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Posted by ihatedrugs on June 30, 2009, at 16:16:19
Have anyone in this forum looked into this or know anything about this clinics. Are they for real or just a scam?
Posted by Frustratedmama on June 30, 2009, at 16:23:17
In reply to NeuroResearch clinics, posted by ihatedrugs on June 30, 2009, at 16:16:19
Interesting but hmmm..... anyone?
Posted by Phillipa on June 30, 2009, at 16:51:07
In reply to Re: NeuroResearch clinics, posted by Frustratedmama on June 30, 2009, at 16:23:17
Sounds alternative to me. Would be nice if for real. Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on July 1, 2009, at 16:16:01
In reply to Re: NeuroResearch clinics, posted by Frustratedmama on June 30, 2009, at 16:23:17
I personally think that if all they are using is 5-htp, tyrosine etc. you can probably get the same results from going to the store and buying them yourself and tinkering around with different ratios.
I don't buy the whole 'master painter' argument. How in the heck do they really know what ratios of these compounds to use? Are they going to do a neurotransmitter test? Are they going to do it based on symptoms?
And who says all mood disorders are a result of deficiiancies in serotonin/norepinephrine?
It could be useful, but I am skeptical.
Linkadge
Posted by sak on November 12, 2009, at 21:18:58
In reply to Re: NeuroResearch clinics, posted by linkadge on July 1, 2009, at 16:16:01
our body is made up amino acids - they are the bulding blocks of our bodies. their research talks about treating with the precursor amino acids to these neurotransmitters. they have been studying many different diseases... seems logical to me that when different levels of chemcials are off whack to various degrees symptoms and disease states result.
Posted by Deneb on November 13, 2009, at 2:14:54
In reply to Re: NeuroResearch clinics, posted by sak on November 12, 2009, at 21:18:58
Hello sak!
Welcome to Psycho-Babble. That sounds like interesting research. I hope you like it here. Feel free to post.
Deneb
Posted by Katgirl on November 14, 2009, at 15:17:12
In reply to Re: NeuroResearch clinics » sak, posted by Deneb on November 13, 2009, at 2:14:54
I would tread carefully here. I am sure this works for some people but for them to make claims that it works for everyone should give you a moments pause. I did not go to this specific clinic, but sought treatment (after Paxil withdrawal) at a similar place. They also claimed that EVERYONE got better on their treatment. What I discoverd is that my poor brain got just as "overwhelmed" by 5-htp etc as medication. Worse yet, taking the amino acids on an empty stomach so upset my already sensitive GI tract that I couldn't take my "ace in the hole" prozac anymore. I eventually ended up getting rTMS. Just a cautionary note from one who did not do well with the amino protocol.
Posted by Deneb on November 14, 2009, at 16:40:37
In reply to Re: NeuroResearch clinics, posted by Katgirl on November 14, 2009, at 15:17:12
Hello Katgirl!
Welcome to Psycho-Babble. Thanks for contributing.
Deneb
Posted by Green Willow on November 18, 2009, at 18:04:12
In reply to NeuroResearch clinics, posted by ihatedrugs on June 30, 2009, at 16:16:19
I am seriously thinking about going this route after the holidays. Don't know what to expect, but I read on the net somewhere that the formula consists of high doses in certain proportions of Vit. C, Calcium, Vit B6, folic acid, L-Lycine, 5-HTP, and L-Tyrosine. I will be treating depression and trying to get away from Cymbalta. The protocal is known as the "Hinz method" and the theory is that it replenishes depleted neuro-transmitters. I think there has been a fair amount of medical research done on it. I would be very interested in anyone else's experience or thoughts. Thanks, Green Willow
http://www.neuroassist.com
Posted by senfar on January 29, 2010, at 23:52:05
In reply to Re: NeuroResearch clinics, posted by Green Willow on November 18, 2009, at 18:04:12
I came across the following answer by Dr.Ray Sahelian in reply to Dr. Marty Hinz's post on Dr.Sahelian's website (www.raysahelian.com). Since it includes a comment about some ingredients in the Neuroassist protocol you may find it useful.
"Q. My name is Marty L. Hinz, MD, President Clinical Research, NeuroResearch Clinics, Inc. Cape Coral, Florida USA. There is a recently published peer reviewed literature relating to neurotransmitters and neurotransmitter testing. I attached a chapter from a new medical text book edited by Ingrid Kohlstadt, MD of Johns Hopkins Medical School and a writing by the University of Minnesota Medical School that is in the May 2009 Journal of NeuroPsychiatry. Of concern is laboratory companies out there that are promoting neurotransmitter testing trying to test basic neurotransmitter science that is not supported by the literature and these peer reviewed articles.
A. A review of the chapter written by D. Marty L. Hinz, M.D. that was attached in the email leads to a section that says,
TABLE 29.1
The Generic Amino Acid Dosing Protocol (milligrams of 5-HTP / milligrams tyrosine) If relief of symptoms is not obtained with level 3 dosing, obtain urinary neurotransmitter testing. Use of proper levels of cofactors and sulfur amino acids is required for optimal results
LEVEL AM NOON 4 PM 7 PM
1 150/1500 150/1500
2 150/1500 150/1500 300/1500
3 150/1500 150/1500 300/1500 300/1500The generic protocol developed for treatment of neurotransmitter dysfunction disease relating to the catecholamine system and/or serotonin system involves the use of tyrosine, 5-HTP, and cofactors. Results do not appear to be dependent on taking the amino acids with or without food. The following cofactors need to be used along with the amino acid precursors:
Vitamin C 1000 mg/day
Vitamin B6 75 mg/day
Calcium 500 mg 500 mg/day
In addition
Cysteine 4500 mg/day in equally divided doses
Selenium 400 mcg/day
Folic acid 2000 to 3000 mcg/dayDr. Sahelian comments: I am concerned that many people on this protocol will have heart rhythm disturbances and insomnia. Tyrosine can cause heart rhythm problems in as a low a dosage as 250 mg. I also do not believe that urinary neurotransmitter testing is necessary, it is just an additional expense. I have not seen any peer reviewed published research that demonstrates that repeatedly testing urinary neurotransmitter levels leads to a better outcome for patients who are depressed.
Many people with mild to moderate depression may find mood elevation with using 50 to 100 mg of 5-HTP supplements bought online or in a health food store without incurring the expense of doctor visits and neurotransmitter testing. Others benefit from SAM-e and St. John's wort. Some people who promote these kinds of tests are likely to monetarily profit from the testing. There have been countless people who have recovered from their depression without incurring the costs of such urinary neurotransmitter testing.
I am also concerned about the high dosages of selenium. Studies have shown that high amounts, usually over 100 mcg a day, can reduce longevity.
Posted by Green Willow on January 31, 2010, at 21:23:38
In reply to Re: NeuroResearch clinics, posted by senfar on January 29, 2010, at 23:52:05
Posted by Hombre on February 8, 2010, at 19:28:34
In reply to thanks much for the info here (nm) » senfar, posted by Green Willow on January 31, 2010, at 21:23:38
After studying the NeuroResearch protocols and finding the Nutrition Facts on their products, I decided to try their basic protocol for depression by purchasing all the supplements myself at a much lower cost. Note, I could only afford to take 1000mg of cysteine and did not supplement selenium.
I can't say it really made a difference in terms of depression, not in any consistent way at least.
Posted by Green Willow on February 8, 2010, at 19:54:50
In reply to Re: thanks much for the info here, posted by Hombre on February 8, 2010, at 19:28:34
> After studying the NeuroResearch protocols and finding the Nutrition Facts on their products, I decided to try their basic protocol for depression by purchasing all the supplements myself at a much lower cost. Note, I could only afford to take 1000mg of cysteine and did not supplement selenium.
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> I can't say it really made a difference in terms of depression, not in any consistent way at least.My family doctor suggested I buy the ingredients and try myself as well. He is not one of the ones who is trained in it, but I took the list of ingredients to him. I've decided to hold off and not do anything for the time being at least.
Posted by Hombre on February 11, 2010, at 6:32:14
In reply to Re: thanks much for the info here » Hombre, posted by Green Willow on February 8, 2010, at 19:54:50
> > After studying the NeuroResearch protocols and finding the Nutrition Facts on their products, I decided to try their basic protocol for depression by purchasing all the supplements myself at a much lower cost. Note, I could only afford to take 1000mg of cysteine and did not supplement selenium.
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> > I can't say it really made a difference in terms of depression, not in any consistent way at least.
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> My family doctor suggested I buy the ingredients and try myself as well. He is not one of the ones who is trained in it, but I took the list of ingredients to him. I've decided to hold off and not do anything for the time being at least.
I think it is cool that your doctor is open to you trying it. I don't think it is really harmful to take these supplements if you aren't already on some sort of psy-meds. I do recommend trying a good multivitamin and probably B-complex and C. Can't hurt.I should also add that I thought I was dealing with straight depression when I tried the 5-htp and tyrosine; since then my current doc and I think I'm bipolar II, so that may make a difference too.
Good luck.
Posted by Green Willow on February 11, 2010, at 12:22:31
In reply to Re: thanks much for the info here, posted by Hombre on February 11, 2010, at 6:32:14
> I think it is cool that your doctor is open to you trying it. I don't think it is really harmful to take these supplements if you aren't already on some sort of psy-meds. I do recommend trying a good multivitamin and probably B-complex and C. Can't hurt.
I am already on Cymbalta and I get really hyper from B Complex and can't sleep when I take it. Not sure if I could go on the aminos without stopping the Cymbalta. Would you know?
Posted by Hombre on February 15, 2010, at 0:15:44
In reply to Re: thanks much for the info here » Hombre, posted by Green Willow on February 11, 2010, at 12:22:31
> > I think it is cool that your doctor is open to you trying it. I don't think it is really harmful to take these supplements if you aren't already on some sort of psy-meds. I do recommend trying a good multivitamin and probably B-complex and C. Can't hurt.
>
> I am already on Cymbalta and I get really hyper from B Complex and can't sleep when I take it. Not sure if I could go on the aminos without stopping the Cymbalta. Would you know?B vitamins can have that effect on some people. To each his own, I guess.
I think your pdoc is the only one that can give you the OK to take aminos with Cymbalta. I wouldn't. I took aminos/vitamins because I was not getting proper care from a psychiatrist at the time, which now seems foolish but I guess my pride got in the way.
Good luck.
Posted by Green Willow on February 15, 2010, at 10:41:37
In reply to Re: thanks much for the info here » Green Willow, posted by Hombre on February 15, 2010, at 0:15:44
>wouldn't. I took aminos/vitamins because I was not getting proper care from a psychiatrist at the time, which now seems foolish but I guess my pride got in the way.
>Yep, I know what you mean! GW
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