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Posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2010, at 21:48:42
First I trust a pdoc, then an endo, then an internist, then a bone doc, then the bioidentical doc and none of them care a hoot. I don't know where to turn. It's sure not another doc. Just found out the testosterone in the bioidenticals schedule iii in USA so can't even trust a fully paid doctor. I will never see another doc again. No mammo this year, two years since ob-gyn and none of them is touching me again. They just don't know what they're doing. One sends you to another one as not their speciality and on and on the list goes. So no more docs for ever. There. Phillipa I used to trust uhh uhh no more
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on January 5, 2010, at 21:53:56
In reply to I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!!, posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2010, at 21:48:42
what happened? I lost trust with a doctor who used to pick up the phone and speak Vanity to my therpist which he had no right to do. Kinda show's who they REALLY are, and what they stand for. "Self"
Posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2010, at 21:57:12
In reply to Re: I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!!, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on January 5, 2010, at 21:53:56
They lied to me all of them. So none anymore. Phillipa
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on January 5, 2010, at 22:02:34
In reply to Re: I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!! » rjlockhart04-08, posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2010, at 21:57:12
There's people that could just give nothing, even a caring therpist, alot of love comes out of the mouth but their heart goes to what they really care about.
What happened?
Posted by inanimate peanut on January 5, 2010, at 22:14:07
In reply to I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!!, posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2010, at 21:48:42
There are good doctors out there-- they're just hard to find. There's no reason you have to go back to your current docs if you don't trust them, but you really need to work on finding docs you trust. For one thing, you can't prescribe your own meds. For another, docs occasionally tell us things we don't know that are good for us. I'm not following the advice of my doc really well right now but I still think it's good to go see her and get her advice. The more people you have caring for you, the better-- right? I just think you need to find better ones.
Posted by janejane on January 6, 2010, at 6:31:02
In reply to I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!!, posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2010, at 21:48:42
Well, I understand your frustration, but it isn't very realistic to go without. I've been having trouble finding good docs too. I did find this website, which might help.
http://www.ratemds.com/social/?q=node/11
Put in your zip and a search radius (I think this is better than searching the whole state), choose the specialty, and click "show rated docs only" to just bring up the ones who've been rated. I wish it had more doctors and reviews, but it's a start and might give you some ideas.
Posted by Maxime on January 6, 2010, at 9:10:59
In reply to I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!!, posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2010, at 21:48:42
How will you get your meds? How will you monitor your thyroid. All these things have to be done by a doctor. I am curious to know how these doctors crossed you, what did they do wrong?
Posted by manic666 on January 6, 2010, at 12:45:56
In reply to Re: I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!! » rjlockhart04-08, posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2010, at 21:57:12
The reason the docs dont bother about you , is whatever they say or prescribe, you wont take it.You go home read every google about a med an find something wrong.Somebody may have said the had a bad reaction out of 2,000 000 an you wont take it, you have a med phobia. you know that an the docs do, so how can they help you.They all work on a network so you could be on a list, or they inform each other, If you stopped googleing every illness in the book,an got your anxierty down with new meds who know,s ????????
Posted by Jeroen on January 6, 2010, at 13:45:34
In reply to I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!!, posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2010, at 21:48:42
things what happened to me
- No white blood count monitoring on Clozapine
- TD neglience in my eyes, doctor didnt put me off GEODON
- Brain damage from lamictal, no warnings from doctor about TD risk
- Judgement Psychiatrist (i ment from court) after talkin 5 minutes with me i am a danger to society, i am now forced into psychiatry fo 5 years, i cant go home or they call the police to get me
- No improvement in my mood with all the meds i've taken
- Severe Tachardia from Seroquel, almost like a heart attack and falling backover and extreme sedation
- Invega induced extreme light sensitivity almost like a light psychosis...
Last hope: Glycine, Saphris, Iloperidone (i think this ones dangerous)
Posted by 2nd xylophone on January 6, 2010, at 15:34:59
In reply to to Philippa, posted by Jeroen on January 6, 2010, at 13:45:34
At the point where you find yourself it might be best if you did "quit" imo. I wouldn't want you to neglect your physical health but maybe some exploration - example therapy or other psychiatric intervents - and time away from fretting with other physical health concerns, medications and the like would be beneficial.
Posted by Phillipa on January 6, 2010, at 19:12:53
In reply to Re: to Philippa, posted by 2nd xylophone on January 6, 2010, at 15:34:59
Maxie the endo is fine. And now got the other doc with the bioidenticals again. What a story heard today. Later will post on health. Phillipa Jeroen you've been through the mill so sorry.
Posted by mtdewcmu on January 7, 2010, at 11:36:01
In reply to I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!!, posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2010, at 21:48:42
If you live near the US-Mexico border you could basically treat yourself. The pharmacies in Mexico will sell you any prescription drug as long as it's not a controlled substance. Some will even sell controlled substances. The only problem is that not all medications are available.
Posted by Phillipa on January 7, 2010, at 21:12:41
In reply to Re: I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!!, posted by mtdewcmu on January 7, 2010, at 11:36:01
Nope North Carolina. An old babbler lives in San Diego and I know he goes there for meds. He wouldn't get for me though at times he's mean. Thanks Phillipa
Posted by casse on January 11, 2010, at 13:03:37
In reply to Re: I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!! » mtdewcmu, posted by Phillipa on January 7, 2010, at 21:12:41
Sorry about your frustration with your Doctors. I've just about had a meltdown with all my "handlers" lately too.
I took a moderately high dose of Hydrocodone ( 20-40 mg a day) for 3 years, and decided to quit in Oct 2008. Since then, for every problem I go to a Dr. with I am told it's withdrawl. I tapered for 6 months btw. Nov '08 - April '09, and haven't touched any since April 27, 2009. It's as though they are fixated on the opiates and can't see outside that box. I had a GI tell me today that severe gastrointestinal contractions that go from esophagus to rectum are from withdrawl. Why didn't I have this problem when I first quit the opiates??? And why were they getting worse until I started taking tianeptine? Go figure! I could scream. Whew. Sorry, I hope I didn't hijack your thread!
I'm going to try and locate my GP again. She left private practice in 2008 but I hear she's back. If you have even one compassionate Dr. stick with that one. But I hope you don't give up. I'm not!
Posted by Phillipa on January 11, 2010, at 19:54:12
In reply to Re: I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!! » Phillipa, posted by casse on January 11, 2010, at 13:03:37
Compassionate no but qualified and knowledgeable I think the endo and bioidentical doctors are or they are good at faking. No you sure didn't hyjack. Phillipa
Posted by tea on January 12, 2010, at 18:24:21
In reply to I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!!, posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2010, at 21:48:42
> First I trust a pdoc, then an endo, then an internist, then a bone doc, then the bioidentical doc and none of them care a hoot. I don't know where to turn. It's sure not another doc. Just found out the testosterone in the bioidenticals schedule iii in USA so can't even trust a fully paid doctor. I will never see another doc again. No mammo this year, two years since ob-gyn and none of them is touching me again. They just don't know what they're doing. One sends you to another one as not their speciality and on and on the list goes. So no more docs for ever. There. Phillipa I used to trust uhh uhh no more
If you helps I feel the same(and have for years). Although if I have a heart attack,or cancer etc. an emergency doc can operate. I still have faith in those who do emrgecy surgical procedures.. other than that.. nope:) Also not having mammograms any more.. but I wouyldnt mind one of those thermograms Mercola advocates.. I wouldnt get a srip for one in Oz though:)
tea
Posted by Phillipa on January 12, 2010, at 21:57:02
In reply to Re: I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!! » Phillipa, posted by tea on January 12, 2010, at 18:24:21
Tea seriously you decided against any more mammograms? As I'm due for yearly and once had biopsy for calcification benign a marker chip inserted all have been normal since then. At 63 would you skip to two years? I get so anxious waiting for results. Also just started on bioidentical hormone creams comounded based on blood lab results for osteoporosis as the meds all have too many risks and side effects. That combined with calcium magnesium vita D3 and K hoping will work. Do wish we had the strotium that Europe has. What do you think the options that are the best are? Love Phillipa
Posted by tea on January 13, 2010, at 0:03:48
In reply to Re: I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!! » tea, posted by Phillipa on January 12, 2010, at 21:57:02
Philippa, I can't tell you what you should do. Really if I don't want to be in trouble I should say go for the mammograms as that way you may find a possible cancer sooner esp if adding in HRT.
I was only adding in my tuppence worth for myself only:) I've given up on most docs..just agreeing with u there:) I'm sure there are good ones out there, and like I said the surgeons.. like if I was i a traffic accident or had a limb blown off in a war or had cancer or a tumour in the brain, or a heart attack...all those docs seem to be mostly terrific! That is what medicine excels at IMHO only.
I'm sure you'd go for docs in those cases as well if you think about it! Some people don't though..some stay right away from all docs due to their religion, beliefs etc gee I had a 2nd cousin who is 89? (I think) who has never been to a doc in her life or taken any tablet either! But her sister who is 85 takes a handful of tablets a day. The younger sister was always weaker and the older sister has been athletic and fit just moved in from running a farm singlehandedly for many years after her husband died. Gee I couldnt undo a jar so she said give it here and just one twist...sigh. She also had got up early to bake cakes and scones and regaled us with stories and went thru the photo albums.. way fitter them me.
I've just known many folk lately who've been made worse by docs, mostly just prescibing large doses of every possible med for a suspected condition and not monitoring adequately, or looking at interactions (the more the more principle), I just avoid them wherever possible...hence no diagnosis of course. But once you are on thryoid meds etc you HAVE to go occasionally for the scrips..I just dont get any tests. Its only me, given up.. not something I could advise for anyone to do.
I was made worse by going thru pdrug after pdrug for over 10 years myself.
My fav. doc moved o'seas a couple of years ago and I really havent found another since. My other one fell off a ladder and no longer practises as a GP.
However I guess that is wrong as I DO have a couple of GP's that treat me for accupuncture who I think are really great at accupuncture..its just the meds, the ones that should involve some understanding more than the docs have I think that I dont really trust anymore.
Re mammograms- They just hurt me, so I've giving up on those and noone in my family has ever had breast cancer so I figure I'm low risk, at least as low as most men. My family tends to get ovarian cancer which they dont run routine tests for? The mammogram tests were designed for the average risk female, I may be wrong but I think I'm below that. Like I said those thermogram test by Mercola.com look good and less painful though, and perhaps more accurate(I think he says so). Have a look on mercola.com and eneter thermogram?
Posted by Phillipa on January 13, 2010, at 19:30:40
In reply to Re: I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!!, posted by tea on January 13, 2010, at 0:03:48
Tea thing is if had a tumor would not do chemo or radiation. After working as an RN I saw too much suffering and knowing at any time could reappear in another location is too stressful for me. Will probably wait another six months and get it after this stupid osteoporosis is taken care of. Joined site by the national osteoporois center. It's googable. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on January 13, 2010, at 20:53:20
In reply to Re: I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!! » tea, posted by Phillipa on January 13, 2010, at 19:30:40
Guess better change mind. Phillipa
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WebMD Health NewsReviewed by Louise Chang, MDJan. 6, 2010 - Blasting new breast cancer screening advice from a Health and Human Services Department panel, radiologists say women need annual mammograms starting no later than age 40.Recent guidelines from the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) -- an outside group of experts that makes health recommendations based on the best available evidence -- call for women to start every-other-year screening at age 50 unless they are more comfortable with starting earlier.
That change from annual screening beginning at age 40 is "ill advised and dangerous," say the American College of Radiology and the Society of Breast Imaging.
Claiming that the new guidelines will cause "countless unnecessary breast cancer deaths each year," the groups call for a return to annual screening at age 40 for average-risk women, and annual screening starting at age 30 (or even as early as age 25) for higher-risk women.
The USPSTF calculates that the greatest benefit of breast cancer screening is for women ages 60 to 69. Evidence on women 75 years or older does not exist. For younger women, the USPSTF calculates that to extend the life of a just one woman, 1,904 women ages 40 to 49 and 1,339 women ages 50 to 59 must be screened.
That's where the debate begins. A woman's risk of breast cancer starts rising sharply at age 40. The USPSTF calculates that breast cancer risk gets large enough by age 50 to justify the "potential harms" of screening. These harms include anxiety over false-positive results and painful, unnecessary biopsies. The radiology groups say the risk at age 40 already justifies any such harm -- and that catching cancer at an earlier stage prevents the harm of more difficult late-stage treatment.
Because women have been taught for years that breast cancer is most curable and most easily treated when caught early, the USPSTF guidelines were met with a public uproar. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius soon told women under 50 that the suggested guidelines would not become federal health policy.
Now radiologists have officially joined the uproar. Memorial Sloan-Kettering radiologist Carol H. Lee, MD, chairwoman of the American College of Radiology Breast Imaging Commission, condemned the USPSTF recommendations as "unfounded."
"The USPSTF recommendations are a step backward and represent a significant harm to women's health," Lee says in a news release. "At least 40 percent of the patient years of life saved by mammographic screening are of women ages 40 to 49."
Lee and colleagues put forth the radiologists' own guidelines in a strongly worded article in the January issue of the Journal of the American College of Radiology. Those recommendations include:
Regular annual screening beginning at age 40 for women at average risk of breast cancer.
Regular annual screening beginning at age 30, but not before age 25, for women with increased risk of breast cancer due to BRCA1 or BRCA2 gene mutations, a mother or sister with premenopausal breast cancer, or both a maternal and paternal relative with premenopausal breast cancer.
Regular annual screening should continue for all women with a life expectancy of less than five to seven years, based on age or health conditions.
While the USPSTF has already softened the wording of its original guidelines, the panel continues to recommend mammograms every other year.As for women under age 50, the USPSTF now suggests that the decision to start breast cancer screening "should be an individual one and take patient context into account, including the patient's values regarding specific benefits and harms."
Posted by tea on January 14, 2010, at 0:19:26
In reply to Re: I Quit! Can't trust any docs!!!! » tea, posted by Phillipa on January 13, 2010, at 19:30:40
> Tea thing is if had a tumor would not do chemo or radiation. After working as an RN I saw too much suffering and knowing at any time could reappear in another location is too stressful for me. Will probably wait another six months and get it after this stupid osteoporosis is taken care of. Joined site by the national osteoporois center. It's googable. Phillipa
Yeah, but I still reckon you'd be clamouring to let someone (preferably the best surgeon in that field) cut it out!..I know I was (didn't have any when they opened me up last year:. I can genuinely say I panicked and had anxiety "for real" full blown. I was taking ldn then (up to 2 days b4 op? from memory), so I don't know if it made the anxiety worse.. but I couldnt sleep and was just a ball of panic. I kept telling myself to calm down for my own good and for the best outcome, I just couldn't. Wierd.
Maybe ldn worsens reAL emotional panic.
However for the usual "panic attacks", ie breathing difficulties, lack of oxygen feeling including "going white" in face and tense jaw I get, ldn helps ..almost stops it. I believe these NOT to be psych related at all...but havent been able to convince anyone! sure don't fell like I'm pancing about anything and they usually happens in crowded rooms where there would not be a lot of oxygen(air conditoned, and usually down low or not truned on!)..if there are wide open windows I'm fine(or if they have the airconditioning up full too). Other times are in bed in middle of night..which apparently is a clasic time to have panic attack.. but I think its more hormonal or something.. I'm actually enjoying the sleep before my dog used to wake me up and I'd find I would be gasping for air on waking. Now I just sleep between 2 open doors and I'm fine(unless the dorr blows shut when I'm alseep). I don't get this either on ldn, so far.
Posted by tea on January 14, 2010, at 0:31:54
In reply to Re: For Tea And Others Mammograms!, posted by Phillipa on January 13, 2010, at 20:53:20
As for women under age 50, the USPSTF now suggests that the decision to start breast cancer screening "should be an individual one and take patient context into account, including the patient's values regarding specific benefits and harms."
Well I THINK it should read For all women of any age (but probably not before 30, and they aught to be warned that mammograms dont work in dense tissue much..so if you are under 50 with dense tisse they are a waste of time mostly.. my one was.. the tissue was too dense to see anything?
So with that proviso warning its hould read
"for all woman, the USPSTF now suggests that the decision to start breast cancer screening "should be an individual one and take patient context into account, including the patient's values regarding specific benefits and harms."
Actually I think that should apply to everything? I dont think the medical system or govt should bully anyone in a test they don't want?
OK maybe they have a point with infectious diseases, but otherwise?One female doc has refused to treat me as I refused to have mammogram..told I was not aloowed to return unless I had one, and I was bei8ng inconsiderate as it was hard enough to get the govt to pay for the mass screening!!! gee..suits me:) LOL
http://naturalhealthcenter.mercola.com/services/Thermography.aspx
Thermogram- the one I would have if it was available for me(which it isn't and I'm not going to fly to the US for one:-)BTW the risk factors are AVERAGES, I'm sure my risk is less.
There are many tests I would love to have though where I am high risk, but those are not offered. I'm unsure if I agree with mass screenings per se, maybe I am more for more individualised medicine.
A bit like putting all females of age 35 or 40 on antiD's !
Posted by tea on January 14, 2010, at 18:11:45
In reply to Re: For Tea And Others Mammograms!, posted by Phillipa on January 13, 2010, at 20:53:20
http://www.raysahelian.com/complementarymedicine.html
on mammograms, I agree with, but I would not give any recommendation- that's your individual hopefully well informed choice
Posted by Phillipa on January 14, 2010, at 19:35:52
In reply to Re: For Tea And Others Mammograms! » Phillipa, posted by tea on January 14, 2010, at 18:11:45
Tea extremly informative. Since had one last year that was negative and age 63 probably will pass this year. I do use compounded hormone creams from a prescription from a bonefide doctor. Do you believe in the creams for both osteoporosis and feeling better? I've had mammograms since age 40 and twice wanted biopsies the anxiety excruciating. And the one had negative and no lumps felt next year sounds better what do you think? Love Phillipa
Posted by tea on January 15, 2010, at 12:55:57
In reply to Re: For Tea And Others Mammograms! » tea, posted by Phillipa on January 14, 2010, at 19:35:52
> Tea extremly informative. Since had one last year that was negative and age 63 probably will pass this year. I do use compounded hormone creams from a prescription from a bonefide doctor. Do you believe in the creams for both osteoporosis and feeling better? I've had mammograms since age 40 and twice wanted biopsies the anxiety excruciating. And the one had negative and no lumps felt next year sounds better what do you think? Love Phillipa
Sorry Phillipa, I really can't add anything.
I had lumps that were painful but they seemed to go away applying iodine to skin on breasts. I could no longer feel the lumps, that were cysts on ultrasound, and still can't, so no painful boobs, but my hormones have changed too. Surprisingly the last ultrasound, over 2 yearsago, the lumps had spread even though I could no longer feel anything and feel no more pain? That's why I huess I would like one of those thermograms one day to check it all. Strange isnt it all. All I do know know is the iodine changed something,- Need to spend my time on looking at ldn and some other problems I have atm. All that hormonal stuff is a HUGE topic and mostly unknown, It sounds like you know as much as me working with your doc on this. I'm still very tired.
tea
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