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Posted by Larry Hoover on April 13, 2009, at 21:42:28
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity, posted by garnet71 on April 13, 2009, at 21:23:03
> Oh, because this is the type of thing that influences me to go move to an island somewhere and live a simple life. And get away from all things ugly.
Sounds good. Is your island big enough to share? I'm an excellent gardener and cook.
Lar
Posted by garnet71 on April 14, 2009, at 0:17:19
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity » garnet71, posted by Larry Hoover on April 13, 2009, at 21:42:28
lol Yeah, I could really use a gardener, I'm not that good yet. But I want to do the cooking - can you do the dishes instead?
It's not a deserted island, there will be lots of people there who don't care about politics and want to enjoy life - how does that saying go "eat, drink, and be merry"? or should I say "life is too short". Someone else could think of something better.
Dubai is building a lot of islands. Maybe someday I can create one with this mindset.
Posted by HyperFocus on April 14, 2009, at 21:52:30
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity, posted by garnet71 on April 13, 2009, at 21:23:03
Problem with retreating to an island is pretty soon you're going to run in to the same problems you claim to be running away from. The minute somebody asks the question 'Hey who takes out the trash in the morning?' you're going to have to deal with issues of politics, governance, liberty, civil rights...
Democracy is not perfect but it's the best the human race has. I think we have it pretty good here in the West, whatever our problems are. I don't agree with many laws but you just have to look at a failed state like Somalia to see what democracy has steered us away from. They're doing pretty badly without a central government and laws.
> "Critically examine NAMI's source of funds."
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> I was thinking along those same lines. The mental health stigma advocacy might be just a side agenda, though I always liked NMIH too.
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> The concept of government itself is corrupt-it's a division of power, well there's other ways too look at it too..but after working for several govt. agencies/different levels, I saw lots of corruption. It forever changes you.
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> No, lots of government workers are not corrupt, but corruption trickles down. If the leader allows corruption, more people start to take part and it becomes the norm. It's contagious. After it gets so far, whoever tries to challenge it will get stoned. Not the good kind of stoned.
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> Then there are the judges and police--tons of corruption there. If you have cops as friends, some might tell you about it.
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> The division of power is decided by just a few people at the highest levels. Narcissists tend to rise to power a lot easier than their more sensitive counterparts. The motivation is instinctual. they are more thick skinned then say people with more idealistic tendencies. Do you think someone real sensitive and nurturing could survive being a politician in D.C.? Maybe sometimes. It's brutal and cuthroat.
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> ThIt's human nature. History validates this. It goes way back...slavery has existed as long as history. The strongest and most narcisstic dominate the rest. The difference between then and now is that our systems are so complex; there are so many other ways to harness power. Just because it is not as obvious due to the complexity does not mean the ideology is much different.
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> I really dislike being pessimistic about this, but like I said, once you see a lot, you can't go back. Instead, you become a realist.
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> Only recently did I realize there is a shift taking place, where power is going to be more distributed - this is due to information technology. However, the power is going to be allocated to more groups of 'regular' people, but still groups, rather than individuals. that's kind of scary too, if you can imagine a herd mentality controlling things. It's actually very interesting to think about the direction we're headed. Evolution.
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> Why did I just say all that.
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> Oh, because this is the type of thing that influences me to go move to an island somewhere and live a simple life. And get away from all things ugly.
Posted by metric on April 16, 2009, at 16:04:46
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity » garnet71, posted by Larry Hoover on April 13, 2009, at 21:42:28
> > Oh, because this is the type of thing that influences me to go move to an island somewhere and live a simple life. And get away from all things ugly.
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> Sounds good. Is your island big enough to share? I'm an excellent gardener and cook.Count me in. I'll catch the fish. All the omega-3s you can eat.
I have some thoughts concerning the selection of plants...
Posted by Garnet71 on April 16, 2009, at 23:30:30
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity » yxibow, posted by metric on April 13, 2009, at 20:15:54
Hey-don't be trying to ruin my ~dream~ now, my dream of living a simple, stress-free life surrounded by beauty, living like a bohemian and becoming a writer of music and books, and a painter. I'll make pottery too. I mean, who are we if we can't DREAM of such things??? Besides, my son and I NEVER argue about taking out the trash. And either will Larry or Metric.
So I don't care if anyone else shares my dream--but plllleeeeaaaaasssseeeee don't try to ruin it. Besides, I've been through enough in my life, been to enough countries around the world and studied enough about the world to know what I want and what I don't want. :-)
If anyone thinks my plan is far-fetched, then why does my favorite website exist?
http://www.escapeartist.com/efan/efan.htm
And see, I already have 2 followers. so there!
Posted by desolationrower on April 17, 2009, at 22:42:26
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity, posted by garnet71 on April 13, 2009, at 21:23:03
i've spent a little time around some politicians, and the main thing about them is they are *ss-kissers. impressed by people with power (read:rich people). you have to be, because most of the job is to ask people for money.
-d/r
Posted by garnet71 on April 17, 2009, at 23:29:33
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity, posted by desolationrower on April 17, 2009, at 22:42:26
See, that's not natural.
I once knew a narcissist very well - and yeah, he was impressed by that sort of thing too, mostly dated rich women (except for me...lol). Some people feel important by hanging out with that crowd. Well, he was a military commander-and he loved that "power trip". It fed his primative needs.
Well I don't see how you would fit in with that crowd. Will you come to my island? You can be the island psychiatrist... lol
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 19, 2009, at 7:29:36
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity, posted by garnet71 on April 17, 2009, at 23:29:33
I should think that with a return to the simple life, we might not need psychiatry any longer. At least, that is a component of my dream.
Lar
Posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on April 19, 2009, at 14:34:55
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity, posted by Garnet71 on April 16, 2009, at 23:30:30
Clearly, we have the same dream, including a regular presence at Escape Artist.
I have dreamed of having a depression colony, where all depressed people can go, live off their meds, and be free to be f'ed up. Like a leper colony--the gov can fly supplies in and we can live our mad lives without any strictures, any "fitting in," any take-your-meds-and-be-a-zombie-so-can-work-dammit.
> Hey-don't be trying to ruin my ~dream~ now, my dream of living a simple, stress-free life surrounded by beauty, living like a bohemian and becoming a writer of music and books, and a painter. I'll make pottery too. I mean, who are we if we can't DREAM of such things??? Besides, my son and I NEVER argue about taking out the trash. And either will Larry or Metric.
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> So I don't care if anyone else shares my dream--but plllleeeeaaaaasssseeeee don't try to ruin it. Besides, I've been through enough in my life, been to enough countries around the world and studied enough about the world to know what I want and what I don't want. :-)
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> If anyone thinks my plan is far-fetched, then why does my favorite website exist?
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> http://www.escapeartist.com/efan/efan.htm
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> And see, I already have 2 followers. so there!
Posted by Garnet71 on April 19, 2009, at 15:26:57
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity, posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on April 19, 2009, at 14:34:55
lol Amelia. You know, a depression colony does not sound as far fetched as one might think initially. Hmm. maybe we could partner up one day and start one? We could advertise on EscapeArtist. and Dr. Bob. lol
Years ago, I had once thought of starting sort of personality design firm, and one component of it-using designer cognitive enhancers and drugs-seems to be coming true.
Well ideas pop in my head all the time,but unfortunately, just about every entrepreunerial idea I've thought of, I learn someone else is doing it, or headed towards my idea. I bet someone right now is doing your idea. I guess that could equate to a retreat for people with mental health issues. I like that idea.
What do you think, Larry?
Posted by Sigismund on April 19, 2009, at 15:39:41
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity » Amelia_in_StPaul, posted by Garnet71 on April 19, 2009, at 15:26:57
On Some Faraway Beach
Posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on April 19, 2009, at 15:48:11
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity » Amelia_in_StPaul, posted by Garnet71 on April 19, 2009, at 15:26:57
Ahhh. I know what you mean about entrepreneurial ideas.
I think we should def. find an island with no one on it and start civilization over. We'll see if natural selection weeds the depressives & etc. out, or if it breeds a new, more scintillating race. :-)
> lol Amelia. You know, a depression colony does not sound as far fetched as one might think initially. Hmm. maybe we could partner up one day and start one? We could advertise on EscapeArtist. and Dr. Bob. lol
> Years ago, I had once thought of starting sort of personality design firm, and one component of it-using designer cognitive enhancers and drugs-seems to be coming true.
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> Well ideas pop in my head all the time,but unfortunately, just about every entrepreunerial idea I've thought of, I learn someone else is doing it, or headed towards my idea. I bet someone right now is doing your idea. I guess that could equate to a retreat for people with mental health issues. I like that idea.
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> What do you think, Larry?
Posted by garnet71 on April 19, 2009, at 20:10:55
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity » Garnet71, posted by Sigismund on April 19, 2009, at 15:39:41
Sigi-that song sux... please don't bring it to our island...
lol
Posted by garnet71 on April 19, 2009, at 20:22:56
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity » Garnet71, posted by Sigismund on April 19, 2009, at 15:39:41
We're going to listen to this instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlk9Sj4Ns2k
We're going to sit around a big bonfire at night, some will smoke joints, some will not. I'll make homemade Pina Coladas with REAL coconut milk and pineapples...We'll have the torches lit, playing Bob Marley. We will have those cute string lights strewn around eveyrthing, you know, those colored string lights with the palm trees and stuff....We'll play fun games--like Truth or Dare :-) around the fire. And laugh and be silly.
We'll be laughing at all the people in America-waking up at 5:30 am, having to put suits on, to take the subway to work. Sitting in a cold, miserable, quiet office all day. collecting their pay check every week-so that they can buy a bigger house, a more upscale car, and designer classes for their kids...ANd we'll all reminisce how we used to do that too...and how much we hated it...then we'll go run around the sand...making sand angels...then run into the ocean, warm beautiful salt water..splashing and playing in the water..under the moonlight while hearing people laughing and talking in the background. It will never be cold there, but we will welcome rains...And we'll all be tan. Everyday.
Posted by garnet71 on April 19, 2009, at 20:33:36
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity, posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on April 19, 2009, at 15:48:11
> I think we should def. find an island with no one on it and start civilization over. We'll see if natural selection weeds the depressives & etc. out, or if it breeds a new, more scintillating race. :-)
I think I like you Amelia :-) I don't have a good vocabulary, so I looked up that word: Perfect! Yeah, our island society will be scintillating. Our scintillating island society = O.S.I.S.; so reach into your vocabulary and find the A and make it spell oasis.
OASIS
Scintillating:
Amusing or pleasing because of wit or originality: clever, smart, sparkling, witty. See laughter.adj
Definition: bright, stimulating
Antonyms: blah, dull, matte
Posted by garnet71 on April 19, 2009, at 20:34:40
In reply to ~our scintillating island society~ » Amelia_in_StPaul, posted by garnet71 on April 19, 2009, at 20:33:36
I love that too:
Antonyms: blah, dull, matte
lol
Posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on April 19, 2009, at 22:16:05
In reply to ~our scintillating island society~ » Amelia_in_StPaul, posted by garnet71 on April 19, 2009, at 20:33:36
What about Our Absolutely Scintillating Island Society? ;-)
Let's go for it whhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I love your vision of jamming to Bob Marley (previous post) on our island. Perhaps at OASIS we can also have opiods added to the water. Hoot! Hoot!
> > I think we should def. find an island with no one on it and start civilization over. We'll see if natural selection weeds the depressives & etc. out, or if it breeds a new, more scintillating race. :-)
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> I think I like you Amelia :-) I don't have a good vocabulary, so I looked up that word: Perfect! Yeah, our island society will be scintillating. Our scintillating island society = O.S.I.S.; so reach into your vocabulary and find the A and make it spell oasis.
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> OASIS
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> Scintillating:
> Amusing or pleasing because of wit or originality: clever, smart, sparkling, witty. See laughter.
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> adj
> Definition: bright, stimulating
> Antonyms: blah, dull, matte
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Posted by desolationrower on April 24, 2009, at 17:22:14
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity, posted by garnet71 on April 17, 2009, at 23:29:33
> See, that's not natural.
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> I once knew a narcissist very well - and yeah, he was impressed by that sort of thing too, mostly dated rich women (except for me...lol). Some people feel important by hanging out with that crowd. Well, he was a military commander-and he loved that "power trip". It fed his primative needs.
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> Well I don't see how you would fit in with that crowd. Will you come to my island? You can be the island psychiatrist... lol
>no...i am a picky eater and want to be the chef too, and that role already is doubly claimed....oh and i can't live w/o air conditioning. unless your island off the coast of ireland or something, then i could come visit, for as long i can avoid hunger...
-d/r
Posted by Amelia_in_StPaul on April 24, 2009, at 18:25:50
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity, posted by desolationrower on April 24, 2009, at 17:22:14
But I can fan your face as long as you keep us sane. Doesn't that sound good? And hey, what about mango salsa on salmon--isn't that tasty? Tastes best on the island!
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> no...i am a picky eater and want to be the chef too, and that role already is doubly claimed....oh and i can't live w/o air conditioning. unless your island off the coast of ireland or something, then i could come visit, for as long i can avoid hunger...
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> -d/r
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Posted by garnet71 on April 24, 2009, at 21:09:15
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity, posted by desolationrower on April 24, 2009, at 17:22:14
I say all you guys do the cooking - I'll just lie in my hammock by the ocean or do some painting and crafts. And then think up recipes that you guys will have to make. Yeah, mango salsa and salmon sounds great....blackened red snapper...pecan crusted grouper...no problem thinking up recipes for someone else to cook.
Posted by desolationrower on April 24, 2009, at 23:36:04
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity, posted by garnet71 on April 24, 2009, at 21:09:15
well i'd need to know whos ginger and who is mary ann...
-d/r
Posted by garnet71 on April 25, 2009, at 16:15:30
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity, posted by desolationrower on April 24, 2009, at 23:36:04
Hey d/r - we're not turning OASIS into some lame Gilligan's Island episode. lol (!)
Hmm. But if I HAD to claim an identity given those choices, i'd want to be Mary Ann. Because I want the professor. And because how annoying to not be able to leave the house w/o having your hair done all the time like that Ginger lady, with those goofy swirly curl thingies!! On the island, I'd prefer to have the "bedroom look".
Posted by metric on April 25, 2009, at 18:03:44
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity, posted by garnet71 on April 19, 2009, at 20:22:56
> We're going to listen to this instead:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlk9Sj4Ns2k
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> We're going to sit around a big bonfire at night, some will smoke joints, some will not. I'll make homemade Pina Coladas with REAL coconut milk and pineapples...We'll have the torches lit, playing Bob Marley. We will have those cute string lights strewn around eveyrthing, you know, those colored string lights with the palm trees and stuff....We'll play fun games--like Truth or Dare :-) around the fire. And laugh and be silly.
>
> We'll be laughing at all the people in America-waking up at 5:30 am, having to put suits on, to take the subway to work. Sitting in a cold, miserable, quiet office all day. collecting their pay check every week-so that they can buy a bigger house, a more upscale car, and designer classes for their kids...ANd we'll all reminisce how we used to do that too...and how much we hated it...then we'll go run around the sand...making sand angels...then run into the ocean, warm beautiful salt water..splashing and playing in the water..under the moonlight while hearing people laughing and talking in the background. It will never be cold there, but we will welcome rains...And we'll all be tan. Everyday.I guess that rules out Scotland... It seems to be taken anyway, and it might not be fair to send its inhabitants packing.
Posted by metric on April 25, 2009, at 19:16:19
In reply to ~our scintillating island society~ » Amelia_in_StPaul, posted by garnet71 on April 19, 2009, at 20:33:36
> OASIS
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> Scintillating:
> Amusing or pleasing because of wit or originality: clever, smart, sparkling, witty. See laughter.
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> adj
> Definition: bright, stimulating
> Antonyms: blah, dull, matte
Scintillating is derived from scintilla (Latin spark). It also happens to be the name of an opensource text editor.
Posted by garnet71 on April 25, 2009, at 23:09:51
In reply to Re: Modern biochemistry and humanity » garnet71, posted by metric on April 25, 2009, at 18:03:44
Well actually Ireland and India were next on my list for states to visit, and I'll eventually get to Scotland. Just about every country in the world is on my list. lol
This whole thing started from fantasies I have after my bf took me on a trip to San Pedro, Belize. We stayed here, it was sooo romantic:
http://www.victoria-house.com/
Oh, there was the most beautiful, romantic wedding there I've ever seen-right there on the beach. And the bride didn't wear shoes! After 3 days, the small wedding party left and it wasn't crowded at all-there were only about 5 other couples there. It was such a wonderful place, and lots of activities around the area.
So bf started being the *ssh*l* he was, so I just got sick of it, wanted to enjoy my time there so I snuck away from the resort, and started walking towards dowtown San Pedro which was about a mile or 2 away. I just figured I'd find some bar or resort in the city to hang out at and get away from him after visiting the art and botique shops since I had his credit card. It's really a nice little city.
While walking on the side of the road, an (American) woman driving in a golf cart stopped and asked me if I needed a ride. Her 10 year old son was in the back of the golf cart. So I got in and it was like this woman knew EXACTLY what I was dealing with (a narcissist). Somehow she knew I had upped and left him-before I mentioned anything about myself. SHE mentioned, so you left to get away from your bf (something to that effect). We really hit it off like some planned destiny. She was my angel that day-literally. And so I had asked her how she came about moving to Belize, and she said just to get away...sick of the coporate world...something to that effect..but I had this uncanny feeling she took off with her son, defected to San Pedro, because of her husband and/or a custody situation, though we didn't even discuss that.
She dropped me off in the city and said she lived right next door to Victoria House-literally--and that I could stop by anytime. I don't even remember her name, but I do remember her son's name.
So later in the week, I kept (sort of) looking around for her house but for some reason couldn't see it around the resort. But not looking seriously and I kind of just blew it off.
Well ever since, I had regretted not stopping over and seeing her. It's strange how you come across people that are meant to be in your life (for a reason or season-how does that saying go?). Maybe it seems i make more of it then it actually is, but I can't help thinking this way. I've had to many coincidences that were too unlikely or strange to be coincidences, not that this was a good example of one of them.
I fantasize about moving there like that woman, and in my fantasies sometimes, we are buddies and hang out, like best friends. lol I really wish I went and visited that woman at her house. It's strange I've thought of her so many times since. I want to go back there some day, and look her up. It's small enough of a city that I could probably find her by asking around.
Anyway, I got him back, the boyfriend. He didn't know how much the trip costed until he got his credit card bill in the mail weeks later. Prior to the trip, he had told me to make all the arrangements and had given me one of his cc's. I picked the most expensive place that was available in the area. lol. And ordered $100 bottles of champagne. Yep.
Yeah-in real life-watch, guys. I teach young, naive women about this, so don't become a jerk.So there's the real life story behind my fantasy :)
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