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Posted by Jeroen on October 17, 2008, at 12:16:02
seroquel and magnesium for tolerance
400-500 mg, i read it has some memantine, amatandine properties too, theres like a %10 chance it will kick in with magnesium i think
i think theres a better chance with memantine or amantadine
but since i already have a induced psychosis i'm not sure i can try this :(
Posted by Phillipa on October 17, 2008, at 12:31:37
In reply to seroquel and magnesium for tolerance, posted by Jeroen on October 17, 2008, at 12:16:02
Jeroen what do you mean induced psychosis? I take 500 magnesium at night for relaxation and bowels. Love Phillipa what site did you find this info on? I'd like to read it thanks
Posted by seldomseen on October 17, 2008, at 17:16:44
In reply to seroquel and magnesium for tolerance, posted by Jeroen on October 17, 2008, at 12:16:02
I am a big believer in magnesium and take supplements myself.
You may be onto something.
Seldom.
Posted by yxibow on October 17, 2008, at 19:49:54
In reply to seroquel and magnesium for tolerance, posted by Jeroen on October 17, 2008, at 12:16:02
> seroquel and magnesium for tolerance
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> 400-500 mg, i read it has some memantine, amatandine properties too, theres like a %10 chance it will kick in with magnesium i think
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> i think theres a better chance with memantine or amantadine
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> but since i already have a induced psychosis i'm not sure i can try this :(
Magnesium is a necessary element for the human body and may calm a subset of people, but it also can cause diarrhea at higher doses.As for what concerns you, I don't think it is powerful enough to do anything, but if you want to try it, its harmless enough, that's about the maximum amount I'd take it per day.
Amantadine is sometimes used for EPS management for certain agents, I can't say it has anything for tolerance.
I tried it for the unfortunate Zyprexa experiment, it just didn't really cover the stiffness, which I still have in my legs and trunk, varyingly.
It raises or alters dopamine levels a bit basically, accidentally discovered I believe with Parkinson's patients who had the flu.
At least I believe that is how it is. It no longer is effective against modern flu strains for the most part.
I'm trying to understand all of what has been going on with you, but I must say the length of stay in a modern European hospital and as to where all these medications and doctors are coming from mystifies me. I'll leave it at that.
I think that if a number of agents have been thrown around in a merrygoround, it is not surprising that there is some tolerance.
That doesn't mean that there won't be some relief on the horizon, if you take a medication prescribed by a doctor for a long enough time. I cannot stress that enough and I believe some others have had the same opinion.
Its a painful place to be -- but patience is the only thing -- searching for more and more agents isn't necessarily going to give you more and more relief. In fact, it could do more harm.
Where's the socialization? Interaction with people, in your own country and city? It may be difficult with your condition, which I still am not getting a complete diagnosis, it seems to change a bit -- that's irrelevant -- but group therapy, things like that, have been shown to help too, even before we had modern medication, which still has much to improve.
I think in the end, its not the focus on all the medications, which are necessary, don't get me wrong, but the focus on your identity and your strengths, and your peers.--- best wishes
Jay
Posted by Jeroen on October 18, 2008, at 9:40:15
In reply to Re: seroquel and magnesium for tolerance » Jeroen, posted by yxibow on October 17, 2008, at 19:49:54
medications alters personality, and definatelly not restore it
Posted by Zyprexa on October 18, 2008, at 19:18:20
In reply to medications alters personality, posted by Jeroen on October 18, 2008, at 9:40:15
Jeroen,
What medications are you on right now?
How is the abilify going?
Zyprexa
Posted by Jeroen on October 18, 2008, at 19:19:34
In reply to Re: medications alters personality, posted by Zyprexa on October 18, 2008, at 19:18:20
4 months abilify, increased paranoia and nervousness and insomnia are main problems, also panic attacks
so i guess no goodstarting seroquel on monday
Posted by yxibow on October 18, 2008, at 19:48:43
In reply to medications alters personality, posted by Jeroen on October 18, 2008, at 9:40:15
> medications alters personality, and definatelly not restore it
I do feel that's a complete generalization, Jeroen.
For many, on SSRIs, your personality really isn't changed. In fact, people who decide to come off of them because they feel they are ineffective discover that they were better on them.
Even though there is blunting from APs, which I will not deny changes one's affect somewhat, simply because it is actually a partially intended part of APs -- to calm someone. It just may do it a bit too much appear to blur life.
But for people with severe bipolar disorder with psychotic manifestations, say, they can be a restorative, and give people -back- their personality and vibrancy that has been obscured by psychosis.
The same can be said for some people with schizophrenia.
Anyhow, FWIW.
-- Jay
Posted by Phillipa on October 18, 2008, at 19:57:34
In reply to Re: medications alters personality » Jeroen, posted by yxibow on October 18, 2008, at 19:48:43
I always felt better off them til this 50mg of luvox. Well may be the next to go. Phillipa
Posted by yxibow on October 18, 2008, at 20:51:01
In reply to Re: medications alters personality » yxibow, posted by Phillipa on October 18, 2008, at 19:57:34
> I always felt better off them til this 50mg of luvox. Well may be the next to go. Phillipa
And Luvox may not be the appropriate SSRI for you. It is a tough trial to find the right medication.
I don't know how you reacted to TCAs, but they're another route, though they have some more side effects, some people respond perfectly well.
There is no right drug for everyone.
-- best wishes
Jay
Posted by azalea on October 18, 2008, at 20:57:14
In reply to Re: medications alters personality, posted by Jeroen on October 18, 2008, at 19:19:34
What dose of Abilify?
Are you stopping Abilify and replacing it with Seroquel? Or adding Seroquel to Abilify?> 4 months abilify, increased paranoia and nervousness and insomnia are main problems, also panic attacks
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> so i guess no good
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> starting seroquel on monday
Posted by Jeroen on October 19, 2008, at 15:26:31
In reply to Re: medications alters personality » Jeroen, posted by azalea on October 18, 2008, at 20:57:14
adding it to abilify
i dont think its a good idea, in time ill ask the doctor to quit abilify if im stable on seroquel
ive got a nasty psychosis here
Posted by azalea on October 19, 2008, at 16:33:54
In reply to azalea, posted by Jeroen on October 19, 2008, at 15:26:31
Best wishes for a full recovery. If you stabilize on the combo of Abilify + Seroquel, perhaps better not to change things?
> adding it to abilify
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> i dont think its a good idea, in time ill ask the doctor to quit abilify if im stable on seroquel
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> ive got a nasty psychosis here
Posted by Zyprexa on October 19, 2008, at 18:57:47
In reply to azalea, posted by Jeroen on October 19, 2008, at 15:26:31
How did you convince the doctor to put you back on Seroquel?
Posted by Jeroen on October 20, 2008, at 2:00:32
In reply to Re: Seroquel » Jeroen, posted by Zyprexa on October 19, 2008, at 18:57:47
for psychosis
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