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all psychotropic drugs

Posted by kotoole7 on January 15, 2011, at 9:43:55

Look, I've been studying this for 32 years, thousands of case studies, and sure not everyone ingesting a toxic substance will suffer grave damage or jump out a window, or die from an adverse reaction, but the percent of people that do suffer these kinds of horricic consequenses is extraordinarily high, and I have to mention that anyone taking an class of psychotropic will suffer from real brain damage and hepatotoxicity.

If you couldn't leave your house, sure that is a problem, but one not needing a toxic drug to solve, that will only provide a short term 'relief' a lifetime of 'dependency' and other long term serious damage. Things like Diet, exercise would have given you a much better and long lasting result, without the danger and life long permanent damage caused by all psychotropic meds.

 

Re: all psychotropic drugs

Posted by europerep on January 15, 2011, at 13:13:43

In reply to all psychotropic drugs, posted by kotoole7 on January 15, 2011, at 9:43:55

> Things like Diet, exercise would have given you a much better and long lasting result

Well, if they would have, why didn't they? If you don't suffer from a mental illness, you don't know the whole picture.

 

Re: all psychotropic drugs

Posted by kotoole7 on January 15, 2011, at 17:04:33

In reply to Re: all psychotropic drugs, posted by europerep on January 15, 2011, at 13:13:43

I have to admit I've never suffered from chemically induced "mental illness" I know from many contacts with people suffering from toxic induced illnesses it is a very hard road until you get free of the very addictive (yes all psychotropics are extremely addictive despite the totally false marketing) psychotic drugs.

There is only one hope for anyone suffering from chemically induced disorders and that is get off the toxic chemically you are ingesting to treat the symptoms the toxic chemicals create. It really is a no win vicious cycle and it will never end until you get free of them. But, it's, as you may know, not an easy task. It is extremely dangerous to just stop taking psychotic meds, you have to slowly ween off, and the process to just stop all meds takes about 6 months, and as much as another two years before you body, brain and nervous system is completely free of all residue effects.

The tragedy here, almost all medical professionals will not work with you or help you in this process freeing yourself from their mega money cow drugs. If you need help or know someone who does let me know I have some resources.

 

Re: all psychotropic drugs » kotoole7

Posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2011, at 19:00:02

In reply to Re: all psychotropic drugs, posted by kotoole7 on January 15, 2011, at 17:04:33

Have we met before via this forum? Phillipa

 

jumpers

Posted by Elanor Roosevelt on January 15, 2011, at 19:50:09

In reply to Re: all psychotropic drugs » kotoole7, posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2011, at 19:00:02

Wow, you studied the records on 1,000 jumpers?

 

Lou's response-whrkrhm » kotoole7

Posted by Lou Pilder on January 15, 2011, at 20:08:17

In reply to all psychotropic drugs, posted by kotoole7 on January 15, 2011, at 9:43:55

> Look, I've been studying this for 32 years, thousands of case studies, and sure not everyone ingesting a toxic substance will suffer grave damage or jump out a window, or die from an adverse reaction, but the percent of people that do suffer these kinds of horricic consequenses is extraordinarily high, and I have to mention that anyone taking an class of psychotropic will suffer from real brain damage and hepatotoxicity.
>
> If you couldn't leave your house, sure that is a problem, but one not needing a toxic drug to solve, that will only provide a short term 'relief' a lifetime of 'dependency' and other long term serious damage. Things like Diet, exercise would have given you a much better and long lasting result, without the danger and life long permanent damage caused by all psychotropic meds.

kotoole7,
You wrote,[...studying this for 32 years...].
Here is a site that catalogs all the murders, suicides and such in relation to that the person was taking SSRIs.
To see this site,
A. pull up Google
B. Type in;
[SSRI Stories]
Now one will come up with a list. The first entry in the list is {most recent} (last 30 days).
I have also read a great number of cases or more concerning those that commited suicide on SSRIs and other drugs. And the drugs now carry a warning about that the drug could cause one to have mind-alterd state to kill themselves or others. So if a pewrson is suicidal and goes to a psychiarist, they could get a drug that could cause them to kill themselves or others?
Lou

 

Re: all psychotropic drugs

Posted by europerep on January 16, 2011, at 2:43:00

In reply to Re: all psychotropic drugs, posted by kotoole7 on January 15, 2011, at 17:04:33

> I have to admit I've never suffered from chemically induced "mental illness" I know from many contacts with people suffering from toxic induced illnesses it is a very hard road until you get free of the very addictive (yes all psychotropics are extremely addictive despite the totally false marketing) psychotic drugs.
>
> There is only one hope for anyone suffering from chemically induced disorders and that is get off the toxic chemically you are ingesting to treat the symptoms the toxic chemicals create. It really is a no win vicious cycle and it will never end until you get free of them. But, it's, as you may know, not an easy task. It is extremely dangerous to just stop taking psychotic meds, you have to slowly ween off, and the process to just stop all meds takes about 6 months, and as much as another two years before you body, brain and nervous system is completely free of all residue effects.
>
>

What is a psychotic drug? Not to be pedantic here, but for someone who claims to be an expert, you use strange words.

Also, it doesn't make sense to say that mental illness is caused by the drugs used to treat it. Why would anyone take them in the first place, if they didn't suffer from illness beforehand?

Lastly, claiming that all psychiatric drugs are addictive is just nonsense. You won't find a single person that stopped heroin without withdrawal (outside treatment), but you'll find a lot of people who stopped antidepressants (etc.) without any problem.

If you think mental illness, as an actual illness, doesn't exist, great. While psychiatry does have methodological shortcomings, your "theory" is of even much lesser quality (verifiability, falsifiability,...).

 

Re: all psychotropic drugs

Posted by kotoole7 on January 16, 2011, at 4:50:50

In reply to Re: all psychotropic drugs, posted by europerep on January 16, 2011, at 2:43:00

It would be a little odd to be pedantic in posts written in a small internet box, so thanks for the levity..

Psychotic is a fairly well know term, though I have to admit generally refers to episodes related to psychoanalysis. I use it sometime in place of psychotropic which refers to all drugs that affect the brain and nervous system.

One thing at a time.. First of all you nailed me! I dont believe for a second that something called mental illness exists. I know for a fact its entomology and can assure you there is no such thing as what is commonly called mental illness. With that said I understand your surface logic that it doesn't make sense mental illness is caused by the drugs used to treat it. See, I said the same thing back in 1979, and hence the start of the case studies. I will give you one of (rounded off) thousands. A very nice lady, widow, in her 50s just got a good job at a government facility here in the Kansas City area working the second shift. When she came in at 3 in the afternoon she had to park near the back of a massive parking lot and when she got off at 11pm he car was always fairly abandoned at the back of this lot.. She became paranoid of walking to her car and someone being in the back seat or jumping out of the dark and getting in her car as she was getting in. They had a camera surveillance of the lot but even with that there had been cases of women being attacked in their cars getting off work.

So yes, she was afraid of that possibility, and could easily be labeled paranoid. Her solution was to stack tied bundles of newspapers all the way up in the back seats and the passenger seat in her car, and when she saw those tied bundles in place she felt secure getting in and driving off that lot. On the weekends she would generally always remove the tied bundles but one weekend she just didn't think about it and went to a family function. Long story short her daughter in law noticed the papers in the car stacked near to the roof and concluded she was out of her mind. She then talked to the son, he agreed with his wife and they both started to insist she get help Since her good insurance covered it she reluctantly agreed to go in thinking she might be overreacting. The good doctor gave her a prescription of (back then) Valium; she had some of the typical adverse reactions to the drug, which lead to more visits; but the reactions to the drug convinced her son and daughter in law she was really sick and they eventually had her committed against her will. (this was back in the 1974, that would not happen today, she would just go on a string of up to five psychotropic meds). This very sane, wise and good woman is now finding herself in a mental institution against her will and she cant get out! The more she protest her sanity, the more she is deemed insane She finally after 5 years of trying to get free, is strong enough and wise enough to just play the game, act like she is taking her daily regiment of meds and eventually she is able to totally BS her way to being released, which almost never happened back then, she was an exceptionally strong willed women.

Sorry this is jumbled and very brief I would need several pages to do this case justice, but Im hoping you are getting the point, and maybe a little understanding of the labeling process that is associated with all case studies of mental illness.. . Someone behaves in a way others deem is not normal and then the labeling begins.. Soon followed by some class of drug treatment, which because of the very nature of any toxic drug on the brain and nervous system leads to further mental and reaction issues Horrible vicious cycle An example: the number one side effect of all depression meds is depression.

 

Re: all psychotropic drugs

Posted by kotoole7 on January 16, 2011, at 5:36:22

In reply to Re: all psychotropic drugs, posted by europerep on January 16, 2011, at 2:43:00

psychiatric drugs are addictive is just nonsense??

All psychotropic drugs are massively addictive, despite the out and out lie they are not in their billion dollars of marketing. Not in the same class of addition of something you shoot directly into a vain, but very addictive and very hard to free yourself of. If you know of someone that has got off a psychotropic med, they usually are taking other versions of psychotropic meds, but to get totally free of all psychotropic drug is very hard thing to do. If one does stop all psychotropic meds, they usually will end up using high levels of alcohol or some other form of illegal drug, commonly called in the MH filed 'self medicating'...

 

Re: all psychotropic drugs » kotoole7

Posted by emme on January 16, 2011, at 7:38:32

In reply to all psychotropic drugs, posted by kotoole7 on January 15, 2011, at 9:43:55

You have chosen to come to a mental health forum where people, in consultation with their doctors, have decided that medication is an appropriate component to treatment of their mental illness, and you preach against medications, making many generalizations. I am curious as to why. What is it you wish to accomplish?

I am one of those who has had success with medication. They are not perfect, but they've given me my life back. In the past, I've stopped a number of psych meds, including benzodiazepines, with no problems whatsoever. I doubt I'm the only one.

Exercise and diet are wonderful, but not always sufficient. I am very grateful for the relief I've gotten with medication. It has been crucial to my recovery.

I'm pretty busy right now, so this is likely the only post I'll have time to contribute to this thread.

Entomology is the study of insects.

emme

 

Re: all psychotropic drugs

Posted by kotoole7 on January 16, 2011, at 8:20:47

In reply to Re: all psychotropic drugs » kotoole7, posted by emme on January 16, 2011, at 7:38:32

Etymology is the the study of words and their origins.. I don't think I typo'ed, may have or just clicked on a spell ck word by mistake.. forgive me.

.. It sounds like you're a very busy person but I would encourage you to read my posts typed in these little boxes on this "Psycho-Babble Medication" forum.. My "purpose" should become very clear, saving lives and your good health is my foremost concern..

 

Lou's response-difficult days

Posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2011, at 8:41:07

In reply to Lou's response-whrkrhm » kotoole7, posted by Lou Pilder on January 15, 2011, at 20:08:17

> > Look, I've been studying this for 32 years, thousands of case studies, and sure not everyone ingesting a toxic substance will suffer grave damage or jump out a window, or die from an adverse reaction, but the percent of people that do suffer these kinds of horricic consequenses is extraordinarily high, and I have to mention that anyone taking an class of psychotropic will suffer from real brain damage and hepatotoxicity.
> >
> > If you couldn't leave your house, sure that is a problem, but one not needing a toxic drug to solve, that will only provide a short term 'relief' a lifetime of 'dependency' and other long term serious damage. Things like Diet, exercise would have given you a much better and long lasting result, without the danger and life long permanent damage caused by all psychotropic meds.
>
> kotoole7,
> You wrote,[...studying this for 32 years...].
> Here is a site that catalogs all the murders, suicides and such in relation to that the person was taking SSRIs.
> To see this site,
> A. pull up Google
> B. Type in;
> [SSRI Stories]
> Now one will come up with a list. The first entry in the list is {most recent} (last 30 days).
> I have also read a great number of cases or more concerning those that commited suicide on SSRIs and other drugs. And the drugs now carry a warning about that the drug could cause one to have mind-alterd state to kill themselves or others. So if a pewrson is suicidal and goes to a psychiarist, they could get a drug that could cause them to kill themselves or others?
> Lou

ktoole7,
Here is a man that is a psychoatrist that stood out from his peers and now others are considering his work as pioneering to save lives and overcome the establishment.
Lou
To see a video with him,
A. Bring up Google
B. Type in,
[Peter Breggin MD Psychiatric drugs part 1]
it is an interview with O'Rielly
Then there is another man, a man that did not accept what the establishment said was to be...a man that knew it would be difficult to overcome, but would.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0FiCxZKuv8

 

Re: all psychotropic drugs

Posted by kotoole7 on January 16, 2011, at 8:45:29

In reply to Re: all psychotropic drugs, posted by europerep on January 15, 2011, at 13:13:43

Just one more note, once you take a psychotropic drug you are right about diet and exercise.

All the exercise and diet in the world will not correct the many adverse effects these meds will continue to have on your mind and body, eventually leading to things like hepatotoxicity where you will be forced to transfer to ECT treatments..

Please know that anyone on psychotropic meds who would like a good, normal and healthy life simply needs to start weening yourself completely free of their holds on you life. This is not by any means easy, but very doable.. and takes months into years before you will be complete free of their residue effects... But yes anyone can get free of their hold and can live a great healthy and well life...

 

Re: Lou's response-difficult days

Posted by kotoole7 on January 16, 2011, at 8:56:55

In reply to Lou's response-difficult days, posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2011, at 8:41:07

Dr.Peter Breggin, I never heard of before, great video.. I think there is about 4 of us world wide, but I'm sure there is more, good to hear and that other man that 'overcame' a major hero of mine, and this is one of my favorite quote of his:

In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. Martin Luther King, Jr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lXUOnn5PiQ

 

Re: all psychotropic drugs

Posted by kotoole7 on January 16, 2011, at 9:00:54

In reply to Re: all psychotropic drugs » kotoole7, posted by emme on January 16, 2011, at 7:38:32

Few people know that Marilyn Monroe was being treated by two of the most noted psychologist and psychiatrist in the world at that time of her death: Anna Freud (daughter of Sigmund) and Dr. Ralph Greenson, they were making a special case out of Marilyn knowing that if they could conform her to what people could deem as normalcy they would gain a massive level of creditability in their two fields of psychoanalysis and psychiatry. Ralphie boy actually got Marilyn the home she lived in near his as part of her treatment.. Well, we all know mans best laid plans But most people dont know the direct role these two pillars of the psych filed played in her demise. Marilyns ex-husband Arthur Miller said something extraordinarily wise after her untimely death:

My argument with so much of psychoanalysis, is the preconception that suffering is a mistake, or a sign of weakness, or a sign even of illness, when in fact, possibly the greatest truths we know have come out of people's suffering.

 

Lou's response-a new song

Posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2011, at 9:22:21

In reply to Lou's response-difficult days, posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2011, at 8:41:07

> > > Look, I've been studying this for 32 years, thousands of case studies, and sure not everyone ingesting a toxic substance will suffer grave damage or jump out a window, or die from an adverse reaction, but the percent of people that do suffer these kinds of horricic consequenses is extraordinarily high, and I have to mention that anyone taking an class of psychotropic will suffer from real brain damage and hepatotoxicity.
> > >
> > > If you couldn't leave your house, sure that is a problem, but one not needing a toxic drug to solve, that will only provide a short term 'relief' a lifetime of 'dependency' and other long term serious damage. Things like Diet, exercise would have given you a much better and long lasting result, without the danger and life long permanent damage caused by all psychotropic meds.
> >
> > kotoole7,
> > You wrote,[...studying this for 32 years...].
> > Here is a site that catalogs all the murders, suicides and such in relation to that the person was taking SSRIs.
> > To see this site,
> > A. pull up Google
> > B. Type in;
> > [SSRI Stories]
> > Now one will come up with a list. The first entry in the list is {most recent} (last 30 days).
> > I have also read a great number of cases or more concerning those that commited suicide on SSRIs and other drugs. And the drugs now carry a warning about that the drug could cause one to have mind-alterd state to kill themselves or others. So if a pewrson is suicidal and goes to a psychiarist, they could get a drug that could cause them to kill themselves or others?
> > Lou
>
> ktoole7,
> Here is a man that is a psychoatrist that stood out from his peers and now others are considering his work as pioneering to save lives and overcome the establishment.
> Lou
> To see a video with him,
> A. Bring up Google
> B. Type in,
> [Peter Breggin MD Psychiatric drugs part 1]
> it is an interview with O'Rielly
> Then there is another man, a man that did not accept what the establishment said was to be...a man that knew it would be difficult to overcome, but would.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0FiCxZKuv8

kotoole7,
(redacted by respondent)
Lou,
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20090921/msgs/918178.html

 

Re: all psychotropic drugs

Posted by kotoole7 on January 16, 2011, at 9:49:19

In reply to Re: all psychotropic drugs, posted by kotoole7 on January 16, 2011, at 4:50:50

> It would be a little odd to be pedantic in posts written in a small internet box, so thanks for the levity..
>
> Psychotic is a fairly well know term, though I have to admit generally refers to episodes related to psychoanalysis. I use it sometime in place of psychotropic which refers to all drugs that affect the brain and nervous system.
>
> One thing at a time.. First of all you nailed me! I dont believe for a second that something called mental illness exists. I know for a fact its etymology and can assure you there is no such thing as what is commonly called mental illness. With that said I understand your surface logic that it doesn't make sense mental illness is caused by the drugs used to treat it. See, I said the same thing back in 1979, and hence the start of the case studies. I will give you one of (rounded off) thousands. A very nice lady, widow, in her 50s just got a good job at a government facility here in the Kansas City area working the second shift. When she came in at 3 in the afternoon she had to park near the back of a massive parking lot and when she got off at 11pm he car was always fairly abandoned at the back of this lot.. She became paranoid of walking to her car and someone being in the back seat or jumping out of the dark and getting in her car as she was getting in. They had a camera surveillance of the lot but even with that there had been cases of women being attacked in their cars getting off work.
>
> So yes, she was afraid of that possibility, and could easily be labeled paranoid. Her solution was to stack tied bundles of newspapers all the way up in the back seats and the passenger seat in her car, and when she saw those tied bundles in place she felt secure getting in and driving off that lot. On the weekends she would generally always remove the tied bundles but one weekend she just didn't think about it and went to a family function. Long story short her daughter in law noticed the papers in the car stacked near to the roof and concluded she was out of her mind. She then talked to the son, he agreed with his wife and they both started to insist she get help Since her good insurance covered it she reluctantly agreed to go in thinking she might be overreacting. The good doctor gave her a prescription of (back then) Valium; she had some of the typical adverse reactions to the drug, which lead to more visits; but the reactions to the drug convinced her son and daughter in law she was really sick and they eventually had her committed against her will. (this was back in the 1974, that would not happen today, she would just go on a string of up to five psychotropic meds). This very sane, wise and good woman is now finding herself in a mental institution against her will and she cant get out! The more she protest her sanity, the more she is deemed insane She finally after 5 years of trying to get free, is strong enough and wise enough to just play the game, act like she is taking her daily regiment of meds and eventually she is able to totally BS her way to being released, which almost never happened back then, she was an exceptionally strong willed women.
>
> Sorry this is jumbled and very brief I would need several pages to do this case justice, but Im hoping you are getting the point, and maybe a little understanding of the labeling process that is associated with all case studies of mental illness.. . Someone behaves in a way others deem is not normal and then the labeling begins.. Soon followed by some class of drug treatment, which because of the very nature of any toxic drug on the brain and nervous system leads to further mental and reaction issues Horrible vicious cycle An example: the number one side effect of all depression meds is depression.
>

 

Re: all psychotropic drugs

Posted by sigismund on January 16, 2011, at 12:45:23

In reply to Re: all psychotropic drugs, posted by kotoole7 on January 16, 2011, at 9:00:54

>My argument with so much of psychoanalysis, is the preconception that suffering is a mistake, or a sign of weakness, or a sign even of illness, when in fact, possibly the greatest truths we know have come out of people's suffering.

The analytic therapy I did never suggested that. It was pretty reasonable on suffering. Maybe American analysis was more optimistic and believed that suffering could somehow be prevented?

 

Re: all psychotropic drugs

Posted by ed_uk2010 on January 19, 2011, at 16:17:58

In reply to all psychotropic drugs, posted by kotoole7 on January 15, 2011, at 9:43:55

>I have to mention that anyone taking any class of psychotropic will suffer from real brain damage and hepatotoxicity.

Since you have been studying for 32 years, perhaps it would be enlightening if you could post a link to a study which demonstrates that all patients on psychotropic medication (of any type) suffer hepatotoxicity.


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