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Posted by Phillipa on July 10, 2009, at 23:59:42
Get Mary Solomon's newsletter on thyroid and the top endo talks about treating thyroid and at what levels. Seems normal has been way too high long read. Love Phillipa
Dr. Garber on TSH Controversy
Posted by Phillipa on July 11, 2009, at 0:01:08
In reply to More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too High, posted by Phillipa on July 10, 2009, at 23:59:42
Not sure why didn't turn red maybe type in browser? Tried. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on July 11, 2009, at 0:02:57
In reply to Re: More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too High, posted by Phillipa on July 11, 2009, at 0:01:08
Words type above in goggle search first hit. Phillipa
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on July 11, 2009, at 12:10:56
In reply to More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too High, posted by Phillipa on July 10, 2009, at 23:59:42
> Get Mary Solomon's newsletter on thyroid and the top endo talks about treating thyroid and at what levels. Seems normal has been way too high long read. Love Phillipa
>
> Dr. Garber on TSH ControversyThis isn't really news. For anyone who suspects are thyroid problem, I recommend hanging around stop the thyroid madness sites and links, and reading the recommened litterature.
I was just diagnosed with hypothyroidism, adrenal fatigue and medicine induced(SSRI)hypogonadism. The diagnosis was made by one the best hormonal docs in the world and was confirmed through a psychical examination mainly, and not just by blood tests.
Hypothyroidism cannot be diagnosed by blood tests alone. But I would say that TSH>2 + hypothyroid symptoms, probably means hypothyroidism.
One can have a TSH<2 and still be hypothryoid. It is in many cases not easy to diagnose and treat. Which is the reason why so many are undiagnosed or undertreated.
Similar things can be said about other hormonal issues(hypogonadism) unless there are absolutely obvious signs and blood tests.
I'm not treated for my hormonal probs yet. But I'm gonna try an AD again anyway(Agomelantine) since I need urgent help and Ago seems to have a much better profile than most AD's out there. I need good sleep and reestablish cirdian rhytme.
A lot of endo's unfortunately are crap at diagnosing and treating most hormonal imbalances.
In this case you shouldn't believe the "experts" if you have symptoms of a hormonal imbalance, but your blood tests are "normal". Keep looking, just not too obessively ;)
I was diagnosed at Dr. Thierry Hertoghe's clinic. I have been told by my doctors for years than I was perfectly fine and healthy. I trust the doctors at hertoghe's clinic because it makes much more sense and they did a full psychical examination to confirm it. That's what old school doctors do.
Posted by bulldog2 on July 11, 2009, at 12:25:56
In reply to Re: More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too High, posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on July 11, 2009, at 12:10:56
> > Get Mary Solomon's newsletter on thyroid and the top endo talks about treating thyroid and at what levels. Seems normal has been way too high long read. Love Phillipa
> >
> > Dr. Garber on TSH Controversy
>
> This isn't really news. For anyone who suspects are thyroid problem, I recommend hanging around stop the thyroid madness sites and links, and reading the recommened litterature.
>
> I was just diagnosed with hypothyroidism, adrenal fatigue and medicine induced(SSRI)hypogonadism. The diagnosis was made by one the best hormonal docs in the world and was confirmed through a psychical examination mainly, and not just by blood tests.
>
> Hypothyroidism cannot be diagnosed by blood tests alone. But I would say that TSH>2 + hypothyroid symptoms, probably means hypothyroidism.
>
> One can have a TSH<2 and still be hypothryoid. It is in many cases not easy to diagnose and treat. Which is the reason why so many are undiagnosed or undertreated.
>
> Similar things can be said about other hormonal issues(hypogonadism) unless there are absolutely obvious signs and blood tests.
>
> I'm not treated for my hormonal probs yet. But I'm gonna try an AD again anyway(Agomelantine) since I need urgent help and Ago seems to have a much better profile than most AD's out there. I need good sleep and reestablish cirdian rhytme.
>
> A lot of endo's unfortunately are crap at diagnosing and treating most hormonal imbalances.
>
> In this case you shouldn't believe the "experts" if you have symptoms of a hormonal imbalance, but your blood tests are "normal". Keep looking, just not too obessively ;)
>
> I was diagnosed at Dr. Thierry Hertoghe's clinic. I have been told by my doctors for years than I was perfectly fine and healthy. I trust the doctors at hertoghe's clinic because it makes much more sense and they did a full psychical examination to confirm it. That's what old school doctors do.Bet most insurances won't pay for this doc and my hmo certainly wouldn't. Many people can't afford to pay out of pocket.
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on July 11, 2009, at 12:40:25
In reply to Re: More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too High, posted by bulldog2 on July 11, 2009, at 12:25:56
> > > Get Mary Solomon's newsletter on thyroid and the top endo talks about treating thyroid and at what levels. Seems normal has been way too high long read. Love Phillipa
> > >
> > > Dr. Garber on TSH Controversy
> >
> > This isn't really news. For anyone who suspects are thyroid problem, I recommend hanging around stop the thyroid madness sites and links, and reading the recommened litterature.
> >
> > I was just diagnosed with hypothyroidism, adrenal fatigue and medicine induced(SSRI)hypogonadism. The diagnosis was made by one the best hormonal docs in the world and was confirmed through a psychical examination mainly, and not just by blood tests.
> >
> > Hypothyroidism cannot be diagnosed by blood tests alone. But I would say that TSH>2 + hypothyroid symptoms, probably means hypothyroidism.
> >
> > One can have a TSH<2 and still be hypothryoid. It is in many cases not easy to diagnose and treat. Which is the reason why so many are undiagnosed or undertreated.
> >
> > Similar things can be said about other hormonal issues(hypogonadism) unless there are absolutely obvious signs and blood tests.
> >
> > I'm not treated for my hormonal probs yet. But I'm gonna try an AD again anyway(Agomelantine) since I need urgent help and Ago seems to have a much better profile than most AD's out there. I need good sleep and reestablish cirdian rhytme.
> >
> > A lot of endo's unfortunately are crap at diagnosing and treating most hormonal imbalances.
> >
> > In this case you shouldn't believe the "experts" if you have symptoms of a hormonal imbalance, but your blood tests are "normal". Keep looking, just not too obessively ;)
> >
> > I was diagnosed at Dr. Thierry Hertoghe's clinic. I have been told by my doctors for years than I was perfectly fine and healthy. I trust the doctors at hertoghe's clinic because it makes much more sense and they did a full psychical examination to confirm it. That's what old school doctors do.
>
> Bet most insurances won't pay for this doc and my hmo certainly wouldn't. Many people can't afford to pay out of pocket.No it aint easy. Thyroid medication is not particuarly expensive. Seeing doctors like hertoghe is quite expensive. Espicially if you don't live in belgium where his clinic is. But for me getting the right medical help is matter of life and death.
Posted by bulldog2 on July 11, 2009, at 15:45:41
In reply to Re: More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too High, posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on July 11, 2009, at 12:40:25
> > > > Get Mary Solomon's newsletter on thyroid and the top endo talks about treating thyroid and at what levels. Seems normal has been way too high long read. Love Phillipa
> > > >
> > > > Dr. Garber on TSH Controversy
> > >
> > > This isn't really news. For anyone who suspects are thyroid problem, I recommend hanging around stop the thyroid madness sites and links, and reading the recommened litterature.
> > >
> > > I was just diagnosed with hypothyroidism, adrenal fatigue and medicine induced(SSRI)hypogonadism. The diagnosis was made by one the best hormonal docs in the world and was confirmed through a psychical examination mainly, and not just by blood tests.
> > >
> > > Hypothyroidism cannot be diagnosed by blood tests alone. But I would say that TSH>2 + hypothyroid symptoms, probably means hypothyroidism.
> > >
> > > One can have a TSH<2 and still be hypothryoid. It is in many cases not easy to diagnose and treat. Which is the reason why so many are undiagnosed or undertreated.
> > >
> > > Similar things can be said about other hormonal issues(hypogonadism) unless there are absolutely obvious signs and blood tests.
> > >
> > > I'm not treated for my hormonal probs yet. But I'm gonna try an AD again anyway(Agomelantine) since I need urgent help and Ago seems to have a much better profile than most AD's out there. I need good sleep and reestablish cirdian rhytme.
> > >
> > > A lot of endo's unfortunately are crap at diagnosing and treating most hormonal imbalances.
> > >
> > > In this case you shouldn't believe the "experts" if you have symptoms of a hormonal imbalance, but your blood tests are "normal". Keep looking, just not too obessively ;)
> > >
> > > I was diagnosed at Dr. Thierry Hertoghe's clinic. I have been told by my doctors for years than I was perfectly fine and healthy. I trust the doctors at hertoghe's clinic because it makes much more sense and they did a full psychical examination to confirm it. That's what old school doctors do.
> >
> > Bet most insurances won't pay for this doc and my hmo certainly wouldn't. Many people can't afford to pay out of pocket.
>
> No it aint easy. Thyroid medication is not particuarly expensive. Seeing doctors like hertoghe is quite expensive. Espicially if you don't live in belgium where his clinic is. But for me getting the right medical help is matter of life and death.
>I understand life or death. Some are on disability and just don't have the money.
You know docs will let you die if you can't afford them in these specailty clinics!
Posted by floatingbridge on July 11, 2009, at 19:33:09
In reply to Re: More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too High, posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on July 11, 2009, at 12:10:56
Alexander, would you care to say anything more about your diagnosed adrenal fatigue? How did they make the diagnosis?
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Posted by Phillipa on July 11, 2009, at 20:56:36
In reply to Re: More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too Hi » Alexanderfromdenmark, posted by floatingbridge on July 11, 2009, at 19:33:09
Alexander I see a real endo who does physical exam and also bloodwork. But I find reading all the latest research very interesting and out of that and posting what I find learn even more. Thanks for contributing to that. I've been in Belgium cows crossing the street in the countryside caused quite a back up of traffic. Love their bells. Phillipa
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on July 12, 2009, at 6:58:23
In reply to Re: More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too Hi » Alexanderfromdenmark, posted by floatingbridge on July 11, 2009, at 19:33:09
> Alexander, would you care to say anything more about your diagnosed adrenal fatigue? How did they make the diagnosis?
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>signs, symptoms, saliva tests, blood work. I'm waiting for results of addtional blood tests and urine tests.
Posted by rskontos on July 13, 2009, at 21:22:21
In reply to Re: More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too Hi, posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on July 12, 2009, at 6:58:23
A year ago my adrenals were in the toilet. Now with the appropriate supplements, rest (sleep lots of sleep), thyroid meds my adrenals are finally coming back and I feel so much better.
I have Hashimoto's disease so I will be on thyroid meds the rest of my life.
If you suspect adrenal issues go to www.adrenalfatigue.org and that site has tons of information. There is a very simple but accurate test to see if adrenal are having a hard time which involves light shined directly into your eyes, if they try to close and open and close continuously then adrenal are fatigued. The eye muscles can't maintain a contraction when adrenal are fatigued.
Again, check out Dr. Wilson's site, www.adrenalfatigue.org.
rsk
Posted by Phillipa on July 13, 2009, at 21:25:33
In reply to Re: More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too Hi, posted by rskontos on July 13, 2009, at 21:22:21
rsk I just read that adrenal fatigue preceeds thyroid disease? Love Phillipa
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on July 14, 2009, at 6:41:44
In reply to Re: More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too Hi » rskontos, posted by Phillipa on July 13, 2009, at 21:25:33
> rsk I just read that adrenal fatigue preceeds thyroid disease? Love Phillipa
Where did you read that? I think for most people, it's the other way around. All people with adrenal fatigue will have impaired thyroid funciton when in adrenal fatigue, when they sort out the adrenals, so does the thyroid. But for people for have a coexinsting thyroid disorder they need to bring up the thyroid and adrenals together. For people who are hypothyroid, the thyroid disorder came before the adrenal disorder.
Posted by Phillipa on July 14, 2009, at 20:00:43
In reply to Re: More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too Hi, posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on July 14, 2009, at 6:41:44
Been reading so much from real books could have been Mary Shomons Book? Not sure. Phillipa
Posted by rskontos on July 15, 2009, at 22:34:43
In reply to Re: More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too Hi » rskontos, posted by Phillipa on July 13, 2009, at 21:25:33
It certainly can, kinda of the chicken and egg thing which comes first, each can affect the other. My adrenals are much improved but my thyroid I don't think is, but then I do have Hashimotos so it will eventually just burn out.
rsk
Posted by Phillipa on July 16, 2009, at 19:48:11
In reply to Re: More New Levels Of Thyroid Seems Normal Too Hi » Phillipa, posted by rskontos on July 15, 2009, at 22:34:43
Do hasimotos all eventually burn out? Then what happens? Love Phillipa
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