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Posted by merpmerp on November 27, 2010, at 21:54:12
In reply to Re: Do you think psych drugs cause the very problems, posted by morgan miller on November 26, 2010, at 16:22:41
This is so true. When I was on Prozac the first time, 5 years ago, I felt perfect. I had never heard of this site and would never have thought to look because I was out living my life and getting stuff done, not scouring the Internet for info.
> Also, be aware of making judgements solely based on what you read on the internet. Remember, there are thousands of people doing very well currently on a medication or long after stopping a medication, that you don't hear about because they are just going on with their lives and feel not need to get on the internet and say, "Hey everyone out there! I'm doing great and life is wonderful!". You will find some of those people on sites that are made for medication reviews.
Posted by Phillipa on November 27, 2010, at 22:02:34
In reply to Re: Do you think psych drugs cause the very problems » morgan miller, posted by merpmerp on November 27, 2010, at 21:54:12
Same here with the paxil at l0mg and benzos then quit and back to extremly low benzo doses that the doc said were placebo as so low. Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 28, 2010, at 7:30:40
In reply to Re: Do you think psych drugs cause the very problems, posted by violette on November 27, 2010, at 15:18:08
>I was much better off - in all areas of my life - prior to taking psychiatric drugs. Like some here, I haven't been the same since.
Personally, I was better off in some ways, but worse off in other ways. It's been a mixed bag.
Posted by merpmerp on November 28, 2010, at 10:45:55
In reply to Re: Do you think psych drugs cause the very problems » merpmerp, posted by Phillipa on November 27, 2010, at 22:02:34
Wish I had never quit my Prozac. Specifically I wish I had never quit the specific generic brand I was on. But, I would have had to come off it anyway as I moved and I don't think it's available here. Well I learned my lesson and when I find something that works that well again, nothing will take it from me! :)
Posted by morgan miller on November 28, 2010, at 12:57:17
In reply to Re: Do you think psych drugs cause the very problems, posted by merpmerp on November 28, 2010, at 10:45:55
> Wish I had never quit my Prozac. Specifically I wish I had never quit the specific generic brand I was on. But, I would have had to come off it anyway as I moved and I don't think it's available here. Well I learned my lesson and when I find something that works that well again, nothing will take it from me! :)
I right there with ya. I wish I had never quit Zoloft when I did. Quitting your med is like taking the bandaging off deep wide oozing wound.
I do think psych meds may cause permanent changes in some cases. What I don't think people realize is when they quit the medication that was working because they just want to be off medication, they leave themselves vulnerable to severe depression and anxiety-two things that also may cause permanent changes. Another thing I do not think people are taking into account is the fact that our brains are changing as we age, minus any medication or mental illness.
Posted by Jeroen on November 28, 2010, at 13:27:53
In reply to Do you think psych drugs cause the very problems, posted by Laney on November 25, 2010, at 12:12:24
hi, yes i took lamictal when i was feeling ok, but not myself
and after a week i got permanent brain damage
lamictal induced psychotic (permanent) TD
Posted by merpmerp on November 28, 2010, at 14:19:17
In reply to Re: Do you think psych drugs cause the very problems, posted by morgan miller on November 28, 2010, at 12:57:17
To quote Crazymeds: "You feel better BECAUSE THE MEDS ARE WORKING! It is not (necessarily) because you have been cured."
You are correct that depression and anxiety can cause permanent damage. I will stick with meds as long as they stick with me.
Posted by morgan miller on November 28, 2010, at 16:26:45
In reply to lamictal induced psychotic (permanent) TD, posted by Jeroen on November 28, 2010, at 13:27:53
> hi, yes i took lamictal when i was feeling ok, but not myself
>
> and after a week i got permanent brain damage
>
> lamictal induced psychotic (permanent) TDDo you think it's possible lamictal triggered something in you that may have also been triggered by something else?
Do you believe Lamictal and Lamictal only is the cause of your current issues?
Posted by Jeroen on November 28, 2010, at 16:36:38
In reply to Re: lamictal induced psychotic (permanent) TD, posted by morgan miller on November 28, 2010, at 16:26:45
i'm sure its was the lamictal :(
Posted by morgan miller on November 28, 2010, at 16:54:33
In reply to Re: lamictal induced psychotic (permanent) TD, posted by Jeroen on November 28, 2010, at 16:36:38
I'm not saying lamictal didn't trigger whatever it is you are struggling with now. What I am suggesting is that what you are struggling withi may have been something inside you already could have been triggered by something else, not just lamictal.
Posted by Jeroen on November 28, 2010, at 17:10:32
In reply to Re: lamictal induced psychotic (permanent) TD » Jeroen, posted by morgan miller on November 28, 2010, at 16:54:33
yes possible, but lamictal made my psychosis from normal to acute and permanent so i need to take meds until i die
Posted by morgan miller on November 28, 2010, at 17:19:08
In reply to Re: lamictal induced psychotic (permanent) TD, posted by Jeroen on November 28, 2010, at 17:10:32
Well most of us need the meds for the rest of our lives, it's just a matter of finding the right ones.
Sorry you had such a bad experience with Lamictal. My experience was not a good one. I wonder if Lamictal left me worse off, but it's really hard to tell in my case.
Posted by huxley on November 28, 2010, at 23:19:13
In reply to Re: lamictal induced psychotic (permanent) TD, posted by morgan miller on November 28, 2010, at 17:19:08
Its written on the warning sheet that SSRIs can cause,
Agitation
Irritation
Depression
Anxiety
Suicidal thoughtsand much much more.
People who have never had a problem with any of this have taken SSRIs and developed these problems for the first time.I think there is a pretty good body of evidence out there to suggest that they are indeed causing alot of these problems in people.
And then doctors are medicating people for these side effects.
Posted by morgan miller on November 28, 2010, at 23:32:12
In reply to Re: lamictal induced psychotic (permanent) TD, posted by huxley on November 28, 2010, at 23:19:13
> Its written on the warning sheet that SSRIs can cause,
>
> Agitation
> Irritation
> Depression
> Anxiety
> Suicidal thoughts
>
> and much much more.
> People who have never had a problem with any of this have taken SSRIs and developed these problems for the first time.
>
> I think there is a pretty good body of evidence out there to suggest that they are indeed causing alot of these problems in people.
>
> And then doctors are medicating people for these side effects.
>
>Sure this can happen with some people. You were talking like antidepressants damaged everyone that took them.
Posted by huxley on November 28, 2010, at 23:44:18
In reply to Re: Do you think psych drugs cause the very problems, posted by morgan miller on November 26, 2010, at 16:22:41
> >I am constantly amazed that others can't see this. Its almost like an addiction.
>
> This is partially due to the fact that others are not worse off after medication use. You does not equal everyone.
>
> Also, be aware of making judgements solely based on what you read on the internet. Remember, there are thousands of people doing very well currently on a medication or long after stopping a medication, that you don't hear about because they are just going on with their lives and feel not need to get on the internet and say, "Hey everyone out there! I'm doing great and life is wonderful!". You will find some of those people on sites that are made for medication reviews.
>
> >And they don't work. They might for a while but in the end you end up worse than you were in the beginning.
> .
> Again, that is YOU, not everyone.
>
> I'm sorry you have gone through hell with medications. You just have to realize though, that there are many out there doing just fine on medication, and doing just fine for a very very long time. Maybe it's easier for you to think that everyone will be worse off just like you are.
>
> Morgan
>
>
>Hi Morgan,
In your post you have inferred that
-'I want people to be worse of just like I am'
-'I think I am everyone'
-'I believe everything I read on the internet'All borderline petty insults.. I really couldn't be bothered with this type of personal rubbish.
If you want to discuss the issue thats cool but if you want to get upset and resort to this then I have no time for you.
Posted by huxley on November 28, 2010, at 23:57:07
In reply to Re: lamictal induced psychotic (permanent) TD, posted by morgan miller on November 28, 2010, at 23:32:12
> > Its written on the warning sheet that SSRIs can cause,
> >
> > Agitation
> > Irritation
> > Depression
> > Anxiety
> > Suicidal thoughts
> >
> > and much much more.
> > People who have never had a problem with any of this have taken SSRIs and developed these problems for the first time.
> >
> > I think there is a pretty good body of evidence out there to suggest that they are indeed causing alot of these problems in people.
> >
> > And then doctors are medicating people for these side effects.
> >
> >
>
> Sure this can happen with some people. You were talking like antidepressants damaged everyone that took them.Was it the part where I said
' I have no doubt in my mind that my problems '
or was it
'Alot of people (not all) suffer massive problems withdrawing'
Or maybe this part?
'meds have gotten me'
'meds have caused my '
Sure a few of the things I stated in there were in a general sense. I didn't know I had to put everything I said into the context of being my personal view. Thought people would be able to figure that part out themselves ;)
You sure don't a couple of posts back you were saying that nearly everyone in here will need to be on psych meds for the rest of their lives.....
practice what you preach.
Posted by morgan miller on November 29, 2010, at 0:30:00
In reply to Re: Do you think psych drugs cause the very problems, posted by huxley on November 25, 2010, at 16:21:31
>The problem is, once you are on you are on. ITs often a very hard road to wind back.
>And they don't work. They might for a while but in the end you end up worse than you were in the beginning.
These two statements specifically inferred that the same applies to everyone that is or has been on psychiatric medications.
Look, I understand your reaction to my post. I understand you are angry about the imperfect world of psychiatry. I also understand I may have communicated in an attacking way and could have made my point more productively. I just want to make sure that people understand that there is another world of people out there that currently take or have taken psychiatric medications without experiencing any of the issues you and others discuss here and elsewhere on the internet.
Morgan
Posted by FluffMama on November 29, 2010, at 1:05:50
In reply to Re: lamictal induced psychotic (permanent) TD, posted by Jeroen on November 28, 2010, at 17:10:32
> yes possible, but lamictal made my psychosis from normal to acute and permanent so i need to take meds until i die
Jeroem, I think you can rest easy about Lamictal causing a psychotic state to last permanently. There is no recorded instance of this taking place, and instead, Lamictal is given to patients to help them with psychotic episodes and keep the episodes from recurring. A psychotic episode is never considered normal, and it is taken very seriously. So once you have an episode, Lamictal is prescribed to prevent another one. In other words, if you have one psychotic episode, you demonstrate to the Doctor that you are vulnerable to this type of disorder, and since nobody wants to see psychotic episodes repeated, you do end up on a medication for "life" so to speak. I am also on Lamictal for Bipolar disorder and it is a great mood stabilizer, but I don't like having to take it either for the rest of my life. But I guess diabetics and other people with different health problems have to take meds for the rest of their lives too, so I try to not think about it.
Posted by Jeroen on November 29, 2010, at 4:39:49
In reply to Lamictal induced psychotic (permanent) ?, posted by FluffMama on November 29, 2010, at 1:05:50
well, there you are a little wrong,
lamictal side effect profile sais 1% or 0.1% gets psychosis from lamictal
Posted by FluffMama on November 29, 2010, at 21:38:24
In reply to To Fluffmama, posted by Jeroen on November 29, 2010, at 4:39:49
> well, there you are a little wrong,
>
> lamictal side effect profile sais 1% or 0.1% gets psychosis from lamictalI'm sorry - I was under the impression that you were already suffering from Psychosis. In that case, the Lamictal given to you for treatment of that episode would not have caused psychosis to be permanent, it would just be recommended so you didn't suffer another episode.
But what you were saying is that you were having one psychotic EPISODE and that when you were given Lamictal your episode became permanent and you were constantly psychotic without letup?
Posted by Jeroen on November 30, 2010, at 1:59:00
In reply to Re: To Fluffmama, posted by FluffMama on November 29, 2010, at 21:38:24
i took lamictal 3 years ago, in hope of getting better, i was so excited to try a new med
i heared it was also good for psychosis like you're saying...
but the first time i took it i got a psychotic reaction to it, i kept taking it for a week because the evening i felt good, my mood improved, but i ended up having a psychosis from it that is going on for 3-4 years now
i have to take 2 anti psychotics and somethimes that still isnt enough, its blocking 70% lets say of the bad med reaction ;(
Posted by FluffMama on December 1, 2010, at 1:51:39
In reply to Re: To Fluffmama, posted by Jeroen on November 30, 2010, at 1:59:00
> i have to take 2 anti psychotics and somethimes that still isnt enough, its blocking 70% lets say of the bad med reaction ;(
Oh, I see. I can be dense sometimes - thanks for explaining it to me. I'm so sorry you had that reaction to Lamictal. I really look forward to the drugs that are in the process of being developed so we don't all have to suffer that 30% left over!! Hang in there, baby!
Posted by huxley on December 1, 2010, at 2:27:37
In reply to Re: Do you think psych drugs cause the very problems, posted by morgan miller on November 29, 2010, at 0:30:00
Fair enough. But you have to realise that there are thousands of people out there who have had their lives ruined by psych meds.
Posted by KathrynLex on December 2, 2010, at 16:13:44
In reply to Re: Do you think psych drugs cause the very problems » morgan miller, posted by huxley on December 1, 2010, at 2:27:37
I've often wondered if certain medications have done more harm than good. Every time I'm prescribed something new it scares me a little bit because there's no way of knowing how it will effect me, there are always several weeks of "wait and see what happens." It would be wonderful if there were some way to know in advance how a person would respond to certain types of meds. There is so little pdocs know about how these things work it isn't hard to believe they could cause the very problems they're trying to treat. (Don't get me wrong, there have been a number of wonderful meds that helped improve the quality of my life. I wouldn't give those up for anything.) If I find any useful research on the subject I'll post it here.
Posted by Jeroen on December 2, 2010, at 16:38:14
In reply to Re: Do you think psych drugs cause the very problems, posted by KathrynLex on December 2, 2010, at 16:13:44
meds for retardating make you more retarded :(
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