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Posted by uncouth on September 26, 2009, at 20:38:03
I just skimmed UltraMind solution, book that suggests a wide variety of "mental illness" can be traced to more systemic dysfunction. Author suggests a variety of things, but i'm most interested in hearing whether anyone has been able to trace a dairy or gluten allergy to their mood issues.
I figure 6 years and upteen meds/combos/ECT, I might want to consider whether there is something else that is causing my troubles.
So -- dairy and gluten reactions: are these for real with respect to mood disorders? If I was really allergic wouldn't I see other physical problems as well?
I think next week i'm going to try going off dairy and gluten for an extended period of time and see what happens.
Also: if anyone can suggest a good integrative MD in San Francisco, please babblemail me.
Posted by Phillipa on September 27, 2009, at 0:50:52
In reply to UltraMind Solution...dairy / gluten allergies?, posted by uncouth on September 26, 2009, at 20:38:03
Uncouth you know my google search on hasimotos leads me to believe that this whole integrative medicine might really be it. I just apologized to bb for being rude. Love Phillipa get one if you can the MD.
Posted by maoi_wowee on September 27, 2009, at 6:11:32
In reply to UltraMind Solution...dairy / gluten allergies?, posted by uncouth on September 26, 2009, at 20:38:03
VERY interesting...I've noticed that when I consume dairy late in the day it puts me in an exhausted, depressed fog the next day.
I tested this dozens of times b/c it seemed like such a weird thing (and mostly b/c I didn't want to give up my evening ice cream), and it's definitely the case for me.
I'm wondering now if all dairy is effecting my energy and mood and if I need to give it up all together. Probably makes sense.
> I just skimmed UltraMind solution, book that suggests a wide variety of "mental illness" can be traced to more systemic dysfunction. Author suggests a variety of things, but i'm most interested in hearing whether anyone has been able to trace a dairy or gluten allergy to their mood issues.
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> I figure 6 years and upteen meds/combos/ECT, I might want to consider whether there is something else that is causing my troubles.
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> So -- dairy and gluten reactions: are these for real with respect to mood disorders? If I was really allergic wouldn't I see other physical problems as well?
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> I think next week i'm going to try going off dairy and gluten for an extended period of time and see what happens.
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> Also: if anyone can suggest a good integrative MD in San Francisco, please babblemail me.
Posted by bleauberry on September 27, 2009, at 6:40:58
In reply to UltraMind Solution...dairy / gluten allergies?, posted by uncouth on September 26, 2009, at 20:38:03
Before I comment some opinions, let me first make this clear...ALL medical treatments, herbal treatments, and dietary treatments are EXPERIMENTAL.
What we can do with modern technology is roam the world via internet and discover what actual patients have to say about their experiences. In doint so, we will find that one of the biggest improvements in Autistic children is to avoid gluten and dairy. We also find many autistic children improve with heavy metal chelation, with the assumption the metals accumulated in genetically prone individuals from the preservatives in their infancy immunity shots, which are 50% mercury. Mercury just happens to mess up a whole of things, including enzymes that transform a dairy protein called cassein into its proper safe metabolites, and a grain protein called gluten into its proper metabolites. When those enzymes are disabled, those proteins turn into other substances which fall in the category of neurotoxins.
I know your question is not about Autism. The point is, the same kind of reasoning overlaps into all diseases. Might not be mercury or gluten, but it is something, and we can find out what the possibilites are when we look to those who were cured or improved. Those cases happen more outside the doctor's office than inside. Thousands of mothers have been forced to self-treat and self-experiment with their own children because their doctors proved themselves impotent to help. It is in those thousands of experimental mothers we find a huge body of evidence of what works and what doesn't.
None of this is heavily studied. Again, all treatments are experimental. We have to look at what works, and we may never know why it works. It's no different in psychiatry. When Paxil works for someone, we don't know why.
As an analogy, I believe every ailment is like a lock that needs a key. The problem is there are 100 keys. It might be an herbal one, a pharm one, or a dietary one. We have to try a bunch of keys, including ones that do not appear to make much sense at first glance.
Even healthy people I know swear they feel better without gluten.
I was diagnosed with gluten intolerance due to extremely high gluten antibodies. When I don't eat gluten, I don't feel any improvement. I do avoid a mild hangover feeling. I do avoid a flareup of a stubborn abcess. If I eat gluten, I get a bit hungover the next day and the abcess flares up. In terms of depression, it has not helped much. But it does help many people. In my opinion, if there is a gluten intolerance it is itself a symptom, not a disease of its own, that is caused by a bigger disease such as Candida, metals, adrenal fatigue, unsuspected infectious agents, bad food choices, and even medicines themselves. The gluten intolerance is just a sign that something bigger is at play. With the exception of Celiac disease, which is a genetic flaw in breaking down gluten molecules.
But it is definitely worth a look because so many people ARE helped. And it's easy. Stop both dairy and gluten (wheat, rye, oats, barley, barley malt) for a week minimum, two weeks better. Then introduce each one back in, one at a time, and see what happens. You may notice no difference when you stop them, or you may notice a big difference. You may notice no difference when you restart them, and maybe a big difference. That is the easiest test to do. And free.
Well, actually it isn't that easy. I say that because if you eat burgers, pizzas, cereals, pastas...well, you're gonna be missing a lot of your favorite foods. General Mills Rice Chex is gluten free. Whole Foods Market has frozen gluten free pizza, and various pastas. They have an entire gluten free section with cookies, cake mixes, cereals, flours, everything. In their frozen food section is the only gluten free bread of more than a dozen I've tried that is really good....Millet Potato Bread. It is just like regular bread in taste and texture. They have good frozen gluten free donuts, vanilla frosted or cinnamon sugar.
You gotta read ingredient labels. Lots of things have in them "barley malt" as flavoring. That is gluten. Most oats have gluten from cross contamination in the fields.
Also avoid anything with MSG. If an ingredient label says "natural flavoring", avoid it for your test.
Rice or soy dairy products are substitutes for cow dairy. Not perfect, but good enough for a short dairy-free trial.
You are definitely on the right path looking for a biochemical explanation for psychiatry's failure with you. I mean, for example, if you have mercury molecules clogging up various receptors, is extra serotonin going to convince mercury to pack up its bags and leave? No. How about a hidden unsuspected infection...Candida, Borellia, parasites, various bacteria. Is extra serotonin going to chase them away? No. How about hypodadrenalism? Nothing works if cortisol is in the dumps. All of these things have massive negative impact on the brain, through powerful neurotoxins and through disruption of many biochemical pathways involved in receptor function and neurotransmitter function.
I live in a sparsely populated State but there are several Integrative MDs within 20 minutes, so you shouldn't have any problem finding one where you are. When you do, go in with specifics. Don't let them just guide you. You guide them. For example, "I want a DMSA urine challenge test, I want the Adrenal Stress Index Test, I want a trial of Doxycylcine for one week, I want a trial of Wormwood for one week". You can nail a ton of unsuspected nervous system diseases with these tests. Then you'll know what you're dealing with instead of guessing.
Where you are you will also have access to Chinese herbal experts. These people can be unsung geniuses. They know nothing about science. But they do know what plants work for what symptoms. They won't see you symptoms as you see them. For example, depression may be seen as a damp clogged liver or damp kidney. Good herbs would be ones with colors red and yellow that grow in bright sunshine. Plants that clean out toxins and cure fevers normally grow in damp shaded areas. Plants good for the bones actually have boney structures themselves. It is an entirely different way of diagnosis and treatment which seems completely absurd and ridiculous to us science buffs. We try to explain everything and want proof of everything, even though none of that exists. All that matters is that something will get someone well. Herbalists and Integrative MDs have toolboxes full of those kinds of things, and thousands of real-people experiences abound. Many are nothing short of miracles, when modern medicine failed.
You may find yourself being prescribed St Johns Wort, Lemon Balm, 5htp, tyrosine. How could these possibly work when ECT failed? Well, in the hands of a practitioner that knows what they are doing, these things do work amazing when medicine failed. That's why I do not see them as alternative treatments. I believe they should be primary treatments. Psychiatry should be the alternative treatment.
The best antidepressants I ever experienced were: Doxycycline, DMSA, puny dose hydrocortisone. I am but one of thousands with similar stories.
I am cheering for you. It is a new chapter. Hope abounds. Real answers are not far away. But again, everything in or out of a doctor's office is experimental. Keeping an open mind allows one to find the perfect key. It is a wise mind. The foolish mind pretends to have wisdom it does not have, and throws away keys recklessly based on hunch or theory.
Posted by Phillipa on September 27, 2009, at 20:00:15
In reply to Re: UltraMind Solution...dairy / gluten allergies?, posted by bleauberry on September 27, 2009, at 6:40:58
BB guess what saw a doc today in Urgent Care Clinic. He gets his childrens all inocculations preservative free so no mercury. So now my Daugher can request her new babie's vaccinations be preservative free. Phillipa
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 28, 2009, at 16:10:10
In reply to UltraMind Solution...dairy / gluten allergies?, posted by uncouth on September 26, 2009, at 20:38:03
A true allergy would give allergic symptoms. They're probably talking about sensitivity to the digestive products of those proteins. There are small protein fragments that can remain from partial digestion of e.g. the milk protein called casein, and the cereal protein gluten, that have bioactivity. Many of them have opioid-binding activity, and likely other hormone-like effects as well. There is no standard nomenclature for these protein fragments, but many of the milk protein fragments are known as casomorphins, and some gluten fragments are known as exorphins. Sometimes exorphin is used to broadly describe the whole category of similar peptides. For example, spinach yields an opioid active peptide called rubiscolin, and some call it an exorphin.
Individual production of these varies significantly, and so does sensitivity to them. Here's a page I found very quickly, to give some idea of how some people are describing the effects. I'm not endorsing the message, but providing a thinking point. Only you can determine if an elimination diet makes sense or not. And only you can learn to manage your food intake if you decide that it matters.
http://www.nutramed.com/eatingdisorders/addictivefoods.htm
Lar
Posted by Phillipa on September 28, 2009, at 21:07:43
In reply to Re: UltraMind Solution...dairy / gluten allergies? » uncouth, posted by Larry Hoover on September 28, 2009, at 16:10:10
In the six years I've lost my smell and taste the two taste and smell centers one at Wake Forrest Hospital second in Washington DC both said prednisone for two weeks followed up by theophylline 150mg twice a day. Did the prednisone not the theophylline instead lots of dark chocolate and green tea and black tea. A Bit of taste with the chocolate. Phillipa
Posted by epona_lee on September 29, 2009, at 20:37:25
In reply to UltraMind Solution...dairy / gluten allergies?, posted by uncouth on September 26, 2009, at 20:38:03
sort of. i cut out dairy and gluten and sugar from my diet and my mood was awesome, level, and focused. and the exzema on my feet went away. the problem is that i couldn't stick with the diet and my meds work better.
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