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Posted by garnet71 on April 23, 2009, at 21:00:55
So I was just thinking about cannibus and how I reacted to it when i had used it when I was younger..
you know how some people have psychotic illnesses; some anxiety; some depressive; some bp...well of course we know..I wonder if it is predictible how people in each 'category' react to cannibus, or is it more like psychtropic drugs where despite categorically prescribing anxiolytics, antipsychotics, etc, to match one's perceive illness, each person reacts differently. Or is it just because there is no cut and dry diagnosis?
Since a lot is known about THC?..would it be feasible to predict mental illness tendencies or to more accurately diagnose from one's reaction to marijuna?
When my son used it, he felt more talkative and friendly..when I had used it, I remember getting severe social anxiety, and all my senses being overstimulated to the point it made me very anxious, and I did not like it.
Just thinking if its possible to understand someone's brain chemistry better by analyzing reactions to cannibus use, or to predict mental illness tendancies and possible pharma reactions for each class of drugs.
Posted by sowhysosad on April 23, 2009, at 22:15:42
In reply to cannibus and brain attributes, posted by garnet71 on April 23, 2009, at 21:00:55
Dope is a weird one. When I started using it again a couple of years back, initially my heart raced and I felt a little anxious. But my brain seemed to get used to it after a few weeks as it would psych meds, and my experiences became more pleasant.
I have to say much as I used to enjoy it in some situations, I'm definitely in the camp that's prone to getting over-stimulated and less comfortable around people.
Posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2009, at 0:22:57
In reply to Re: cannibus and brain attributes, posted by sowhysosad on April 23, 2009, at 22:15:42
Used it once older than you guys it must have been laced with something as lasted 24 hours. Was so relaxed felt like flying in a plane driving home and teaching my aerobic dance next just was mellow til the class that night all of a sudden during the class came back to earth so to speak with a big thud in my head and body. Love Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on April 24, 2009, at 7:19:49
In reply to cannibus and brain attributes, posted by garnet71 on April 23, 2009, at 21:00:55
It also depends a lot on how the cannabis is grown. THC content has gone up 6 fold since the 60's. THC is what produces the euphoria and the psychotic effects.
There are more psychoactive compounds in cannabis than just THC. Cannabidol is a substance that has potent anxiolytic and antipsychotic (believe it or not) effects. When THC and cannabiol ratios are good there is probably less likelyhood of psychotic reactions. If one could get it medicinal that would be good (as it is grown for specific yeilds of these compounds).
It is truely unfortunate the way the substance has been grown in recent years. It kind of gives cannabis a worse name than it deserves. If everybody just smoked the stuff from the 60's, there would probably be far fewer adverse reactions.
Just my 2 cents.
Linkadge
Posted by Zana on April 24, 2009, at 16:21:19
In reply to Re: cannibus and brain attributes, posted by linkadge on April 24, 2009, at 7:19:49
That is definitely the problem, or one of the problems with pot: you never know what "dose" you are getting until you try a particular batch. Unless you are buying really high quality designer pot, liked cloned pot, every crop is going to be different even if it's grown from the same seeds.
Zana
Posted by desolationrower on April 24, 2009, at 16:27:02
In reply to Re: cannibus and brain attributes, posted by linkadge on April 24, 2009, at 7:19:49
> It also depends a lot on how the cannabis is grown. THC content has gone up 6 fold since the 60's. THC is what produces the euphoria and the psychotic effects.
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> There are more psychoactive compounds in cannabis than just THC. Cannabidol is a substance that has potent anxiolytic and antipsychotic (believe it or not) effects. When THC and cannabiol ratios are good there is probably less likelyhood of psychotic reactions. If one could get it medicinal that would be good (as it is grown for specific yeilds of these compounds).
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> It is truely unfortunate the way the substance has been grown in recent years. It kind of gives cannabis a worse name than it deserves. If everybody just smoked the stuff from the 60's, there would probably be far fewer adverse reactions.
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> Just my 2 cents.
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> Linkadgeyeah, agree, although there is some very good bud now. but this explains why it can precipitate psychotic symptoms, and also be used to self-medicate psychosis.
i don't know much about how cannibinoid system intereacts with other systems
-d/r
Posted by sowhysosad on April 24, 2009, at 17:23:01
In reply to Re: cannibus and brain attributes, posted by linkadge on April 24, 2009, at 7:19:49
> It also depends a lot on how the cannabis is grown. THC content has gone up 6 fold since the 60's.
The increased strength of cannabis is a myth that's regularly trotted out by prohibitionists, particularly here in the UK.
Over here, the average THC content of weed has risen from 8% to 12% over the last 10 years. That's 1.5x stronger, not 6, 8, 10, or even 25(!) times stronger as the police, politicians and journalists regularly claim. Back in the '70s, the UN Drug Control Programme analysed seized samples of both weed and resin that were 16 or 17% THC.
A lot of hypocritical politicians and journalists were stoners in their college days. There's a lot of rose-tinted nostalgia that leads to the belief that the dope they smoked was somehow harmless whereas today's is evil and killing their kids.
Posted by linkadge on April 26, 2009, at 17:38:31
In reply to Re: cannibus and brain attributes, posted by sowhysosad on April 24, 2009, at 17:23:01
Ok, well even 2x as much THC could throw the ballance of constituents off.
Linkadge
Posted by garnet71 on April 26, 2009, at 22:05:07
In reply to cannibus and brain attributes, posted by garnet71 on April 23, 2009, at 21:00:55
It makes more sense that cannibus would be stronger today than the 60s. Seeds are human selected; the seeds from the best plants will more likely be used by growers if there is a profit motive. Sort of the same reason we don't eat crabapples...
If they could standardize extracts/active components from other herbs, it seems like they could do the same with cannibus.
Hey, just keeping the canibus threads on this forum goin. Where's Neal?
Posted by jane d on April 27, 2009, at 1:06:27
In reply to Re: cannibus and brain attributes, posted by sowhysosad on April 24, 2009, at 17:23:01
> The increased strength of cannabis is a myth that's regularly trotted out by prohibitionists, particularly here in the UK.
>
> Over here, the average THC content of weed has risen from 8% to 12% over the last 10 years. That's 1.5x stronger, not 6, 8, 10, or even 25(!) times stronger as the police, politicians and journalists regularly claim. Back in the '70s, the UN Drug Control Programme analysed seized samples of both weed and resin that were 16 or 17% THC.
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> A lot of hypocritical politicians and journalists were stoners in their college days. There's a lot of rose-tinted nostalgia that leads to the belief that the dope they smoked was somehow harmless whereas today's is evil and killing their kids.
LOL. I remember in the late 70's being lectured by a guy a few years older than me about how you just couldn't get good pot anymore - that it used to be so much stronger.jane
Posted by Neal on May 4, 2009, at 1:35:07
In reply to Re: cannibus and brain attributes, posted by sowhysosad on April 23, 2009, at 22:15:42
"I'm definitely in the camp that's prone to getting over-stimulated and less comfortable around people."
SWSS,
none of my business really, but have you ever read up on asberger's . . . .
Posted by sowhysosad on May 4, 2009, at 7:19:07
In reply to Re: cannibus and brain attributes » sowhysosad, posted by Neal on May 4, 2009, at 1:35:07
> "I'm definitely in the camp that's prone to getting over-stimulated and less comfortable around people."
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> SWSS,
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> none of my business really, but have you ever read up on asberger's . . . .It's a fairly common reaction to cannabis. I don't have any symptoms of an ASD.
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