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Posted by manic666 on April 6, 2010, at 12:59:13
http://www.webmd.com/news/20080103/many-doctors-use-placebos-on-patients.///in the remeron debate it struck me the odd few in didnt put wieght on,//i had a therory,//not with remeron, but all meds i no its odd as i am plum nuts. but look at what i found//half the doc,s are giveing problem patients placebos//now call me what you like but thats a lot of placebos out there///if a persistant patient is becomes a pain to a p doc or gp //an no matter what they try they never really seem any different //an to a doc the illness is psychosomatic he bangs them on a placebo//the patient knows no difference still feels the same but never gets any worse///are you see now what i mean //the p doc or doc would add that to the patients file so whatever he or she complains obout in the future remain on the file for all doc an p docs to see/////%50 half the patients are on nothing more than a tablet of chalk///hypochondria is a bigger illness than a real one///// THINK ON
Posted by Phillipa on April 6, 2010, at 13:07:48
In reply to PLACEBOS it could be you, posted by manic666 on April 6, 2010, at 12:59:13
Manic if your're referring to me docs don't give the meds here we get a prescription which I can read since a nurse take it to the pharmacy. The pharmacist fills it and written on the bottle and the pills is the name or code for the med. So no placebos for me. Maybe in a med trial. But not by prescription outpatient. Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk2010 on April 6, 2010, at 13:41:09
In reply to PLACEBOS it could be you, posted by manic666 on April 6, 2010, at 12:59:13
I suppose a doctor could give a placebo to a hospital patient. Many year ago, British GPs used to prescribe things like ADT (any damn thing) to instruct the chemist to dispense a placebo eg. a low strength vitamin pill. Needless to say, this doesn't happen anymore. Placebo tablets are not used at all in retail pharmacy.
Posted by manic666 on April 6, 2010, at 14:13:09
In reply to Re: PLACEBOS it could be you » manic666, posted by Phillipa on April 6, 2010, at 13:07:48
what made you think it was you// i took a leaf out you book an googled it//1 finger an the world is mine///you said doctors in america dont give placebo,s //your favorit goggle says the do/// nothing to do with any one person just a thread
Posted by manic666 on April 7, 2010, at 5:15:35
In reply to Re: PLACEBOS it could be you, posted by manic666 on April 6, 2010, at 14:13:09
how do you think we get our meds in england//do you think the doc keep thousands in his office//we get a presription like you ,an take it to the pharmacy who reads it goes in the back an makes your script///there is no reason a doc could put a code on a script from ,,a simple cross or tick ,could be the code for the pharmacy//you get the bottle an same code for the real med, an chalk pills easy/// you are telling me docs dont do placebos an google says %50 in america do// now if google is lying a lot of google stuff posted is false so why post false info for babblers //you ether believe google or you dont no middle .i dont believe the statment but the mighty google does//a point about presriptions can you amagine a doc surgery in england have meds . it would be burnt to the ground by addicts looking for meds.the pharmacies have barred windows an unbreakable glass. //plus as you wait there are cubical,s for smack heads to walk sraight by you for there presribed methadone dose//very tastless
Posted by europerep on April 7, 2010, at 10:49:39
In reply to Re: PLACEBOS it could be you, posted by manic666 on April 7, 2010, at 5:15:35
first of all, one doesn't have to believe either everything or nothing one reads on google.. plus actually you read nothing on google, it merely finds you stuff to read..
but anyways, do you honestly believe there are placebo versions of ALL the meds? same package, instructions, all of it, except for a different pill? BUT nobody knows about it? this would NEVER be possible to keep secret.. I didn't read the article, you sure it isn't about fake drugs, i.e. not the real ones, but nobody knows about it except the one who faked them? you know, like fake rolex..
Posted by manic666 on April 7, 2010, at 13:09:20
In reply to Re: PLACEBOS it could be you, posted by europerep on April 7, 2010, at 10:49:39
my friend i dont believe it no //i am saying people say on the forum have you googled it//thats the point most is a load of crap , if you look you will find several different answers to the same questions..ie if you put in do docs still use placebos ,that came back as yes %50 in america //try it yourself//so why do people subject babblers with wrong google answers//thats the point i make//with the placebos in real life ,i do believe it happens not in a %50 capacity like google says//lets say patients abort meds without real trials the doc will think there carnt be that much wrong or they would stick out a trial//a tick or a cross would alert the chemist to ring the surgery for instrution,s on what action to take before the patient gets there meds //how do you find that impossible on a small scale
Posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2010, at 19:48:56
In reply to Re: PLACEBOS it could be you, posted by manic666 on April 7, 2010, at 13:09:20
Manic lots of times meds are also dispensed in regular bottles they came in from the drug company with seals on tops so no tampering. No codes on prescriptions as here pharmacists also will counsel you on a new med. One time in my life when working in the hospital and this was years ago a sickle cell patient was requesting his demerol injection on the exact second that dose was due so the doc to check to see if in pain gave a one time order for an injection of normal saline. Didn't relieve pain so he was immediately given his med Im. Phillipa.
Posted by manic666 on April 8, 2010, at 3:43:11
In reply to Re: PLACEBOS it could be you » manic666, posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2010, at 19:48:56
what make me think also /in england if you go in with a script that is higher than the recomended dose //the first line of the chemist is to ring the surgery before giving to the patient //with today near on every body on generics of every coulor an size an in box,s . if you have a months supply they put that in a fresh box not straight from the factory aready packed,,lots of genirics are white not the original coulor///why is that zoloft is yellow why isnt the geniric. it would be childs play to swap meds //there for saveing the nhs a fortune on meds for people not needing them but wont take no for an anwser//why is that so hard to figger out// i did with 1 brain cell
Posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2010, at 19:29:29
In reply to Re: PLACEBOS it could be you, posted by manic666 on April 8, 2010, at 3:43:11
Manic so your're saying that docs in England prescribe meds if the patient doesn't need them? And then adds a code and has a placebo distributed? As for the brandname of a med and what it looks like take valium real namebrand has a v cut in the center of the pill. You can google a med and check out what orignal looks like. Generics here are are different colors. Like my valium is green and round. Another generic might be another shape or color. I was paying for brandname out of pocket and decided to try generic and worked as well. Some do and some don't I guess. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on April 9, 2010, at 5:00:57
In reply to Re: PLACEBOS it could be you » manic666, posted by Phillipa on April 8, 2010, at 19:29:29
im saying its easy to do, not they are doing it///the google you always use said %50 doc do it not me .just google an ask do docs still give placebos an look at the answers///but genirc,s have score marks thats just to cut them in half, look at ativan its blue an not round //lorazopam the generic is round an white,so a doc could infact give a patient duff loz in a white chemist box//im not saying they do..but if you google long enough some one will say it so dont believe all on google
Posted by manic666 on April 9, 2010, at 14:02:36
In reply to PLACEBOS it could be you, posted by manic666 on April 6, 2010, at 12:59:13
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/24/health/main4542757.shtml?source=RSSattr=Health_4542757
Posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2010, at 20:12:26
In reply to one of many vids on google,unbelievable, posted by manic666 on April 9, 2010, at 14:02:36
I don't understand. I'm guessing quite a few patients don't know the language of prescription meds. I guess since being a nurse just know the names of meds and how to interpret and read prescriptions. Also I have to wonder who the doc is if not telling a patient as it seems to me totally unethical. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on April 10, 2010, at 5:03:06
In reply to Re: one of many vids on google,unbelievable » manic666, posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2010, at 20:12:26
Posted by europerep on April 11, 2010, at 9:53:06
In reply to one of many vids on google,unbelievable, posted by manic666 on April 9, 2010, at 14:02:36
ok, just to get this straight though: 50% of doctors do that. that doesn't mean that 50% of medication is being given as placebos. each has maybe one, or two, or a handful of patients to who he/she gives placebos, while doing regular therapy for the rest..
Posted by manic666 on April 11, 2010, at 10:59:52
In reply to Re: PLACEBOS it could be you, posted by europerep on April 7, 2010, at 10:49:39
of course not //it dont say %50 af patients are getting them//just %50 doctors give them to odd patient or two/// in a world of scammer,s mabye someone complains ,say back pain//the doc puts him on sick an gives him a 1 week course of placebos//the guy goes back after a week an the doc ask are the tablets working//if the guy say yes doc,the scam is uncovered///unethical may be but a bet it happens
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