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Posted by Dima on July 18, 2009, at 2:31:31
I don't know how much longer I can keep looking for a solution to this depression. I'm only 18 and only started looking at the beginning of 2009 but I have very little patience and very little hope for something that will work. I constantly go out and spend money on supplements that have a minute chance of working, try them out for a couple days, and throw them aside and search some more. I've purchased magnesium citrate, magnesium glycinate, taurine, omega-3 oils, DHEA, 5-htp, melatonin, inositol, SAMe, vitamin complexes, and probably more.
I just bought the melatonin a couple hours ago and took 3 mg and once again I don't seem to get any effects. I am sick of wasting my money on these things and waiting for a day that I'm not even sure will come.
I know most of these take some time to kick in but it is so hard for me to wait longer than a few days without losing hope and trying to use my time to find a different solution.
I start college this fall and I wanted to finally figure out my situation before I'm out there, meeting new people. I currently have mild to moderate depression, mild social anxiety, and mild OCD. Someone help!?
Posted by manic 666 on July 18, 2009, at 3:49:16
In reply to Sick of searching, posted by Dima on July 18, 2009, at 2:31:31
maby your scared 0f colledge , an all this is causeing your problems, you met new people ,new place all that will kick you off,mild depression , is an every person thing, you will get in your life , the suppliments you are takeing work to a slight degree, if taken with p .doc meds,but i dont think you want to go down that road,let me tell you if you take an anti deppresant ,you may be sicker that you would imagine, so try an keep yourself busy an get out there an dont worry , once you start real meds it could ruin your young life but if there is a real problem then see a p doc
Posted by Zyprexa on July 18, 2009, at 4:48:58
In reply to Sick of searching, posted by Dima on July 18, 2009, at 2:31:31
You should try Glycine. Its a powder you mix in water by the teaspon. Its one of the most powerfull over the counter I tried. Glycine would probably work best for the OCD. Its slightly sedating. Its also a lot cheaper on line than in store if you can find it. Also you could try B-100. That helped my depression a lot, for an over the counter. I still take it and I'm on 2 ADs and 2 APs. If anything I would try the B-100, Its realy cheap and everywhere.
Why not take an antidepressant? They are fairly mild and you can get them from your regular doc.
Posted by sam K on July 18, 2009, at 11:30:50
In reply to Sick of searching, posted by Dima on July 18, 2009, at 2:31:31
wow this hits home with me. I'm 18 also and have searched long and hard too. Like an obsession really. I figured a great coping mechanism for this. I treat myself like a computer, I just shut myself down, I push the power button and shut off. Meaning I shut off my running mind trying to figure a solution and let go.
Ive found a great combo for me though, (as far as I know) is lamictal and adderall. Its really hard to give yourself a break when you're depressed though. I suggest getting a good doctor. Its funny because depression is such a treatable disease. The doc will probably put you on a antidepressant, and it will probably take depression away. But this is the catch, it can get rid of depression but people like me get side effects in return.
are you unmotivated? fatigued? what are the symptoms?
I'm sure you are teary and somewhat hopeless and helpless.
Id see a psychiatrist ASAP. Supplements are really mild but can be great to add to meds. I don't really like herbs though.
I feel for you so much, and never ever give up. No matter how dark it gets, light will come eventually.
and ps i understand wasting money on supplements.. lol. I suggest to get them off the internet or at wal mart only because they are so cheap. so you wont feel as guilty
Posted by sam K on July 18, 2009, at 11:39:34
In reply to Re: Sick of searching, posted by sam K on July 18, 2009, at 11:30:50
cus I know psychiatrists are a bit expensive! but IM RICH B****. just playin
Posted by bleauberry on July 18, 2009, at 12:13:36
In reply to Sick of searching, posted by Dima on July 18, 2009, at 2:31:31
If you want to continue with the natural treatment approach, here are some things that have a high probability of helping. The problem is, you have to take them and keep taking them. You can't do a few days a give up. If someone has diabetes, they can't just eat a few low sugar meals and give up. They can't just try a few insulin shots and give up. I someone has Lyme disease they can't just take a few days of antibiotics and give up. Ya know? When there is illness, which depression/anxiety/OCD are (or are the outward signs of one), it has to be treated every day continuously. It will not go away rapidly. When it is gone, efforts must be continued in order to keep it gone. So if you can't do something and stay with it, might as well forget ever finding improvement. That's just the way it is.
Ok. Enough lecture. Sorry. :-) The reason you couldn't stick with any of those things you've tried is because they are all pretty worthless. Yeah I know the internet hype looks good. That's because most of it is sales based, not realworld clinically based. Good luck finding a real live person who claims any of them have been miracles to them.
Basics:
1. Diet. Low caffeine, low sugar. Heavy on the veggies, lots of fruits, proteins from meats, eggs, nuts. Good fats from avocados, dark chocolate, eggs, nuts, olive oil. Go very light on breads and pastas. Lots of purified water.
This is not something you will feel right away. It is a lifestyle change that will make a difference 3 months from now and for the rest of your life. It is not overly strict...you can still indulge in something forbidden...you just can't do it every day anymore.2. Vitamin C, B complex, zinc, selenium, chromium...take a low dose vitamin that has these, or split a pill in half or quarters...whatever, get some of these in you every day. You don't need megadoses. After it becomes routine, then one at a time you can start experimenting with adding high doses of each, probably a B6 or B12 first. For now, just get some more vitamins in you than you have. Even if you don't, the above diet will.
3. St Johns Wort. If you want a supplement that stands a chance of actually working beyond internet hype, this is one. Brand is important. The clinical study brands are available....Kira and Perika. I like Kira better for your symptoms.
Some people do better with the el cheapo brands from walmart, riteaid, or whole foods.4. Deproloft. This is a natural product available through naturopath practitioners, integrative MDs, and internet. It is a combination of very low doses of St Johns Wort (75mg), 5htp (13mg), tyrosine (100mg), and essential vitamins, per capsule.
5. Add-on herbals include ginkgo biloba, passionflower, siberian ginseng, american ginseng, panax ginseng.
If you want to go the medication route, the above diet still holds. That is the basis for anything else to work. For meds, a doctor would most likely steer you in the direction of a Lexapro, Zoloft, maybe Prozac. If that happens, let us know before your appointment so we can brainstorm with you for ideas to ask about.
Posted by Phillipa on July 18, 2009, at 12:44:16
In reply to Re: Sick of searching, posted by bleauberry on July 18, 2009, at 12:13:36
Honestly the only thing that ever worked for me and that was for anxiety was low doses of benzos. Phillipa
Posted by Zana on July 18, 2009, at 14:35:20
In reply to Re: Sick of searching, posted by Phillipa on July 18, 2009, at 12:44:16
I love your posts and your approach.
Zana
Posted by Dima on July 18, 2009, at 15:15:41
In reply to Re: Sick of searching}}Bleauberry, posted by Zana on July 18, 2009, at 14:35:20
I did try a few antidepressants. I tried Paxil for 3 days but the fatigue was unbearable. I tried Wellbutrin for about 4 weeks but I felt no antidepressant activity, only increased general anxiety. I tried Zoloft for 2 months, with no effect at all.
I would love to eat an extremely healthy diet, but I feel I don't have the energy or the money to keep up with exactly the right foods to eat.
The only thing I've put into my body that has helped my depression/social anxiety significantly is Adderall. The tolerance builds up far too fast for it to be practical, though.
Posted by bleauberry on July 18, 2009, at 21:52:55
In reply to Re: Sick of searching}}Bleauberry, posted by Dima on July 18, 2009, at 15:15:41
> I did try a few antidepressants. I tried Paxil for 3 days but the fatigue was unbearable. I tried Wellbutrin for about 4 weeks but I felt no antidepressant activity, only increased general anxiety. I tried Zoloft for 2 months, with no effect at all.
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> I would love to eat an extremely healthy diet, but I feel I don't have the energy or the money to keep up with exactly the right foods to eat.
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> The only thing I've put into my body that has helped my depression/social anxiety significantly is Adderall. The tolerance builds up far too fast for it to be practical, though.Excellent. Ok now we're getting somewhere.
First the food. It is actually cheaper to eat that way. And it is easier because there isn't as much cooking involved. Unless you eat a lot of packaged, frozen, or processed foods. Those really gotta go. Take it in steps. Just choose one thing you know should be changed, and do that for a month. Next month, choose another and add that to your successes. And then another the following month. One step at a time so as not be overwhelming or unsustainable.
The meds tell me you probably do not have a serotonin problem. You probably have something wrong in the dopamine/norepinephrine system, as evidenced by the help of Adderall but the nonhelp of ssris. Wellbutrin's action on dopamine and NE is so negligible that I do not see your nonrepsonse to that as being a useful clue in this thing. Its mechanisms are still a mystery, but they are not what it is usually assumed to be.
So that makes it pretty easy actually. If you do meds again, first choice is Nortriptyline 10mg to start with. If it feels too much in the way of side effects or whatever, empty the capsule and take just half for a 5mg dose. It should be quite tolerable within 2 to 3 weeks and then you can increase. Honestly though, compared to the tiredness you felt on Paxil, Nortriptyline should feel a lot better than that, especially with a bit of Adderall if you are still doing it. If it is not completely helpful, then the next steps are easy. The horizon is too far away to have the next steps on the radar screen today, but they are easy and straight forward. Nothing exotic.
St Johns Wort still might be an option. It hits a variety of receptors including dopamine and norepinephrine in addition to serotonin, gaba, and glutamate. It supposedly has equal affinity for all of them, but I don't know, it felt more serotonergic to me than anything else. However, before my meds journey began, St Johns Wort was actually quite good. I never had an antidepressant work as good as that herb did.
Posted by floatingbridge on July 18, 2009, at 21:57:43
In reply to Re: Sick of searching}}Bleauberry, posted by Dima on July 18, 2009, at 15:15:41
Dima,
It's interesting that the adderall is what helps--I think that it must have some pro-social effects. Others here could explain the significance of that better than I. My pdoc said that dopamine was a key to my depression when I responded to dexedrine. Maybe others would address this further or find a different significance to your response?
Therapy is also helpful (o.k., essential), and results can be good, especially if symptoms are mild to moderate.
best
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Posted by Dima on July 19, 2009, at 1:25:54
In reply to Re: Sick of searching}}Bleauberry » Dima, posted by bleauberry on July 18, 2009, at 21:52:55
> Excellent. Ok now we're getting somewhere.
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> First the food. It is actually cheaper to eat that way. And it is easier because there isn't as much cooking involved. Unless you eat a lot of packaged, frozen, or processed foods. Those really gotta go. Take it in steps. Just choose one thing you know should be changed, and do that for a month. Next month, choose another and add that to your successes. And then another the following month. One step at a time so as not be overwhelming or unsustainable.
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> The meds tell me you probably do not have a serotonin problem. You probably have something wrong in the dopamine/norepinephrine system, as evidenced by the help of Adderall but the nonhelp of ssris. Wellbutrin's action on dopamine and NE is so negligible that I do not see your nonrepsonse to that as being a useful clue in this thing. Its mechanisms are still a mystery, but they are not what it is usually assumed to be.
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> So that makes it pretty easy actually. If you do meds again, first choice is Nortriptyline 10mg to start with. If it feels too much in the way of side effects or whatever, empty the capsule and take just half for a 5mg dose. It should be quite tolerable within 2 to 3 weeks and then you can increase. Honestly though, compared to the tiredness you felt on Paxil, Nortriptyline should feel a lot better than that, especially with a bit of Adderall if you are still doing it. If it is not completely helpful, then the next steps are easy. The horizon is too far away to have the next steps on the radar screen today, but they are easy and straight forward. Nothing exotic.
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> St Johns Wort still might be an option. It hits a variety of receptors including dopamine and norepinephrine in addition to serotonin, gaba, and glutamate. It supposedly has equal affinity for all of them, but I don't know, it felt more serotonergic to me than anything else. However, before my meds journey began, St Johns Wort was actually quite good. I never had an antidepressant work as good as that herb did.
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>I don't think norepinephrine is the problem. I forgot to say I've tried Cymbalta, an SNRI, recently, too. Adderall, Cymbalta, and Wellbutrin all increase norepinephrine levels, and they all make me anxious for no apparent reason.
I'd like to figure out the story behind the depression. Something like hypothyroidism, or adrenal fatigue, or magnesium deficiency, etc. I'd much prefer to know exactly what's going on that makes me different from other people, rather than rely on some antidepressant which could stop working at any point for all I know.
Posted by bleauberry on July 19, 2009, at 17:22:46
In reply to Re: Sick of searching}}Bleauberry, posted by Dima on July 19, 2009, at 1:25:54
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> I don't think norepinephrine is the problem. I forgot to say I've tried Cymbalta, an SNRI, recently, too. Adderall, Cymbalta, and Wellbutrin all increase norepinephrine levels, and they all make me anxious for no apparent reason.Well, there are some common misperceptions and untruths involved here.
Cymbalta is called an SNRI, but in fact its action on NE is negligible compared to its action on serotonin. It is basically a SSRI with a smidgen of NE in the background. You did not get much NE effect from Cymbalta. You did feel very potent serotonin.
Wellbutrin is commonly assumed to increase NE, but those effects are also very small even at high doses. Wellbutrin's true mechanism is still a mystery, but the NE and dopamine parts of it are way in the background in the distance, not front row seats.
To assume NE does not play a part in your symptomolgy based on experience with Cymbalta and Wellbutrin is a misled conclusion. Maybe NE isn't a part of it, maybe it is, but those drugs do nothing to say whether it is or isn't.
In addition, the interplay and synergism between NE and dopamine is important. It is difficult to separate them. They serve similar overlapping functions. A norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor will also increase dopamine levels, because in certain parts of the brain where dopamine is normally taken up into NE neurons because there are no dopamine neurons there (overlapping functions), if we block those neurons we increase both NE and dopamine.
All of this is paper theory and armchair quarterbacking however. What really matters is how we feel when we try a medication. Some medications can give us clues as to what chemistry to focus us. Your experiences hint that the serotonin route (SSRIs, Cymmbalta, etc) are not right. Wellbutrin doesn't count. If anything it probably means you don't need tweaking of nicotinic receptors or nitric oxide pathways. The reaction to Adderall speaks loud and clear, pointing to something like a Desipramine or Nortriptyline, or some combination with one of them in it, perhaps along with the Adderall. If nothing else, we have a fair amount of certainty what kinds of drugs you will not find help with...basically anything that has serotonin reuptake as its primary mechanism.
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> I'd like to figure out the story behind the depression. Something like hypothyroidism, or adrenal fatigue, or magnesium deficiency, etc. I'd much prefer to know exactly what's going on that makes me different from other people, rather than rely on some antidepressant which could stop working at any point for all I know.Yeah, I feel exactly the same way. I've spent a lot of money and time trying to figure it all out. First it was clear I had adrenal fatigue or hypoadrenalsim or whatever...low cortisol for whatever reason. It was odd that my response to ADs coincided exactly with my cortisol curve...bad in the morning, sinking in the afternoon, remarkable recovery in the evening. What I didn't yet know was that low cortisol usually has a cause...some kind of environmental insult. Upon looking in my mouth, my doctor concluded the silver fillings were a primary suspect. Sure enough, on a provoked urine test I had very high amounts of mercury and lead. The amalgams were removed quickly after that, I did a dozen rounds of low dose frequent dose chelation, and though I probably need a lot more at least the source of mercury is gone and I have cleaned some of it out of tissue stores.
So I thought I had it nailed. Adrenal fatigue, mercury. Of course there is depression. Duhh. But the biggest surprise was still to come. A strange rash looking like a bullseye on my leg got my attention. Didn't hurt, no swelling, no big deal. A couple months later I was bored and curious and surfed around the net looking for photos of rashes that looked as weird as mine did. I found them easily. They are the famous bullseye rashes that about 50% of Lyme disease sufferers experience. If not for that rash, I never would have found the real cause of my problems.
So an expert on Lyme gives me a clinical exam and a lab exam. Sure enough I am positive for Lyme. Now it is all making sense. Furthermore I discover that the Borellia bacteria of Lyme upset the hormones including cortisol, they all sequester mercury for their own defense, yeast in the gut love mercury so they have a feast and overgrow, all of this causing an assault of neurotoxic chemicals in the brain going where serotonin, NE, and DA are supposed to be going, and on and on. Complicated.
So, a few chelations later, a couple stabs at antibiotics, a current stab at yeast control, and a low dose of an old-time antidepressant that I can actually tolerate and is doing some good (Nortriptyline), I am finally making some forward progress.
There is much work ahead. More chelation. More antibiotics. More effort to keep yeast down. Dependence on medication assistance for current symptoms so I can work, live, and function throughout it all. It is analagous to a battlefield after the war is over, needing a lot of cleaning up, and not sure what damage will never repair.
I have no idea what your story is. The best way to find out is to assume nothing, get a lot of tests, many of which you will have to pay cash for, or go about methodically trying things one at a time...vitamins, supplements, antibiotic Tetracycline, anti-yeast Nystatin, antiyeast herbs, antibiotic herbs, minerals, take a look in your mouth at the fillings, and such. One clue leads to another, and sooner or later a picture is painted. For me it took about 3 years to do that.
If you want more detailed information on what kinds of tests can show important stuff and not cost much, let me know. Though the potential biological causes of depression are many, the most common ones are just a handful, in my opinion.
Going long here, sorry. Based on your history with meds and desire for natural, I applaud that. The road to discovery might take some time. In the meantime you might need some help for day to day living. That's where I think limiting the field of medicines to Nortriptyline, Desipramine, and Adderall, could save you a lot of time and pain. St Johns Wort is still on the radar screen and would see no reason to not give it a try before going the medication route. No way to preduct, but that is my hunch.
Posted by Dima on July 19, 2009, at 19:01:47
In reply to Re: Sick of searching}}Bleauberry » Dima, posted by bleauberry on July 19, 2009, at 17:22:46
Wow, thanks for that response, it makes me a little more hopeful. I did consider Lyme disease for a little while, but forgot about that. I really would like to hear which tests you recommend.
Posted by Phillipa on July 19, 2009, at 20:05:46
In reply to Re: Sick of searching}}Bleauberry » Dima, posted by bleauberry on July 19, 2009, at 17:22:46
Blueberry if you recently had the rash a round of about two weeks of doxycycline should clear up the lymes. I thought you'd had it for years like me undiscovered other than a freaky lab test result. Mine was years old. Hence the strong antibiotics and length of time on them. How do you now feel well? As you've been depressed for a long time haven't you? If so how does the lymes tie in with that I'm confused. Phillipa
Posted by bleauberry on July 20, 2009, at 18:38:20
In reply to Re: Sick of searching}}Bleauberry » bleauberry, posted by Phillipa on July 19, 2009, at 20:05:46
> Blueberry if you recently had the rash a round of about two weeks of doxycycline should clear up the lymes.
According to my Lyme doctor, it aint that simple. He says some patients only need a single dose of Doxy. Others need 2 months. It is a case by case situation. One size does not fit all.
>I thought you'd had it for years like me
The doc believes I have a Lyme exposure from 15 years ago and a second one last year about a month prior to that rash. He says also that sometimes the rash will show up years after exposure and that some people get multiple re-occuring rashes over time. Again, it aint that simple.
>How do you now feel well?
No. Better, yes. I have done two 2-week rounds of Doxy, one 6-week round of Tetra, all at low doses. Amalgams are gone. Though it usually takes about 60 rounds of low dose frequent dose DMSA chelation to see solid signs of improvement, I have done 12 so I know some of the mercury load is gone. My food choices are excellent. That is a big factor in helping everything. More important than people think it is. People think food is food and it doesn't really matter. That is so wrong. The biggest help is a puny 5mg dose of Nortriptyline. Quite surprised at the disappearance of those joint and muscle aches and pains, the significant lessening of fatigue, more talkative, more social, and overall less depressed.
I think with all people suffering from depression and/or anxiety, it is a mistake to approach it with medicines alone. It takes multiple strategies to regain footing. Imean, after all, even though medication X might help us feel better, we don't have a deficiency of medication X. The depression is from something else.
I have a long way to go and much work ahead. I am thankful for the progress I've made on such little use of meds.
>As you've been depressed for a long time haven't you? If so how does the lymes tie in with that I'm confused. Phillipa
I think I've had mild dysthymia my whole life, with periods of wellness. I had a major depressive episode as a teenager and another in mid 20's, though I didn't know that's what it was at the time. I think I've always been susceptible to anything that can provoke depression and I've always been teetering on the edge. So yes, anything such as undue mercury exposure or Lyme was apparently enough to sink me in the deep end.
I don't think I can blame my depression solely on the Borellia bacteria, since I have been prone to it even in early childhood. Borellia is however probably one of the most powerful triggers I know of. I can say that my physician says nearly all of his patients have depression/anxiety as one of their symptoms and that some have only that symptom without any of the other Lyme symptoms. People laugh when I say antibiotics can remedy some cases of depression, but those situations illustrate why it can happen that way.
Posted by alloftheabove on July 21, 2009, at 15:47:55
In reply to Sick of searching, posted by Dima on July 18, 2009, at 2:31:31
Hello Dima,
It breaks my heart each time I hear someone your age suffering from this dreaded disease. You will receive lots of well intended advise in this forum. Even though we all share a common disease our circumstances are different (symptoms, side effects, family situations etc.) So our advise is merely based on our own experiences with various doctors and treatments and life situations. What works for one doesn't necessarily work for the other and so we share our knowledge in efforts to shed light on someone who is trying to look for answers but most importantly we offer each other comfort and support in times of desperation.
I like you had my first episode of depression at 19 during college. I had never suffered from any form of mental disease before, on the contrary, I was a well-adjusted, popular and happy teenager. I am now 45 years old and have been under treatment since I was 33 yrs old. I believe and this is just my opinion, others may disagree, that had I had undergone treatment for my depression at 19, I may have had a better chance of keeping it under control. Neuroscience is a field which is now exploding with novel ideas. One of those is neuroplasticity which basically means that the brain can reorganize itself by forming new neural connections and its functions are not fixed in certain locations and treatment can help foment these changes. The point I am trying to make is that if you get adequate treatment via meds and therapy, you may be young enough to stop the vicious cycle of depression. Don't be afraid of the meds like I was. If you don't take them now and you do suffer from this condition you will invariably end up taking them when you are older and after much unnecessary suffering. Give the meds and therapy a try. You may have to go through several of them but your doctor should be able to eventually find the one. Chances are you will only have to take them for several months and then easily wean off them. As for alternative treatments, you will spend so much money like I did with very limited results. Take vitamins to restore your overall health but not to just treat depression because chances are it will not work.
I wish you the best of luck and don't let social stigma keep you from getting better.
We will be here all the way to support you and help you.
ihatedrugs
Posted by Phillipa on July 21, 2009, at 20:26:08
In reply to Re: Sick of searching, posted by alloftheabove on July 21, 2009, at 15:47:55
Babble me? PLease? Important? Dima have you seen a pdoc? I guess don't be like me too and fear meds. Just respect them . Great post btw. Love Phillipa
Posted by Dima on July 21, 2009, at 23:46:49
In reply to Re: Sick of searching » alloftheabove, posted by Phillipa on July 21, 2009, at 20:26:08
> Babble me? PLease? Important? Dima have you seen a pdoc? I guess don't be like me too and fear meds. Just respect them . Great post btw. Love Phillipa
I'm sorry but I don't really understand what the first three questions mean. And yes I saw a pdoc for a few months but I stopped seeing her since she all she wanted me to do was give Cymbalta or Zoloft another full two months, which I did not want to do.
Posted by ColoradoSnowflake on July 21, 2009, at 23:47:35
In reply to Re: Sick of searching, posted by alloftheabove on July 21, 2009, at 15:47:55
Excellent advice "all of the above". I,also, feel that if I had had good psychiatric care younger I wouldn't be in the chronic, treatment resistent category that I am in now.
Thanks
Gayle
Posted by Phillipa on July 22, 2009, at 0:11:37
In reply to Re: Sick of searching, posted by Dima on July 21, 2009, at 23:46:49
That's okay I was in a hurry. Just forget the first part. So you now want alternative? Love Phillipa
Posted by Dima on July 22, 2009, at 2:12:41
In reply to Re: Sick of searching » Dima, posted by Phillipa on July 22, 2009, at 0:11:37
> That's okay I was in a hurry. Just forget the first part. So you now want alternative? Love Phillipa
I'm willing to try other meds. I stopped seeing my pdoc because I'm leaving for college in a different city in about two months, and those two months would be spend trying out Cymbalta. I might see if my family doctor can prescribe something like nortriptyline.
Posted by floatingbridge on July 22, 2009, at 12:14:27
In reply to Re: Sick of searching, posted by Dima on July 22, 2009, at 2:12:41
Hi Dima,
Hang in there. I know the med trials are a drag. I'm considering one myself, and not sure I want to commit the time--especially when I need relief asap. I applaud you, as have others here, for taking direct action while you are young. I hope all this input has been helpful. (It can also be overwhelming!) I also think diet, lifestyle choices, therapy, and some alternative medicines are all part of a balanced approach aimed at longevity of effect. (I like acupuncture and Chinese Medicine.) Please feel welcome to keep us posted--we're interested and care.
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Posted by florence on July 23, 2009, at 0:54:02
In reply to Re: Sick of searching}}Bleauberry, posted by Dima on July 19, 2009, at 1:25:54
I would definitely check out thyroid problems. I went years untreated. Lots of info out there- like Mary Shoman's About.Thyroid; my yahoo group is Natural thyroid replacement (almost one MILLION posts)-- The info is condensed on a web site now called Stop the Thyroid Madness!
FWIW, I never had a mental illness...I took everything you mentioned for menstrual migraines; then for fatigue. I can tell every drug that has a major effect on NE- based on the side effects: sleepiness, anxiety, nasal congestion, sudden mood change when drug wear off (Provigil, Nuvigil, Adderall,) - then I start crying and crying for no reason..So I have to take an anti-anxiety med like Xanax or Klonopin (benzos)
Psych meds gave me the symptoms of the diseases they were designed to help! And I am still so fatigued...bed-ridden..
It will be SO worth the wait when you find how to improve...I just know it. .... florence
Posted by Phillipa on July 23, 2009, at 19:07:42
In reply to Re: Sick of searching}}Bleauberry, posted by florence on July 23, 2009, at 0:54:02
Florence I get Mary's newsletter didn't know thyroid maddness was also her? So what type of thyroid med do you take? Love Phillipa
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