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Posted by olivia12 on August 28, 2010, at 22:37:15
Is anyone here not on disability? It's pretty bad that tax dollars are swallowed up by reasonably healthy people that cannot work because they are "sick". I work my *ss off everyday to support you and sometimes I get irritated by the irresponsible adults that I see.
Posted by violette on August 28, 2010, at 22:47:15
In reply to disability, posted by olivia12 on August 28, 2010, at 22:37:15
Is it possible you feel you deserve to go through hardship in some way by enduring working your *ss off despite having mental distress? If you feel that working is detriminetal to your mental health, why not consider disability for yourself?
I'm not on disability, but have a family member who gets it. She is not an irresponsible person as many on disability. And it often takes lawyers and years to even get it in the first place, at least in the US...
Or maybe not everyone is as 'strong' as you are? Good to vent anger regardless.I've been through alot of hardships too, then when public policies changed, those in my circumstances had it much easier due to timing.
Posted by olivia12 on August 28, 2010, at 23:12:49
In reply to Re: disability, posted by violette on August 28, 2010, at 22:47:15
Yes, we all have hard times--life is hard. Having federal dollars to support you is what bugs me. If you or your loved one is truly unable to work, then God bless you. I am talking about the losers that suck up benefits due to laziness.
Posted by violette on August 28, 2010, at 23:32:53
In reply to Re: disability, posted by olivia12 on August 28, 2010, at 23:12:49
It's possible those 'losers' may represent something like .000001% of national expedentures. I mean there are multi-millionaires who get unemployment checks though would be the last to need the benefits of our tax dollars...there are many who choose to not have children, but pay a substantial proportion of income in public school taxes.
I'd rather the so called lazy people suck up the minimal tax dollars rather than defense contractors...they probably had a bad rap in life anyway...financial success is largely determined by whom you are born to.
You could fill out the brief questionaire on this site and see if you yourself are eligible for some benefits to help you out:
http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits_en.portal
Everyone could use a little help in hard times. You being one of everyone. Why not accept some help? You seem hard on yourself. Is there any specific help that you need but are not getting?
Posted by olivia12 on August 29, 2010, at 0:17:29
In reply to Re: disability, posted by violette on August 28, 2010, at 23:32:53
I suppose I hit a nerve. No, no need to discuss. You already said a mouthful. Glad I can keep you in Marlboros and cheap beer.
Posted by sigismund on August 29, 2010, at 2:49:51
In reply to Re: disability, posted by violette on August 28, 2010, at 23:32:53
Any new war from the US can be started in a matter of months.
Government can be a revolving door with finance and industry.
But God forbid that any ordinary people should get any of the loot.
Posted by chujoe on August 29, 2010, at 7:10:35
In reply to disability, posted by olivia12 on August 28, 2010, at 22:37:15
Oh dear, Olivia, did you just come from Glenn Beck's little hate-fest in Washington? That's what it sounds like. To me, your anger reads as: A) ignorant of the reality of the social welfare system in the US, which represents a tiny percentage of your cherished tax dollars and B) a kind of pathological projection of your own fears onto others. C.G. Jung has some great passages on projection -- you ought to look them up sometime.
Who, exactly, are you addressing? What do you know about the personal situations of the literally hundreds of people you are addressing, i.e., "anyone here"? And are you really setting yourself up as able to judge who is deserving and who isn't? I seem to recall some guy from Galilee saying "Judge not that you be not judged." Fat lot of good it did him -- they nailed him to a plank. Reading your post, I see someone with a big nail in one hand and a hammer in the other.
Posted by emme on August 29, 2010, at 9:06:53
In reply to disability, posted by olivia12 on August 28, 2010, at 22:37:15
> Is anyone here not on disability? It's pretty bad that tax dollars are swallowed up by reasonably healthy people that cannot work because they are "sick". I work my *ss off everyday to support you and sometimes I get irritated by the irresponsible adults that I see.
Hello Olivia,
A few questions for you:
- How much do you know of the situations of the individuals on this forum? From the wording on your post, I gather you believe that most people here are on disability. Where did you get this impression??
- How would you go about deciding who is and who is not deserving of disability? Do you believe you can make that decision without extensive knowledge of an individual's medical history and everyday level of impairment?
- Do you believe that mental illnesses cannot be truly debilitating?
- Where exactly do you encounter the irresponsible adults that you mention? Are you referring to individuals that you know in real life?
- Have you had some negative experiences IRL that are coloring your impressions of people on this forum?
You do sound terribly angry. If you are feeling overwhelmed in your own life, is there somewhere you can access some resources to help you cope?
Good luck.
emme
Posted by SLS on August 29, 2010, at 9:48:18
In reply to disability, posted by olivia12 on August 28, 2010, at 22:37:15
> Is anyone here not on disability?
Yes.
> It's pretty bad that tax dollars are swallowed up by reasonably healthy people
If you are referring to me, I doubt that fatigue mimicking mononucleosis and cognitive impairments (inability to read, learn, and remember) qualifies as a healthy person. I recently lost a job because I could not read and understand their online orientation program.
> that cannot work because they are "sick". I work my *ss off everyday to support you and sometimes I get irritated by the irresponsible adults that I see.
I understand this sentiment. However, major depressive disorder and bipolar disorder are very real biological illnesses, even though they are often inappropriately referred to as "mood" illnesses. They comprise a great many more functional abnormalities other than mood alterations. I don't think that your resentment is misunderstood so much as I think that mental illness is misunderstood.
Did you wish to cater to and perpetuates misunderstanding, or are you receptive to new understandings? Stereotypes portraying people with mental illness as being lazy or weak of character are archaic generalizations that do not resonate well with the knowledge and understanding that science now provides us with.
- Scott
Posted by olivia12 on August 29, 2010, at 11:18:35
In reply to disability, posted by olivia12 on August 28, 2010, at 22:37:15
I was way out of line when I posted those rude comments. I am angry because of a particular situation that is personal to me--I didn't realize how angry I really am. I am sorry for those of you that I offended.
Posted by violette on August 29, 2010, at 11:41:27
In reply to Re: disability, posted by olivia12 on August 29, 2010, at 11:18:35
If you want to talk about what's angering you, Olivia, we are here to listen.
Posted by violette on August 29, 2010, at 11:57:18
In reply to Re: disability, posted by olivia12 on August 29, 2010, at 11:18:35
btw-yes, it does hit a nerve with me. There is a misconception about people on welfare; besides, it is very difficult for anyone to even qualify for it these days. Here in my state, your assets, have to be less than $500-probably what one would have in a shopping cart-clothes and personal belongings. So pretty much, you have to be homeless to qualify. You have to be truly destitute.
Sometimes I think people on government benefits are used as a scapegoat, often people direct anger at them seemingly to feel better about themselves. I'm not talking about your anger here, I mean in context with the political arenas. Since it represents such a small amount of our spending, i really can't see any other reason it is a repeated target of dissent besides hatefulness and vengence.
There's so much government $ wasted out there. Corporate welfare is worse than personal welfare for the down and out as the bankers basically robbed every man, woman, and child in this country, but still have their vacation homes intact. I'd rather pay for some 'losers' marlboros and cheap beer-maybe that's all they have in life, as opposed to a banker's yacht and chalet in the mountains.
Posted by chujoe on August 29, 2010, at 12:22:16
In reply to Re: disability, posted by violette on August 29, 2010, at 11:57:18
Olivia, I appreciate your honesty & courage in apologizing. I agree with Violette on this subject, but something clearly pushed your buttons and it takes insight to recognize that and retract statements made in anger. If my response was overly angry, I'm sorry.
Posted by Phillipa on August 29, 2010, at 12:54:02
In reply to Re: disability, posted by chujoe on August 29, 2010, at 12:22:16
Disability and welfare are two different programs. Disability is for injury or inability to work to either to physical or mental illness. And that is determined by often times attorneys being retained and all medical records. Welfare is those that just do not work. Don't contribute to the system. Disability is also subject to taxing and amount a person receives is based on their total income earned over the years and at retirement converts to medicaire which is the same in a way as Disability. Now this is my understanding. Which leaves a lot to be desired. And for those on Disability most would do anything to be able to work and be productive. It's a loss of identity and income if deemed unable to work. I feel for those on Disability. Just my interpretation again. Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk2010 on August 29, 2010, at 13:34:06
In reply to Re: disability, posted by olivia12 on August 29, 2010, at 11:18:35
> I was way out of line when I posted those rude comments. I am angry because of a particular situation that is personal to me--I didn't realize how angry I really am. I am sorry for those of you that I offended.
It's OK. It's normal to be angry from time to time and sometimes you just have to vent. When the anger wears off it's easy to feel embarrased about what you said. This has happened to me many times.
Posted by Maxime on August 29, 2010, at 13:47:09
In reply to Re: disability, posted by Phillipa on August 29, 2010, at 12:54:02
I have been on Welfare since September 2009. I hate it. I feel like a parasite. It has been suggested to me by friends that I go on disability because I would get more money than Welfare. The problem is ... I don't see my myself as disabled. Never have. Getting on disability here is quite easy. You just have to have your doctor fill out the forms and voila! I don't even think my doctor would sign those forms because he wants me out and working. Even with all that is going on in my life, I don't feel the need to be angry at those on Disability. Some people really do need it. People with severe mental illness need it because they will never get a job.
I don't know what it is like in the US, but in Canada you can always earn up to $200 a month to suplement your disability or Welfare. I think that's a good idea. What I CANNOT STAND are people who collect Welfare or Disability and earn and lot of money working under the table. Now THAT is cheating the system! I have zero tolerance for people like that.
Posted by olivia12 on August 29, 2010, at 14:00:12
In reply to Re: disability, posted by violette on August 29, 2010, at 11:57:18
What an insightful and forgiving group of people you are. You read beyond my nasty comments and heard personal anger and fear. I respect that you didn't just have a knee-jerk rection and told me to piss off. I was searching for a "delete" option on here when I realized how horrible I was being--there is not one, but I suppose I am grateful for that as I have been humbled and enlightened. Thank you.
Posted by emme on August 29, 2010, at 14:30:21
In reply to Re: disability, posted by olivia12 on August 29, 2010, at 11:18:35
> I was way out of line when I posted those rude comments. I am angry because of a particular situation that is personal to me--I didn't realize how angry I really am. I am sorry for those of you that I offended.
That's very nice of you to post. As Violette noted, there a lots of people here happy to listen and help. Lots of wisdom can be found here.
emme
Posted by proudfoot on August 29, 2010, at 14:32:53
In reply to Re: disability, posted by olivia12 on August 29, 2010, at 11:18:35
> I was way out of line when I posted those rude comments. I am angry because of a particular situation that is personal to me--I didn't realize how angry I really am. I am sorry for those of you that I offended.
Thanks for your apology. Really, thank you. Your original post truly p***ed me off with its insensitive and judgmental tone.
Disability is a very intensely personal, many times painful, and humbling circumstance in which to find oneself, in particular if it's from a mental illness. One is totally dependent upon lawyers and insurance company or government hacks making a determination after reviewing what are frequently insufficient or inaccurate medical records. All truly disabled folks I've encountered in life have taken those benefits and that label very begrudgingly and as a last resort as their lives basically fell apart around them.
I am trained as a physician and am still licensed as such, but am no longer practicing. Impairments from a combination of major depression and A.D.D. led me to close my practice several years ago. It was the hardest and saddest thing I've ever had to do in my life, as if all the hard work I'd put into becoming a caring and competent physician had suddenly been devalued. My primary identity in life had been taken away from me, and I went into a much deeper depression than I thought possible in the ensuing months/years. Four years later I'm just now climbing out of it.
When I was still a young lad of 26 in training, I smartly (in retrospect) purchased a private disability insurance policy for which I paid almost $250 per month. On the advice of my psychiatrist and therapist, I finally filed a claim against that policy over a year after I quit medicine. I fought doing this tooth and nail, as I didn't want to be labeled as being disabled. However, I really had no choice, having accumulated over $20K in credit card debt, still owing $35K in medical school loans, and with no immediate job in sight.
The insurance company tried to deny the claim, and it finally took a one on one telephone conversation between my shrink and the insurance company's reviewing psychiatrist before the determination was made that I was truly unable to continue practicing medicine because of my illnesses. Getting these benefits proved to be a lifeline for me, and I am now gainfully employed doing low-wage office work in a non-medical office.
Even though I likely would have qualified for government benefits through SSI, I did NOT apply. However, knowing the hell people go through to get those government disability benefits, I would never be so arrogant as to judge someone else for having done so. Until you've actually been there and experienced how demeaning it is to be the applicant, please keep an open mind.
Just like car insurance or homeowner's insurance, disability insurance is something you hope you'll never need. But for those of us who really truly need it, please be supportive, not judgmental.
As others have already correctly posted here, there are much bigger areas of wasteful government spending (corporate welfare and two overseas wars to name a few) in the federal budget than the few slackers incorrectly collecting government payments. It's in those areas where disdain should be registered as to the amount of sheer waste that's occurred and continues to occur.
Just sign me:
Disabled, but not by choice
Posted by ed_uk2010 on August 29, 2010, at 15:18:33
In reply to Re: disability, posted by olivia12 on August 29, 2010, at 14:00:12
> What an insightful and forgiving group of people you are. You read beyond my nasty comments and heard personal anger and fear. I respect that you didn't just have a knee-jerk rection and told me to piss off. I was searching for a "delete" option on here when I realized how horrible I was being--there is not one, but I suppose I am grateful for that as I have been humbled and enlightened. Thank you.
Well who among us hasn't been guilty of getting angry?
Not me.
Posted by Roslynn on August 29, 2010, at 16:39:53
In reply to disability, posted by olivia12 on August 28, 2010, at 22:37:15
Plenty of people here are not on disability. Disability is very hard to qualify for and you have to have PAID into the system yourself by working x number of years. Same way that your Medicare payment will be higher based on your work history.
You sound like a really bitter person!> Is anyone here not on disability? It's pretty bad that tax dollars are swallowed up by reasonably healthy people that cannot work because they are "sick". I work my *ss off everyday to support you and sometimes I get irritated by the irresponsible adults that I see.
Posted by Roslynn on August 29, 2010, at 16:48:26
In reply to Re: disability, posted by Phillipa on August 29, 2010, at 12:54:02
Phillipa,
Thank you for your thoughtful contribution to this thread.
Roslynn
> Disability and welfare are two different programs. Disability is for injury or inability to work to either to physical or mental illness. And that is determined by often times attorneys being retained and all medical records. Welfare is those that just do not work. Don't contribute to the system. Disability is also subject to taxing and amount a person receives is based on their total income earned over the years and at retirement converts to medicaire which is the same in a way as Disability. Now this is my understanding. Which leaves a lot to be desired. And for those on Disability most would do anything to be able to work and be productive. It's a loss of identity and income if deemed unable to work. I feel for those on Disability. Just my interpretation again. Phillipa
Posted by olivia12 on August 29, 2010, at 18:50:06
In reply to Re: disability, posted by Roslynn on August 29, 2010, at 16:48:26
Your responses and your personal challenges are very insightful. My bent on disability stems from the fact that my ex died unexpectedly and left me with 2 young children. Apparently, he did not work enough (32 credits) to throw any $ support to his kids--he seemed to be hard at work during the time that I was with him. He was a writer for most of the time and so maybe that doesn't count. At the same time, I work in an area of health care where I see the waste of federal dollars each day. Thus, my vantage point. Again, I am sorry for feelings hurt--my comments were about anger and fear on my behalf.
Posted by linkadge on August 29, 2010, at 19:09:48
In reply to Re: disability » olivia12, posted by chujoe on August 29, 2010, at 7:10:35
I kind of agree with you. I personally know a few people who are on disability for "depression".
There is simply zero motivation to recover.
That being said, there are those that do legitimately diserve it.
Unfortunate,
Linkadge
Posted by emmanuel98 on August 29, 2010, at 19:38:23
In reply to Re: disability, posted by linkadge on August 29, 2010, at 19:09:48
I know two people who are on disability. One has rapid cycling bipolar which is barely controlled by meds. The other is thoroughly disabled by Tourette's. Both had to fight like hell to get disability benefits from social security, which amount to something like $800-$900 a month. In addition, you are allowed to work up to 16 hours a week, but the kind of work most disabled people are qualified for are typically low-paying work like returning library books to the stacks or walking dogs.
I'm sorry, Olivia, for you and your children. Apparently, you need 40 quarters (ten years) or paying into the system to be eligible for benefits, but I didn't think this applied to survivor's benefits, which are far more generous than disability benefits.
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