try, and they try, and they try, but some can't get no.
Now the drug route is through the nerves, by chemical means. The chemicals, though, can have a disasterous effect on the body and organs. They attack the liver and could kill the drug-taker, they attack the pancreas and can kill the insulin producing part and the person acquiers diabetes and could go blind and have their limbs amputated and could die from other complications.
But if one went through the heart instead of the nerves, they do not have a drug having the potential to kill them or give them a life-ruining condition.
Now the drug-taker goes to the doctor, then to the pharmacy and takes the drug(s) and waits for the hour that the expectation of the drug's effects is supposed to happen. But what happens? Does the person get a new heart, a new spirit that leads to an abundant life? Or does the effect of the drug(s) kill their spirit and their life becomes a living death so that they want to kill themselves or others? Does the drug open the gate to life or can the drug lead the person through a gate to their death?
Now when one gets a new heart, they have a new life. All things become new, old things pass away.
There is a choice. For in this day there is set before us life and death. There is set before us good and evil. There is set before us love and hate. There is set before us a new day to choose.
Now if we need to turn to a different music, a different song, and hear a different voice, the voice of life, the voice of life will not turn you away.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on January 25, 2011, at 19:18:43
In reply to Re: What's new for depression/bipolar II? » Phillipa, posted by Tabitha on January 25, 2011, at 12:46:46
Tabitha how does T3 help bipolar? Isn't it stimulating? Phillipa
Posted by Tabitha on January 25, 2011, at 23:32:41
In reply to Re: What's new for depression/bipolar II? » Tabitha, posted by Phillipa on January 25, 2011, at 19:18:43
> Tabitha how does T3 help bipolar? Isn't it stimulating? Phillipa
It seemed to help depression for me. I didn't feel overstimulated at all.
Here's some info on bipolar and thyroid http://www.psycheducation.org/thyroid/introduction.htm As this guy says the state of research is inconclusive at this point, and you won't find any data on long-term safety of it. Endocrinologists are dead set against it, they think it causes bone loss and heart problems.
Posted by Tabitha on January 25, 2011, at 23:52:33
In reply to Lou's reply-ehynupsng » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on January 25, 2011, at 15:19:34
Lou, I think you're saying that people should seek religious experiences instead of getting medical treatment for their mental health conditions. Is that your belief?
Posted by Phillipa on January 26, 2011, at 19:26:33
In reply to Re: What's new for depression/bipolar II? » Phillipa, posted by Tabitha on January 25, 2011, at 23:32:41
Tabitha thanks. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 26, 2011, at 20:42:47
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ehynupsng » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on January 25, 2011, at 23:52:33
> Lou, I think you're saying that people should seek religious experiences instead of getting medical treatment for their mental health conditions. Is that your belief?
Tabitha,
You wrote,[...getting medical treatment...]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to include as a medical treatment. If you could post what you consider to be and not to be medical tretments, then I could have the opportunity to respond ccordingly.
Lou
Posted by Tabitha on January 27, 2011, at 3:14:33
In reply to Lou's reply-mhdickilptreetmhnt? » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on January 26, 2011, at 20:42:47
Lou, do you take psych meds?
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