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Posted by maxime on October 31, 2010, at 14:41:08
In reply to Re: tylenol is a cannabanoid reuptake inhibitor, posted by linkadge on October 30, 2010, at 7:30:53
> I wouldn't be suprised if some depressions were not entirely based on a endocannabanoid deficiancy.
>
> Insomnia, anxiety, depression, anorexia, low pain threshold, mood lability, are all associated with the cannabanoid system.
>
> Interestingly too, activating the cannabanoid system apparently reduces the activity of sodium and calcium channels. Since bipolar treatments ususally involve modulation of these ion channels, I do give credit to those who claim MJ cais a mood stabilizer for them.
>
>
> LinkadgeThis is really insteresting. What is MJ cais?
I am going to look into what you wrote about cannabanoid system.
Posted by lamictal on October 31, 2010, at 16:52:26
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts » lamictal, posted by 49er on October 31, 2010, at 11:53:04
> Ok, I am really being bad in responding and continuing an off topic thread but you made a made a few points I wanted to respond to.
>
> I participate in the meds forum in case there are posts from people who have tapererd who might benefit from my experience.
>
> Also, my experience can benefit people who want to stay on meds but might benefit from a lower than normal dose.
>
> By the way, Maxime said I gave her hope that depression can be overcome. If I had stayed in the alternative thread as you suggested, she wouldn't have seen my posts.
>
> Hey, it is boring to be on forums where everybody agrees with each other. But I have never crusaded against meds like another poster you have seen on these boards.
>
> I do draw my limits as I would never visit political forums where their views would be intolerable. But I find on this forum, there is enough common ground believe it or not, that I am not a total misfit.
>
> Regarding the alt forum, why is this an either or situation? That life saving psychiatrist I talked about also believed in some supplements (not all).
>
> But you are right to be leery as I feel many alternative health folks are preying on people's dissatisfaction with psychiatry and making bogus claims.
>
> Sorry I wasn't clear about the financial conflict issue. People have every right to earn as much as possible.
>
> But when you don't disclose a conflict that may affect your conclusions, I do have a problem with that. Just so you know I am not picking on psychiatry, I think this applies to all types of professionals, including alternative folks. By the way, they have plenty of conflicts in selling supplements that they make recommendations on.
>
> And you're right, just because you have a potential conflict doesn't mean there is wrongdoing. Scott posted a link to another article on treating pain with antidepressants in which the financial conflict was disclosed. It looked like in reading the article that the conclusions were reasonable.
>
> That is it for now.
>
> 49er
>
> PS - By the way, I never thought my former P-doc was profit driven even when he felt I should be on meds for life when I totally disagreed with. I just don't think that someone who has a full practice would have that motive. And he charged the lowest rates in my area,
>
>
> > > Lamictal,
> > >
> > > As to whether I am anti meds, I guess you missed a post in which I described how someone who suffered horrific withdrawal symptoms from insomnia felt a psychiatrist was life saving with very low dose medication. I highly praised this professional and wish I had access to someone like that in my area.
> > >
> > > Unless you have read alot of posts by someone, I would caution you to make premature judgments.
> > >
> > > Again, my apologies to Maxime for this off topic response but I saw in another thread where you warned people like me to stay away. So I thought you needed to know that your perception wasn't totally accurate.
> > >
> > > I wish you well.
> > >
> > > 49er
> >
> > Yes I may not have been totally accurate in my assesment of your perceptions. and yes my apoligies to Maxime. Possibly there needs to be another thread in babble. There seems to be an attempt to draw a logical extrapolation of pscyhiatry that is in fact is not logical. What I am seeing from some:
> >
> > 1. We live in a system called capitalism that is profit driven. Yes that is true
> > 2. P-docs take part in that system and there are profit driven. Partly true. Yes I'm sure that they enjoy making a good living and having a good life style. But that may not be their only driving force.
> > 3. P-docs are totally profit driven. Not true.
> >
> > 4. The pharmacuetical industry is profit driven and all their products are the products of greed. Partly true. That has been the case in isolated instances. But that does not mean all are lairs and thieves. They are often profit driven to create good and reputable products.
> >
> > One can not assume that because one takes part in a capitalist system that all are liars and thieves. Yes unforunately in some cases but in many cases not true and good pruducts by hard working scientists who take pride in their work.
> >
> > Wanting to make a lot of money is not a crime and does not mean you are a liar and a crook.
> >
> > Some here do not like the capilist system and are jumping to the conclusion that therefore those who enjoy the fruits of it are not good people. Everyone is entitled to their day in court before being labeled a bad person.
> >
> > this is not just a observation I have made of some here and is a very disturbing trend that a forum for med discussion has become a forum for bashing the system. Is this the proper forum for that?
> >
> > Again my apoligies to Maxime.
> >
> > Please just don't make assumptions about a barrel that may have some bad apples that the entire barrel is rotten.
> >
> > Good luck to you also 49er. We are all striving for good health. perhaps the alt forum is a better place for you. An observation is that the med people don't hang out in the alt forum claiming it is bogus. Personally I wouldn't go to a cigar lovers forum if i were not a smoker to harangue them on the evils of tobacco. Just an observation and nothing more.
>
>Amen to your post. Very good and you cleared up your involvement in alt med. I spent a fortune as a young woman on supplements and hiked my way up to Mt Everest to get healthy. Just didn't get me to where I wanted to go. That was almost 40 years. After the age of 40 started with the meds and got more results. There's no right or wrong way to go. Just what works. Still have a boatload of supplements that I take every night. I swear by fish oil. Multi vit, vit e, vit c, nac, olive oil, green juice, red juice, sam-e,p-5-p, tri boron plus, vit d3. Also lamictal and klonopin at night. Just throw the kitchen sink at my bi polar mind and anxiety. Hope that something will work. don't know what works and what doesn't.
So basically really try anything in the world. That's why I get peeved when some bash something and swear by something.No right and no wrong. No miracle cures and no evil. People have to get off their pedistals and open their minds. No anti this and prothis.
Open your minds to everything and stop the preaching. Nobody knows what the silver bullet is. so I use the shotgun approach. I listen to everything and I'm willing to try anything once wether alt med or conventional med.
That's worked the best for me. I have no philosophy any more. Load up that shotgun and fire away!!
Posted by lamictal on October 31, 2010, at 17:03:57
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts » lamictal, posted by 49er on October 31, 2010, at 11:53:04
> Ok, I am really being bad in responding and continuing an off topic thread but you made a made a few points I wanted to respond to.
>
> I participate in the meds forum in case there are posts from people who have tapererd who might benefit from my experience.
>
> Also, my experience can benefit people who want to stay on meds but might benefit from a lower than normal dose.
>
> By the way, Maxime said I gave her hope that depression can be overcome. If I had stayed in the alternative thread as you suggested, she wouldn't have seen my posts.
>
> Hey, it is boring to be on forums where everybody agrees with each other. But I have never crusaded against meds like another poster you have seen on these boards.
>
> I do draw my limits as I would never visit political forums where their views would be intolerable. But I find on this forum, there is enough common ground believe it or not, that I am not a total misfit.
>
> Regarding the alt forum, why is this an either or situation? That life saving psychiatrist I talked about also believed in some supplements (not all).
>
> But you are right to be leery as I feel many alternative health folks are preying on people's dissatisfaction with psychiatry and making bogus claims.
>
> Sorry I wasn't clear about the financial conflict issue. People have every right to earn as much as possible.
>
> But when you don't disclose a conflict that may affect your conclusions, I do have a problem with that. Just so you know I am not picking on psychiatry, I think this applies to all types of professionals, including alternative folks. By the way, they have plenty of conflicts in selling supplements that they make recommendations on.
>
> And you're right, just because you have a potential conflict doesn't mean there is wrongdoing. Scott posted a link to another article on treating pain with antidepressants in which the financial conflict was disclosed. It looked like in reading the article that the conclusions were reasonable.
>
> That is it for now.
>
> 49er
>
> PS - By the way, I never thought my former P-doc was profit driven even when he felt I should be on meds for life when I totally disagreed with. I just don't think that someone who has a full practice would have that motive. And he charged the lowest rates in my area,
>
>
> > > Lamictal,
> > >
> > > As to whether I am anti meds, I guess you missed a post in which I described how someone who suffered horrific withdrawal symptoms from insomnia felt a psychiatrist was life saving with very low dose medication. I highly praised this professional and wish I had access to someone like that in my area.
> > >
> > > Unless you have read alot of posts by someone, I would caution you to make premature judgments.
> > >
> > > Again, my apologies to Maxime for this off topic response but I saw in another thread where you warned people like me to stay away. So I thought you needed to know that your perception wasn't totally accurate.
> > >
> > > I wish you well.
> > >
> > > 49er
> >
> > Yes I may not have been totally accurate in my assesment of your perceptions. and yes my apoligies to Maxime. Possibly there needs to be another thread in babble. There seems to be an attempt to draw a logical extrapolation of pscyhiatry that is in fact is not logical. What I am seeing from some:
> >
> > 1. We live in a system called capitalism that is profit driven. Yes that is true
> > 2. P-docs take part in that system and there are profit driven. Partly true. Yes I'm sure that they enjoy making a good living and having a good life style. But that may not be their only driving force.
> > 3. P-docs are totally profit driven. Not true.
> >
> > 4. The pharmacuetical industry is profit driven and all their products are the products of greed. Partly true. That has been the case in isolated instances. But that does not mean all are lairs and thieves. They are often profit driven to create good and reputable products.
> >
> > One can not assume that because one takes part in a capitalist system that all are liars and thieves. Yes unforunately in some cases but in many cases not true and good pruducts by hard working scientists who take pride in their work.
> >
> > Wanting to make a lot of money is not a crime and does not mean you are a liar and a crook.
> >
> > Some here do not like the capilist system and are jumping to the conclusion that therefore those who enjoy the fruits of it are not good people. Everyone is entitled to their day in court before being labeled a bad person.
> >
> > this is not just a observation I have made of some here and is a very disturbing trend that a forum for med discussion has become a forum for bashing the system. Is this the proper forum for that?
> >
> > Again my apoligies to Maxime.
> >
> > Please just don't make assumptions about a barrel that may have some bad apples that the entire barrel is rotten.
> >
> > Good luck to you also 49er. We are all striving for good health. perhaps the alt forum is a better place for you. An observation is that the med people don't hang out in the alt forum claiming it is bogus. Personally I wouldn't go to a cigar lovers forum if i were not a smoker to harangue them on the evils of tobacco. Just an observation and nothing more.
>
>Good post and well said. After 40 years of being an alt med guru I still pile up the vitamins, minerals, fish oil and olive oil. I've hiked my way to Mt Everest and haven't got there. I take lamictal and 1 mg of klonopin at night. For me there's no set answer for me anymore. Just take the shotgun approach and fire away. It's gotten me some results. Don't know what works and what doesn't. But somewhere in that pile of stuff something is working. Depression and bipolar is better and anxiety under control. So that's my approach. No silver bullet for me but as said fire the remington 12 gauge double barrel shotgun.lol
Posted by maxime on November 2, 2010, at 20:58:26
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts, posted by lamictal on October 31, 2010, at 17:03:57
Ouch, ouch and ouch. Today I was in so much pain that some of students asked me what was wrong. I said "why?" and they said "because you are walking around like an old lady". I told them I felt like one and I that I just slept the wrong way. The Tylenol helped a bit but not as much as it usually dose.
Posted by maxime on November 4, 2010, at 21:08:47
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts, posted by maxime on November 2, 2010, at 19:58:26
Had to use more Tylenol than usual today. Now it is wearing off and I feel pretty bad. I hope I can fall asleep with the aches and pains.
I think I need a hug.
Posted by SLS on November 5, 2010, at 5:27:50
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts » maxime, posted by maxime on November 4, 2010, at 22:08:47
> Had to use more Tylenol than usual today. Now it is wearing off and I feel pretty bad. I hope I can fall asleep with the aches and pains.
>
> I think I need a hug.Did you have pain BEFORE starting nortriptyline? If so, what is your history of treatment for the pain?
- Scott
Posted by Maxime on November 5, 2010, at 7:18:35
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts » maxime, posted by SLS on November 5, 2010, at 5:27:50
> > Had to use more Tylenol than usual today. Now it is wearing off and I feel pretty bad. I hope I can fall asleep with the aches and pains.
> >
> > I think I need a hug.
>
> Did you have pain BEFORE starting nortriptyline? If so, what is your history of treatment for the pain?
>
>
> - ScottHi Scott, I did have the pain before I started the Nortip. But it did get worse after I stopped the Nortrip. I am the kind of person who can withstand a lot of pain because growing we were NOT allowed to complain if we felt bad. We were barely able to mention it. Pains would come and go and would keep my mouth shut. So I really don't know when this pain start. Maybe in September when I was doing really bad and switching over to the Parnate. I was on Cymbalta before that and the pain wasn't too bad. I think the pain in my hips is osteoarthritis. I would of course need a proper diagnosis. But the overall achy feeling I have and the extreme fatigue that comes with it must be from my depression. Or maybe the fatigue comes because I am doing so much with working, volunteer, taking care of my mom, and doing research for a professor. I am doing too much, but I have always been that way.
Now it's just hard to tell which pain is caused by what. Even my eyes are sore if you can believe that.
Posted by PartlyCloudy on November 5, 2010, at 8:25:01
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts » SLS, posted by Maxime on November 5, 2010, at 7:18:35
I asked my pdoc to put me back on Cymbalta for the pain relief benefits. Even at a very low dosage (30mg), I feel SO much better. I am all too self aware of the body - mind connection.
(Ibuprofen has been the only pain reliever that works for me, OTC.)
PartlyCloudy
Posted by Maxime on November 5, 2010, at 12:05:05
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts » Maxime, posted by PartlyCloudy on November 5, 2010, at 8:25:01
> I asked my pdoc to put me back on Cymbalta for the pain relief benefits. Even at a very low dosage (30mg), I feel SO much better. I am all too self aware of the body - mind connection.
>
> (Ibuprofen has been the only pain reliever that works for me, OTC.)
>
> PartlyCloudyYes, the Cymbalta helped my pain for sure, but it pooped out in the AD department. That is why I went back on Parnate. So now I have about a 70 percent remission on Parnate ... but my body hurts. Sigh. I am really worried about all the Tylenol and Advil I take because I have had stomach ulcers before (from stress). The last thing I need is another ulcer! It seems like everything comes with a price.
Posted by floatingbridge on November 5, 2010, at 12:31:20
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts » PartlyCloudy, posted by Maxime on November 5, 2010, at 12:05:05
Maxime, parnate does not help w/ pain after a certain point? Can norco be taken with maoi's?
Posted by SLS on November 5, 2010, at 14:02:15
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts » PartlyCloudy, posted by Maxime on November 5, 2010, at 12:05:05
> Yes, the Cymbalta helped my pain for sure, but it pooped out in the AD department.
I think we now have reason to believe that nortiptyline was providing pain relief, and that its abrupt discontinuation may have produced a rebound phenomenon where the pain is worse now than it was before your started taking it. I hope the intensity of the pain declines over time. It should pass. What would happen if you took the lowest dosage of nortrityline that resolves the pain and then taper from there?
Have you discussed gabapentin or pregabalin for pain relief with your doctor? To the best of my knowledge, both drugs are compatable with Parnate.
- Scott
Posted by Maxime on November 5, 2010, at 14:03:29
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts, posted by floatingbridge on November 5, 2010, at 12:31:20
> Maxime, parnate does not help w/ pain after a certain point? Can norco be taken with maoi's?
>
>No, the Parnate does not help with the pain. :( This is no way that anyone would prescribe a norco for me. Sigh. Right now the pain is radiating down my back.
I wonder if Despramine would help with the pain? Scott?
Posted by floatingbridge on November 5, 2010, at 14:20:24
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts, posted by SLS on November 5, 2010, at 14:02:15
Wow, great detective work, Scott.
Posted by floatingbridge on November 5, 2010, at 14:26:18
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts » floatingbridge, posted by Maxime on November 5, 2010, at 14:03:29
Maxime, thanks for the information. Sorry you're really hurting today. Justherself has had mixed success with clomaprine (sp?) for pain and depression. She has a thread going right now.
Is the nix on the norco because of od potential. Anyways, at best, it is emergency med or a small add-on
because my body starts to suck it up :(I hope you find some relief today.
Posted by Maxime on November 5, 2010, at 15:41:28
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts, posted by SLS on November 5, 2010, at 14:02:15
> > Yes, the Cymbalta helped my pain for sure, but it pooped out in the AD department.
>
> I think we now have reason to believe that nortiptyline was providing pain relief, and that its abrupt discontinuation may have produced a rebound phenomenon where the pain is worse now than it was before your started taking it. I hope the intensity of the pain declines over time. It should pass. What would happen if you took the lowest dosage of nortrityline that resolves the pain and then taper from there?
>
> Have you discussed gabapentin or pregabalin for pain relief with your doctor? To the best of my knowledge, both drugs are compatable with Parnate.
>
>
> - ScottHi Scott, I did titrate down on the Nortrip. but maybe I went to fast. I went down 25 mg every 4 days. I was on 75 mg.
I have been on Neurontin twice and both times I ended up in the hospital with severe pitting edema. I never thought that one would have to be in the hospital for edema, but they wouldn't let me go. I really don't want to try it again. The same thing happened with Lyrica, but not as severe.
Do you think I should go back to 25 mg of the Notrip and stay there for a week?
Posted by Maxime on November 5, 2010, at 15:46:15
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts » SLS, posted by Maxime on November 5, 2010, at 15:41:28
Does anyone know why depression can cause physical pain? How come some people get pain and others don't? I have been depressed since I was a child. I have never had any physical pain to deal with as a result of my depression. Why now?
Sigh.
Posted by SLS on November 5, 2010, at 16:20:26
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts » SLS, posted by Maxime on November 5, 2010, at 15:41:28
> > > Yes, the Cymbalta helped my pain for sure, but it pooped out in the AD department.
> > I think we now have reason to believe that nortiptyline was providing pain relief, and that its abrupt discontinuation may have produced a rebound phenomenon where the pain is worse now than it was before your started taking it. I hope the intensity of the pain declines over time. It should pass. What would happen if you took the lowest dosage of nortrityline that resolves the pain and then taper from there?
> >
> > Have you discussed gabapentin or pregabalin for pain relief with your doctor? To the best of my knowledge, both drugs are compatable with Parnate.
> Hi Scott, I did titrate down on the Nortrip. but maybe I went to fast. I went down 25 mg every 4 days. I was on 75 mg.It is conceivable that you tapered too quickly. If you have no alternate plan to treat the pain, it might be worth restarting the nortriptyline at 25mg and observing what happens. You can always stop taking it if you want. However, it might be worth tapering using 10mg tablets. The dosage of amitriptyline used to treat pain is significantly lower than what is used to treat depression. Perhaps the same is true of nortriptyline.
> I have been on Neurontin twice and both times I ended up in the hospital with severe pitting edema. I never thought that one would have to be in the hospital for edema, but they wouldn't let me go. I really don't want to try it again. The same thing happened with Lyrica, but not as severe.Not fun. Both drugs exacerbate my depression and produce cognitive impairments.
- Scott
Posted by floatingbridge on November 5, 2010, at 20:32:06
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts .... questions, posted by Maxime on November 5, 2010, at 15:46:15
Maxime, a big ditto on that question. I think no one is exactly sure--well, that there is no consensus. I'd be interested in some theories.
Posted by Maxime on November 6, 2010, at 20:46:36
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts .... questions » Maxime, posted by floatingbridge on November 5, 2010, at 20:32:06
FB, I found the following article which does shed some on our questions.
Posted by floatingbridge on November 7, 2010, at 14:07:50
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts .... questions » floatingbridge, posted by Maxime on November 6, 2010, at 20:46:36
Thanks Maxime. I feel fortunate that my pdoc is aware of this. I certainly wasn't for a long time, and only recently have accepted the relationship--not that I 'get' it.
I do wish I had accepted my depression before the onset of my first major episode. I would go on and off meds all the time. Tra la la.
Funny, what would you make of an emotional remittance followed, coupled with worsening physical symptoms? Ugh.
I liked the questionnaire at the end. I'm going to try it for a few weeks.
Posted by Maxime on November 9, 2010, at 19:31:06
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts .... questions » Maxime, posted by floatingbridge on November 7, 2010, at 14:07:50
> Thanks Maxime. I feel fortunate that my pdoc is aware of this. I certainly wasn't for a long time, and only recently have accepted the relationship--not that I 'get' it.
>
> I do wish I had accepted my depression before the onset of my first major episode. I would go on and off meds all the time. Tra la la.
>
> Funny, what would you make of an emotional remittance followed, coupled with worsening physical symptoms? Ugh.
>
> I liked the questionnaire at the end. I'm going to try it for a few weeks.You are very lucky that your doctor gets it. I think that mine does as well, but I don't know for certain. I told them my body hurt so much more without the nortrip and said "I am not surprised". Sigh. I think I am going to see if I can try some Desipramine.
Posted by floatingbridge on November 10, 2010, at 2:53:47
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts .... questions » floatingbridge, posted by Maxime on November 9, 2010, at 19:31:06
I saw that on another thread. Good luck!
Posted by FluffMama on November 23, 2010, at 9:13:13
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts .... questions » floatingbridge, posted by Maxime on November 6, 2010, at 20:46:36
Maxime, first of all, this is my first time posting but I've come to this website for several years when I've needed help and information. I'm also Bipolar Type 2, with a Borderline Personality Disorder diagnosis and I'm in a DBT program right now. I just hate to hear that you are in such pain right now - I know all too well the search for a medication or treatment that will help to ease the bad feelings.
I have recently been on a quest to discover what is going on with me chemically - and one path led me to test my blood type and I was amazed to find that certain blood types are genetically susceptible to different kinds of mental illness diagnosis. For example, Blood type O has trouble with the adrenaline system, and doesn't break down adrenaline so it builds up in the body. Other Blood types produce too little cortisol, or too much, and these differences are obviously treated in different ways. For a Blood Type O person to take a MAOI would not be as beneficial because they are already low in this enzyme.
I am low income but found a simple test at Amazon.com that cost under $10 bucks and I took it at home to find out my blood type. It was fascinating to read about what differences our blood types can make! For example, Blood Type O simply cannot process wheat and dairy products and actually does better on a high protein diet. And when we do eat wheat/dairy, it produces inflammation in the body, aches and pains in the body, weight gain, etc. But Blood Type A might thrive with a vegetarian diet. I know when I am eating according to my blood type I feel SO much better - when I blow it I feel worse - bloated and achy.
I am Type O and I started taking a supplement that contained an herb that helped with reducing the built up adrenaline in my body and it has helped. I was quite surprised, actually. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to mention it or not. But you bet I'm still on my Lithium, Lamictal, Seroquel, and Effexor cocktail!
I know how it is to hurt and not have hope. I lost my brother this July to depression. But keep on researching like you are doing and sometimes it helps to look into a mirror and say to yourself, "I am committed to getting better. I will do whatever it takes to find out what is wrong with the way my body is making me feel."
I also have a PTSD diagnosis, and for me the Blood Type information that led to my finding some information about how my body handles stress and what it needs to feel better has really helped. More than anything I've discovered in a long time. There is a book written about it called, "Eat Right for Your Blood Type," and for years I thought it was just a quacky diet plan. But it is far more interesting than that. I'm not saying I take all the advice - for example, Blood Type O's more than any other blood type require strenuous physical exercise to burn off adrenaline but I never exercise! I'm working on changing that, but not yet. . . other blood types do better with visualization or yoga and actually feel worse after hard exercise.
Well I just wanted to offer some of what I'm learning and I'll part with one of the affirmations I listen to at night on a CD by Louise Hay . . . "You are loveable because you exist." I also look into a mirror and say, "I love you and forgive you and accept you just as you are," when I feel a lot of emotional pain. It is difficult to do at first, but it can really help. I hope you feel better soon.
Posted by Brin Omsford on November 30, 2010, at 21:07:53
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts .... questions » Maxime, posted by FluffMama on November 23, 2010, at 9:13:13
Hello,
I am type O- and I've having fantastic luck with the Dr. Mercola metabolic typing information. I'd love to know what supplement you take that breaks down adrenaline in the body. If I don't go to the gym every day I feel messed up. And of course, I don't go every day, no car. I have situational depression, but no lack of energy. So.... I think this would really help me a lot.
Thank you.
> Maxime, first of all, this is my first time posting but I've come to this website for several years when I've needed help and information. I'm also Bipolar Type 2, with a Borderline Personality Disorder diagnosis and I'm in a DBT program right now. I just hate to hear that you are in such pain right now - I know all too well the search for a medication or treatment that will help to ease the bad feelings.
>
> I have recently been on a quest to discover what is going on with me chemically - and one path led me to test my blood type and I was amazed to find that certain blood types are genetically susceptible to different kinds of mental illness diagnosis. For example, Blood type O has trouble with the adrenaline system, and doesn't break down adrenaline so it builds up in the body. Other Blood types produce too little cortisol, or too much, and these differences are obviously treated in different ways. For a Blood Type O person to take a MAOI would not be as beneficial because they are already low in this enzyme.
>
> I am low income but found a simple test at Amazon.com that cost under $10 bucks and I took it at home to find out my blood type. It was fascinating to read about what differences our blood types can make! For example, Blood Type O simply cannot process wheat and dairy products and actually does better on a high protein diet. And when we do eat wheat/dairy, it produces inflammation in the body, aches and pains in the body, weight gain, etc. But Blood Type A might thrive with a vegetarian diet. I know when I am eating according to my blood type I feel SO much better - when I blow it I feel worse - bloated and achy.
>
> I am Type O and I started taking a supplement that contained an herb that helped with reducing the built up adrenaline in my body and it has helped. I was quite surprised, actually. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to mention it or not. But you bet I'm still on my Lithium, Lamictal, Seroquel, and Effexor cocktail!
>
> I know how it is to hurt and not have hope. I lost my brother this July to depression. But keep on researching like you are doing and sometimes it helps to look into a mirror and say to yourself, "I am committed to getting better. I will do whatever it takes to find out what is wrong with the way my body is making me feel."
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> I also have a PTSD diagnosis, and for me the Blood Type information that led to my finding some information about how my body handles stress and what it needs to feel better has really helped. More than anything I've discovered in a long time. There is a book written about it called, "Eat Right for Your Blood Type," and for years I thought it was just a quacky diet plan. But it is far more interesting than that. I'm not saying I take all the advice - for example, Blood Type O's more than any other blood type require strenuous physical exercise to burn off adrenaline but I never exercise! I'm working on changing that, but not yet. . . other blood types do better with visualization or yoga and actually feel worse after hard exercise.
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> Well I just wanted to offer some of what I'm learning and I'll part with one of the affirmations I listen to at night on a CD by Louise Hay . . . "You are loveable because you exist." I also look into a mirror and say, "I love you and forgive you and accept you just as you are," when I feel a lot of emotional pain. It is difficult to do at first, but it can really help. I hope you feel better soon.
Posted by FluffMama on December 1, 2010, at 1:38:53
In reply to Re: Depression Hurts .... questions, posted by Brin Omsford on November 30, 2010, at 21:07:53
> Hello,
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> I am type O- and I've having fantastic luck with the Dr. Mercola metabolic typing information. I'd love to know what supplement you take that breaks down adrenaline in the body. If I don't go to the gym every day I feel messed up. And of course, I don't go every day, no car. I have situational depression, but no lack of energy. So.... I think this would really help me a lot.
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> Thank you.
>Hi Brin! Oh goody - someone else into the Blood Type stuff! :) The supplement is called "Catechol" and here is a blurb about it from the website: "Type Os with mild to moderate stress benefit from the amino acid tyrosine (which can boost dopamine levels), and Arginine. Catechol also features the adaptogen Rhodiola rosea, which helps to modulate the effects of excess adrenaline."
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP005
You can also find other supplements specifically for Type O on his website - pretty cool.
So tell me about Dr. Mercola's metabolic typing! I've never heard of that before.
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