Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 869674

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Adderall poop out

Posted by jerrypharmstudent on December 19, 2008, at 15:40:06

I have been taking Adderall 20gm 3x daily for many many years and it's finally pooping out which scares me because it's been one of the most helpful meds for me. Is there anyway to reverse the poop-out? L-Tyrosine?

thanks
jerry

 

Re: Adderall poop out

Posted by desolationrower on December 19, 2008, at 17:29:49

In reply to Adderall poop out, posted by jerrypharmstudent on December 19, 2008, at 15:40:06

You're on abilify right? Mightn't it be the abilify making it less effective?

If you don't, take breaks on the weekend or whenever, and nmda antagonists might help with some of the tolerance, so options include magnesium (organic salts preferably) or preferably dextromethorphan or memantine. And as far as nutrion, also made sure you're getting a couple thousand IUs of vitamin D3 a day.

Could also try switching to methylphenidate. You might want to look into that. I think AMP and DRIs have opposite effects on dopamine transport expression, so if AMP isn't working, it might mean MPD woudl work well now, at least till your brain changes back. This is a memory i have, heres a study saying cocaine works that way vs AMP, but mpd is pretty similar to cocaine, so something to look into.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15464127
PMID: 15464127

are you in school? I'm studying for my professional licencing test now and haven't really found the right treatment for ADD so its a real killer.

-d/r

 

Re: Adderall poop out » desolationrower

Posted by jerrypharmstudent on December 19, 2008, at 17:36:41

In reply to Re: Adderall poop out, posted by desolationrower on December 19, 2008, at 17:29:49

> You're on abilify right? Mightn't it be the abilify making it less effective?
>
> If you don't, take breaks on the weekend or whenever, and nmda antagonists might help with some of the tolerance, so options include magnesium (organic salts preferably) or preferably dextromethorphan or memantine. And as far as nutrion, also made sure you're getting a couple thousand IUs of vitamin D3 a day.
>
> Could also try switching to methylphenidate. You might want to look into that. I think AMP and DRIs have opposite effects on dopamine transport expression, so if AMP isn't working, it might mean MPD woudl work well now, at least till your brain changes back. This is a memory i have, heres a study saying cocaine works that way vs AMP, but mpd is pretty similar to cocaine, so something to look into.
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15464127
> PMID: 15464127
>
> are you in school? I'm studying for my professional licencing test now and haven't really found the right treatment for ADD so its a real killer.
>
> -d/r

I never thought that the Abiilify might be the culprit - mostly because I've been on both meds for a while and just recently have had this poop-out.

I was in school but had to drop out for obvious reasons. However, I still study pharmacology during my own time.

 

Re: Adderall poop out

Posted by JadeKelly on December 19, 2008, at 20:49:50

In reply to Re: Adderall poop out » desolationrower, posted by jerrypharmstudent on December 19, 2008, at 17:36:41

Hi guys,

I took ritalin for 12 years for ADD, it lost some of its early effect but was still useful. I had to quit (PDoc) if I wanted to try Parnate. So I did. Well now I'm on Parnate for 10 weeks, currently at 60mg, and p/u script for Ritalin today. After months off ritalin, I thought it would be perfect for the Parnate lethargy I'm experiencing. I took a 5mg dose, didn't even feel it. Shouldn't Parnate be working at full strength by now, and with ritalin added, shouldn't I be in full remission???? I know, too much to ask for but thats what I've heard. Maybe Nortrityline, but then ritalins gone and I'm tired again......ugghh

Thanks for any hope,

~Always Tired Jade : (

 

Re: Adderall poop out

Posted by Sigismund on December 19, 2008, at 22:33:21

In reply to Adderall poop out, posted by jerrypharmstudent on December 19, 2008, at 15:40:06

You could try searching here under memantine?

 

Re: Adderall poop out » jerrypharmstudent

Posted by Phillipa on December 20, 2008, at 0:19:05

In reply to Re: Adderall poop out » desolationrower, posted by jerrypharmstudent on December 19, 2008, at 17:36:41

Hi Jerry missed you you sound a lot better than last time. Sorry about pharmacy school. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Adderall poop out » jerrypharmstudent

Posted by dcruik518 on December 20, 2008, at 11:43:56

In reply to Adderall poop out, posted by jerrypharmstudent on December 19, 2008, at 15:40:06

Jerry, I've been taking adderall 80mg twice a day for several years now, and I'm wondering if you might do better twice a day than 3x. When do you feel you need it most? In the morning? Then take more then.

As for poop out, I've found a couple of supplements that have really helped me in terms of mental energy, focus and motivation. There have been plenty of studies now to substantiate the effectiveness of omega 3 fish oil supplements in depression and some show their effectivness in ADD. There is now a special formulation, however, called Vectomega, which is much more powerful and effective than your standard fish oil supplements. The research on it was funded by the French govt., and it uses a special technology to radically increase the bioavailability of EPA and DHA in the brain. It makes me feel brighter, clears the fog from head, helps me concentrate, etc. Interestingly, I never felt these effect from regular fish oil. The package says take 2 a day. But for mental illness, I take six.

The other supplements are the line multivitamins put out by Vitamin Code. These use Raw Food Created Nutrients, which again drastically increase the bioavailability of the individual nutrients. I like the Perfect Weight one best, as it gives me a good energy boost and helps me lose weight, too. It's also a good idea to take a a calcium/magnesium supplement in a 1:1 ratio, which helps your muscles relax, as well as 1000 I.U. of Vitamin E per day, which makes the omega 3's work better. `Dwight

> I have been taking Adderall 20gm 3x daily for many many years and it's finally pooping out which scares me because it's been one of the most helpful meds for me. Is there anyway to reverse the poop-out? L-Tyrosine?
>
> thanks
> jerry

 

Re: Adderall poop out

Posted by dcruik518 on December 20, 2008, at 11:54:29

In reply to Re: Adderall poop out » jerrypharmstudent, posted by dcruik518 on December 20, 2008, at 11:43:56

I meant 400 I.U. of Vitamin E per day.

 

Re: Adderall poop out

Posted by cmorhoun on December 23, 2008, at 15:27:59

In reply to Adderall poop out, posted by jerrypharmstudent on December 19, 2008, at 15:40:06

Take a break from it or try another stimulant for a while. Both have been shown effective. Many old threads about this very subject, do a search.

 

Re: Adderall poop out » jerrypharmstudent

Posted by Paulbwell on December 25, 2008, at 22:57:57

In reply to Adderall poop out, posted by jerrypharmstudent on December 19, 2008, at 15:40:06

> I have been taking Adderall 20gm 3x daily for many many years and it's finally pooping out which scares me because it's been one of the most helpful meds for me. Is there anyway to reverse the poop-out? L-Tyrosine?
>
> thanks
> jerry

Hey Jerry, been wondering what happened to you, still playing the Cello?

You're been on the Amphetamines what, 8 years now? can you function without taking one? if so try and do so, tolerance DOES go down in time, maybe a couple supplements:

-Magnesium Aspartate
-Vitamine Bs
-Tums (Calcium Carb/Sodium Carb)
-DXM
-Memantine

Hope things are ok with you.


Cheers

 

Re: Adderall poop out » Paulbwell

Posted by Phillipa on December 25, 2008, at 23:37:17

In reply to Re: Adderall poop out » jerrypharmstudent, posted by Paulbwell on December 25, 2008, at 22:57:57

Paulwell now where is my babblemail? Love Phillipa

 

Re: Adderall poop out » Paulbwell

Posted by jerrypharmstudent on December 26, 2008, at 16:21:26

In reply to Re: Adderall poop out » jerrypharmstudent, posted by Paulbwell on December 25, 2008, at 22:57:57

> > I have been taking Adderall 20gm 3x daily for many many years and it's finally pooping out which scares me because it's been one of the most helpful meds for me. Is there anyway to reverse the poop-out? L-Tyrosine?
> >
> > thanks
> > jerry
>
> Hey Jerry, been wondering what happened to you, still playing the Cello?
>
> You're been on the Amphetamines what, 8 years now? can you function without taking one? if so try and do so, tolerance DOES go down in time, maybe a couple supplements:
>
> -Magnesium Aspartate
> -Vitamine Bs
> -Tums (Calcium Carb/Sodium Carb)
> -DXM
> -Memantine
>
> Hope things are ok with you.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>

Hey Paul!

Long time no see. Yeah still playing the cello. As for the stim. poop-out - maybe adding some supplements would be helpful. I used to take magnesium and it helped a lot. Maybe I'll try again?

thanks
Jerry

 

Re: Adderall poop out » jerrypharmstudent

Posted by Paulbwell on December 26, 2008, at 20:41:21

In reply to Re: Adderall poop out » Paulbwell, posted by jerrypharmstudent on December 26, 2008, at 16:21:26

Long time no see. Yeah still playing the cello. As for the stim. poop-out - maybe adding some supplements would be helpful. I used to take magnesium and it helped a lot. Maybe I'll try again?
>
> thanks
> Jerry

Hey!

Yea i found it helpfull when taking Methylphenidate, but get Magnesium ASPARTATE, 10x better absorbed than Oxide etc, something to do with stims causing a greater need due to sodium channels... My God Ritalin was hard to get off a year ago:( i didn't realise how nuch the brain physically-for some months-and psychologically longer, craves to keep the change caused by strong dopaminergics.

Cheers
>


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