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who the fr*g thought of c.b.t

Posted by manic666 on March 2, 2009, at 13:14:41

i have been to cbt today again , who put me on this course must be takeing the piss,the ladies are not suffering long term depression or cronic anxierty . but panick symtoms ok they are bad but a breeze to me with the one brain cell. i mean they carnt go in a bar , you carnt get me out?/.the supermarket is out for them an for a lady thats bad. but not me ? the theropist say none of this is real , stick it out an the situation lessons.im begining to lose the plot listening to these hippy nuts who,s only anxierty is cold coffee. they say nobody dies from anxierty .even if you think it . ye right , when your stomach turns your bodily functions into water like substance an if there aint a toilet handy your in the sh*t if you get my drift.they said manic this course is not for you , your a little behond are help, after drink probs, suicide attepts, med abuse , hospital damage,i wonder how they figured that out.

 

Re: who the fr*g thought of c.b.t » manic666

Posted by Phillipa on March 2, 2009, at 15:58:51

In reply to who the fr*g thought of c.b.t, posted by manic666 on March 2, 2009, at 13:14:41

Manic it's not working out? Don't they have a CBT course strictly for men? never knew all those things had happened to you. I too got panic attacks in grocery stores manybe lighting? I have a line to online Cbt course will send it on to you. Love Phillipa

 

Re: who the fr*g thought of c.b.t

Posted by Relapse on March 2, 2009, at 19:11:30

In reply to Re: who the fr*g thought of c.b.t » manic666, posted by Phillipa on March 2, 2009, at 15:58:51

Phillipa,
You know you raise an interesting point. I am more anxiety/depression, and don't have much trouble with real panic. But, over the years, the few times I felt some panic, is when I am in a store with a bizillion fluorescent lights. It's really weird, I will start to sweat,get weak and ambient voices seem to absolutely close in on me. A couple of times I thought I was going to have to leave the groceries and hit the door. Like I say, not that often, but I do wonder.

 

Re: who the fr*g thought of c.b.t

Posted by bleauberry on March 2, 2009, at 19:16:04

In reply to who the fr*g thought of c.b.t, posted by manic666 on March 2, 2009, at 13:14:41

I did therapy once a week for 6 months, twice, which included cbt and other stuff similar.

My conclusion is that these things are helpful for coping skills, understanding the big picture pros and cons of life, and managing emergency situations. In addition, a good therapist can be a fantastic coach and cheerleader. In my case I really looked forward to our meetings because he always shed some new light on me and gave me new hope, almost kind of like filling an empty gas tank with fresh fuel. I ran out of gas quickly, but then, there was always next week to replenish.

However, I did not find any type of psychotherapy helpful at reducing or eliminating symptoms. Only half decent for managing them, but not at all decent in treating them.

I can see how cbt or similar can be helpful for someone starting medicines, because it sort of provides a crutch to lean on while waiting for the med to hopefully work. Without some sort of treatment to actually target the underlying disease itself, or treatment to reduce symptoms, cbt and similar are not solutions. While helpful in their own way, the disease is allowed to progress without any significant competition against it.

For example, mercury from amalgam fillings causing psychiatric symptoms. No amount of talking is going to convince those mercury atoms to pack up their bags and move out. Lyme disease, Lyme-like, or similar mystery pathogens causing psychiatric symptoms. No amount of talking is going to kill any pathogens. Hypothyroidism. No amount of talking is going to heal a thyroid disease. On and on. You get the picture.

 

Re: who the fr*g thought of c.b.t » Relapse

Posted by myco on March 3, 2009, at 12:31:29

In reply to Re: who the fr*g thought of c.b.t, posted by Relapse on March 2, 2009, at 19:11:30

I agree with you. I get more insecure under fluorescent lighting...anxiety goes way up. Often lose my concentration totally, forget what i'm doing, find myself looking around alot, phobia of those looking at me goes up. Also note I "look ugly" under this lighting...i.e. in a public restroom in from of the mirror, if that makes any sense.


> Phillipa,
> You know you raise an interesting point. I am more anxiety/depression, and don't have much trouble with real panic. But, over the years, the few times I felt some panic, is when I am in a store with a bizillion fluorescent lights. It's really weird, I will start to sweat,get weak and ambient voices seem to absolutely close in on me. A couple of times I thought I was going to have to leave the groceries and hit the door. Like I say, not that often, but I do wonder.

 

Re: who the fr*g thought of c.b.t »manic666 » Relapse

Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on March 3, 2009, at 20:45:41

In reply to Re: who the fr*g thought of c.b.t, posted by Relapse on March 2, 2009, at 19:11:30

I've taken psychology as an undergrad, like many probably have on here, and a bit at the grad level, and I feel CBT only works for a very small number of people and is not very dependable. The Pdoc over at www.mentalhealth.com agrees. Good strong benzos like Xanax work, and I've been on and off over 10+ years, still very effective when needed. I don't know why they can't be standard treatment. Hmmppphhh...:-/

Jay

 

Re: who the fr*g thought of c.b.t » Jay_Bravest_Face

Posted by yxibow on March 3, 2009, at 23:14:53

In reply to Re: who the fr*g thought of c.b.t »manic666 » Relapse, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on March 3, 2009, at 20:45:41

> I've taken psychology as an undergrad, like many probably have on here, and a bit at the grad level, and I feel CBT only works for a very small number of people and is not very dependable. The Pdoc over at www.mentalhealth.com agrees. Good strong benzos like Xanax work, and I've been on and off over 10+ years, still very effective when needed. I don't know why they can't be standard treatment. Hmmppphhh...:-/
>
> Jay

I'd disagree somewhat -- it is true that it is an imperfect art, but the degree to which it is effective is how open people are to psychotherapy and to the process of CBT itself.

Probably one of the best uses of it is for helping patients with OCD, it has other uses as well -- its just a question as to how much people are willing to invest and believe in the concept, as it has been proven to be as effective as medication for OCD, or complementary as well.

As for other conditions, I can't say -- it might be useful for PTSD, and also for other conditions in the OC Spectrum category.

And of course there has to be a rapport between the therapist and the patient in general -- if there is a disagreeable relationship, it isn't going to be terribly effective, that I will say.

But for OCD especially, what one takes from it can help should there be further flareups in life.

-- just an opinion

-- Jay


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