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Posted by ace on August 30, 2009, at 23:04:54
Well, what can I say....I have boosted the dose of Nardil up to 90mg now and I could not be happier. Things which seemed impossible two weeks ago, are now done not only with ease, but with a strong and robust sense of motivation.
Apart from small BP spikes and increased appetite (especially for chocolate) I am suffering no ill effects.
Nardil has QUASHED the previous SP symptoms....It has destroyed my anxiety, and substantially helped related depersonalization symptoms. It has totally eradicated my (intermittent) depressed mood. My cognitive function has never been better.I would like to emphasis that this medication (usually) requires an extended trial period. Usually 5-8 weeks. You also do need be aware of the therapeutic dose...I would suggest a minimum dose of 60mg (reached by the 4th week of therapy)
It can sometimes worsen certain symptoms at start-up.
If you wish to try it, please be patient.
The side-effects usually are noticeble, but certainly manageable.
The diet restrictions are really not such a big deal.
This`is a SAFE medication when used with a modicum of intelligence!!The medical community has been brainwashed into believing it is not a safe medication....
The medical community are now not educated on the supreme efficacy or Nardil and Parnate.
the medical community only gets informed on the SSRI's- I do think they are beneficial in certain people, but often have very bad s/effects, withdrawal syndromes and are nowhere near as efficacious as the MAOI'sI have collected hundreds of anectodes, clinical trials`and documents on the MAOI's, so I am not talking without substainal evidence for my claims.
I w`ish you all the best, and happy to answer any questions:)
Ace
Nardil- 90
Xanax- 0.125 (will cease shortly)
Seroquel- 25
Posted by Justherself54 on August 30, 2009, at 23:16:52
In reply to The Nardil Champ is at it again....!!!!, posted by ace on August 30, 2009, at 23:04:54
Eeek Ace. Don't read my anger rant a few threads up. Got triggered or something. I'm so happy you're still the Nardil Champ!
Posted by g_g_g_unit on August 31, 2009, at 0:02:33
In reply to The Nardil Champ is at it again....!!!!, posted by ace on August 30, 2009, at 23:04:54
do you take Seroquel for Nardil-induced insomnia or OCD (my guess is, at that dose, it's the latter)?
i aborted my trial due to insomnia which i didn't want to treat with seroquel because i'm not really comfortable taking anti-psychotics.
unfortunately, i feel like my options are a lot more limited at this stage, and would be willing to take it to treat transient MAOI-insomnia.
what's your experience like with low-dose Seroquel? do you experience any next-day effects or finds it diminishes the impact of Nardil?
Posted by ace on August 31, 2009, at 1:35:09
In reply to Re: The Nardil Champ is at it again....!!!!, posted by Justherself54 on August 30, 2009, at 23:16:52
> Eeek Ace. Don't read my anger rant a few threads up. Got triggered or something.
That's OK- it happens to the best of us!
I'm so happy you're still the Nardil Champ!
Thanks so much!!
Ace:)
Posted by ace on August 31, 2009, at 1:43:18
In reply to Re: The Nardil Champ is at it again....!!!!, posted by g_g_g_unit on August 31, 2009, at 0:02:33
> do you take Seroquel for Nardil-induced insomnia or OCD (my guess is, at that dose, it's the latter)?
Correct! I use low dose Seroquel exclusively for OCD, I have no insomnia at all with Nardil...rather it induces sedation. That being said, I do have REM disruption (at the start of therapy, and when titrating dose up)
>
> i aborted my trial due to insomnia which i didn't want to treat with seroquel because i'm not really comfortable taking anti-psychotics.Plenty of safe agents you can use to treat insomnia in addition to natural methods. In addition, the insomnia may abate on it's own.
> unfortunately, i feel like my options are a lot more limited at this stage, and would be willing to take it to treat transient MAOI-insomnia.At 25mg Seroquel is very safe. I was really fretting about taking Zyprexa, but, really, at low doses they are very safe. I havent seen any evidence that they cause long-term dyskinesias....however, obviously a lower dose is better.
> what's your experience like with low-dose Seroquel? do you experience any next-day effects or finds it diminishes the impact of Nardil?Seroquel helps the OCD phenomena. It does not, in any way diminish Nardil's therapeutic action, nor do I feel any after effects (i.e groggy) the next day.
However, at start up you may experience this. i started on 400mg of Seroquel- way too high, and no need for it. I got down to the low dose, and retained exactly the same benefitis of the high dose (although not as much sedative/hypnotic effect!)In your case I would maybe try some natural methods first, then, if no effect, add on a medication at the lowest possible effective dose.
I hope this helps, please feel free to ask more,
Ace:)
Posted by Phillipa on August 31, 2009, at 12:11:57
In reply to Re: The Nardil Champ is at it again....!!!! » g_g_g_unit, posted by ace on August 31, 2009, at 1:43:18
Hi Ace you didn't do your assignment for the day assuming you didn't receive my mail. Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on August 31, 2009, at 13:51:57
In reply to Re: The Nardil Champ is at it again....!!!!, posted by g_g_g_unit on August 31, 2009, at 0:02:33
> do you take Seroquel for Nardil-induced insomnia or OCD (my guess is, at that dose, it's the latter)?
>
> i aborted my trial due to insomnia which i didn't want to treat with seroquel because i'm not really comfortable taking anti-psychotics.
>
> unfortunately, i feel like my options are a lot more limited at this stage, and would be willing to take it to treat transient MAOI-insomnia.
>
> what's your experience like with low-dose Seroquel? do you experience any next-day effects or finds it diminishes the impact of Nardil?I did a parnate trial and took my dose up to 60 mg. There was initial insomnia which eventually disappeared and turned into a very sound sleep.
Posted by g_g_g_unit on September 1, 2009, at 1:48:03
In reply to Re: The Nardil Champ is at it again....!!!! » g_g_g_unit, posted by ace on August 31, 2009, at 1:43:18
> Correct! I use low dose Seroquel exclusively for OCD, I have no insomnia at all with Nardil...rather it induces sedation. That being said, I do have REM disruption (at the start of therapy, and when titrating dose up)woops - i actually meant to say that at that dose i thought the Seroquel might strictly be used to treat insomnia. i have OCD as well, so the fact it helps at such a low dose is promising.
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> >
> > i aborted my trial due to insomnia which i didn't want to treat with seroquel because i'm not really comfortable taking anti-psychotics.
>
> Plenty of safe agents you can use to treat insomnia in addition to natural methods. In addition, the insomnia may abate on it's own.>
> > unfortunately, i feel like my options are a lot more limited at this stage, and would be willing to take it to treat transient MAOI-insomnia.
>
> At 25mg Seroquel is very safe. I was really fretting about taking Zyprexa, but, really, at low doses they are very safe. I havent seen any evidence that they cause long-term dyskinesias....however, obviously a lower dose is better.
>
>
> > what's your experience like with low-dose Seroquel? do you experience any next-day effects or finds it diminishes the impact of Nardil?
>
> Seroquel helps the OCD phenomena. It does not, in any way diminish Nardil's therapeutic action, nor do I feel any after effects (i.e groggy) the next day.
> However, at start up you may experience this. i started on 400mg of Seroquel- way too high, and no need for it. I got down to the low dose, and retained exactly the same benefitis of the high dose (although not as much sedative/hypnotic effect!)
>
> In your case I would maybe try some natural methods first, then, if no effect, add on a medication at the lowest possible effective dose.
>
> I hope this helps, please feel free to ask more,
> Ace:)i've just been prescribed Parnate, alongside 25mg Seroquel, to treat OCD, depression (with a li'l depersonalization thrown in for good measure), SAD .. pretty similar to your profile i guess, though the OCD hasn't been nearly so bad since my burnout a year ago.
do you experience any cognitive interference with Seroquel?
what natural methods would you recommend to combat insomnia?
Posted by ace on September 2, 2009, at 23:00:39
In reply to Re: The Nardil Champ is at it again....!!!!, posted by g_g_g_unit on September 1, 2009, at 1:48:03
>
> > Correct! I use low dose Seroquel exclusively for OCD, I have no insomnia at all with Nardil...rather it induces sedation. That being said, I do have REM disruption (at the start of therapy, and when titrating dose up)
>
> woops - i actually meant to say that at that dose i thought the Seroquel might strictly be used to treat insomnia. i have OCD as well, so the fact it helps at such a low dose is promising.
> >
> > >
> > > i aborted my trial due to insomnia which i didn't want to treat with seroquel because i'm not really comfortable taking anti-psychotics.
> >
> > Plenty of safe agents you can use to treat insomnia in addition to natural methods. In addition, the insomnia may abate on it's own.
>
> >
> > > unfortunately, i feel like my options are a lot more limited at this stage, and would be willing to take it to treat transient MAOI-insomnia.
> >
> > At 25mg Seroquel is very safe. I was really fretting about taking Zyprexa, but, really, at low doses they are very safe. I havent seen any evidence that they cause long-term dyskinesias....however, obviously a lower dose is better.
> >
> >
> > > what's your experience like with low-dose Seroquel? do you experience any next-day effects or finds it diminishes the impact of Nardil?
> >
> > Seroquel helps the OCD phenomena. It does not, in any way diminish Nardil's therapeutic action, nor do I feel any after effects (i.e groggy) the next day.
> > However, at start up you may experience this. i started on 400mg of Seroquel- way too high, and no need for it. I got down to the low dose, and retained exactly the same benefitis of the high dose (although not as much sedative/hypnotic effect!)
> >
> > In your case I would maybe try some natural methods first, then, if no effect, add on a medication at the lowest possible effective dose.
> >
> > I hope this helps, please feel free to ask more,
> > Ace:)
>
> i've just been prescribed Parnate, alongside 25mg Seroquel, to treat OCD, depression (with a li'l depersonalization thrown in for good measure), SAD .. pretty similar to your profile i guess, though the OCD hasn't been nearly so bad since my burnout a year ago.
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> do you experience any cognitive interference with SeroquelNo, none at all. At 25mg side effects are almost non-existant.
> what natural methods would you recommend to combat insomnia?
Valerian, Chamomile tea (being non specific this has been shown to help a lot of other things too) Kave, Sleep Therapy...
All the very best mate!
Ace:)
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