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Posted by Michael Bell on June 28, 2008, at 23:31:53
Does any medication help with the warped thought process part of social phobia? You know, the "they are looking at me, they are judging me, they are negatively evaluating me" part of social phobia? Not the physiological anxiety, but the thought process. Does Nardil help with this? I cannot remember from my own experience. Does any med help with this?
Posted by Sky Brite Line on June 29, 2008, at 0:10:49
In reply to paranioa, posted by Michael Bell on June 28, 2008, at 23:31:53
Part of this is psychological and reality. It may seem to you that anyone is judging because an employer will always judge your action, the way you dress, your apperance, your psychical looks, and many things. This apply to every job but thats a good guide line to go by. The reason anyone does this, is if you belong to a company that presents inself in professional manner, you have to apply and live by its standard's.
But, really i know what paranoia is like, i've expereinced it my whole life, and was put on medications to make me not think about it and it turns out they make me not function right, and then im judge by my work ethic.
Advice, the best medidcation that doesnt cause any side effects, is the anti-anxiety medications. Anti-psychotics cause you to not understand what a person is saying to you, and is degernerative to alot of people, that alot of doctors (psychiatrists) today think its "normal" to prescibe these anti-psychotics. Abilify, Seroqeul. Let me tell you.....its NOT very intellegient. The patient needs really to be deeply ananylzed and see what is the problem, not even the psychiatrist should make it, a thepist should sent a note to a doctor what the patient is experiencing and medicatite with the proper meidcations. Not just go and be put on a pathic mind-dulling nuerpoleptic such as seroquel for anxiety. But i do understand that doctors are hesitant on tranqulizers because you become dependent on them. And cant prescibe forever. But somepeople do need anti-anxity medications to keep calm, but not keep them "zoned and zombified".
Ask your doctor about Ativan, or Klonopin, but go to a therpist first, and tell them exactly what you expereince, then the'll write a note to a doctor on recommedations of treatment.
Good Luck, and Blessings, your not the only one out there.
Posted by Phillipa on June 29, 2008, at 0:22:55
In reply to paranioa, posted by Michael Bell on June 28, 2008, at 23:31:53
Some of it is self esteem issues. But I think the benzos are best also. Phillipa have you been on nardil before as you say you forget. Why did you go off it?
Posted by dbc on June 29, 2008, at 6:40:54
In reply to Re: paranioa » Michael Bell, posted by Phillipa on June 29, 2008, at 0:22:55
Its more a matter of self esteem than anything unless you're just so absolutely debilitated by it that you cant leave your house or keep a job. Therapy is the best way to go for this, avoid going down the road of needing benzos to go outside.
Posted by Sigismund on June 29, 2008, at 7:23:44
In reply to paranioa, posted by Michael Bell on June 28, 2008, at 23:31:53
>"they are looking at me, they are judging me, they are negatively evaluating me"
The consequence of being seperate is that this is always a possibility. Some people (like me!) have problems with seperateness.
You tried cycolserine?
Posted by Michael Bell on June 29, 2008, at 9:08:03
In reply to Re: paranioa, posted by Sky Brite Line on June 29, 2008, at 0:10:49
Thanks for the reply. I have tried Klonopin extensively but it does not seem to work on the thought process part of social phobia. In fact, it tends to make things work as it is a depressive medication for me. Never tried Ativan. How do you compare the two?
Posted by Michael Bell on June 29, 2008, at 9:11:00
In reply to Re: paranioa » Michael Bell, posted by Phillipa on June 29, 2008, at 0:22:55
Hi, yes I have been on Nardil before. Tried the old version back years ago for about 3 weeks. Great drug but I had a manic episode on it. Then tried the new nardil, which seemed very good also (though not as strong by any means). Problem is I was also on Klonopin, and my thought process seemed to be easily agitated and cycling. I also was MUCH more obsessed with my own mindstate, if tha makes any sense. I dunno if that was the Nardil or Klonopin, or neither. Frankly, I don't remember how Nardil was on its own. I am seeing the doc in one week to discuss a possible new nardil trial.
Posted by Michael Bell on June 29, 2008, at 9:12:02
In reply to Re: paranioa, posted by dbc on June 29, 2008, at 6:40:54
Thanks for the reply, I just started therapy which is a mixture of CBT and mindfulness meditation. Will keep you posted on progress.
Posted by fleeting flutterby on June 29, 2008, at 21:54:15
In reply to paranioa, posted by Michael Bell on June 28, 2008, at 23:31:53
Hi,
Well, I have battled with feeling overlyconscious for most of my life. Finally I've been put on an anti-anxiety that has been quieting those paranoid ideas.... the problem though- if I may be so forward, is that the sex-drive is nill. :o( but, I have to say-- it's helped the anxiety-- I even asked a co-worker, the other day, if she wanted to go to lunch sometime!!! I've never done that!!! (before I was wanting to even quit work for I was sure everyone hated me) I'm on Lexapro and also in therapy. I don't think meds should be taken without doing therapy also.
I hope therapy goes well for you and that you find some peace of mind somehow.flutterby- mandy
Posted by Jeroen on July 1, 2008, at 18:09:39
In reply to paranioa, posted by Michael Bell on June 28, 2008, at 23:31:53
thats psychosis schizoaffective disorder try Seroquel first
it totally cured that but only worked for 2 monthsso the magic ride is over
im now on Clozapine witouth success so far
try 100 mg twice a day for 2 weeks
start with 50 mg twice a day
good luck! dont do geodon please
Posted by yxibow on July 4, 2008, at 3:05:25
In reply to thats psychosis try Seroquel first, posted by Jeroen on July 1, 2008, at 18:09:39
> thats psychosis schizoaffective disorder try Seroquel first
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> it totally cured that but only worked for 2 months
>
> so the magic ride is over
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> im now on Clozapine witouth success so far
>
> try 100 mg twice a day for 2 weeks
>
> start with 50 mg twice a day
>
> good luck! dont do geodon pleaseRemember, while we all are feeling for you Jeroen, individual cases have individual results. Geodon has helped a number of people, but they need to monitor their EKGs occasinally. Yes, it has adverse risks above the 0.1% that Seroquel may have -- but these are still unknown. Tardive conditions are accepted today and are still only about 5% per year to an unknown amount for atypical antipsychotics.
However, we don't even know what the diagnosis for someone would be. That's for a trained professional.
As for the statement:"Does any medication help with the warped thought process part of social phobia? You know, the "they are looking at me, they are judging me, they are negatively evaluating me" part of social phobia? Not the physiological anxiety, but the thought process. Does Nardil help with this? I cannot remember from my own experience. Does any med help with this?"
I believe that, and you can correct me, but you're being hard on yourself. Describing your thought processes as "warped" for social phobia just gives yourself your own stigma.
Thought processes such as these are better helped by psychodynamic analysis or CBT in my opinion. Not everything takes a pill, especially in that situation.
Yes, Klonopin takes the edge off of social phobia, but its not just downing a pill, its going out of the house and meeting people despite one's self-worth.
Sure, maybe I'm reading my own need for socialization into this, but I think a lot of mental illness needs socialization to remove the inside and outside perception and stigma of the condition.-- just some thoughts
-- Jay
Posted by Michael Bell on July 5, 2008, at 10:02:02
In reply to thats psychosis try Seroquel first, posted by Jeroen on July 1, 2008, at 18:09:39
thanks for the reply. However, I think my symptoms actually fall under social phobia. That is my diagnosis, anyway, and I have never been diagnosed as having psychosis.
> thats psychosis schizoaffective disorder try Seroquel first
>
> it totally cured that but only worked for 2 months
>
> so the magic ride is over
>
> im now on Clozapine witouth success so far
>
> try 100 mg twice a day for 2 weeks
>
> start with 50 mg twice a day
>
> good luck! dont do geodon please
Posted by dcruik518 on July 8, 2008, at 19:57:09
In reply to thats psychosis try Seroquel first, posted by Jeroen on July 1, 2008, at 18:09:39
Mr. Bell,
The thoughts you describe are totally typical of social anxiety disorder. And you don't have no delusions or hallucinations which would indicate psychosis. I have social anxiety disorder, too, and found Nardil was actually helpful with the thoughts. Once you start feeling more confident, it makes sense that our thoughts will begin to change, too. Or it may be that the drug does actually change thinking; it's hard to tell, but the drug virtually eliminated my Social Phobia.
Also, I have never found CBT to be of much help, even though it has a good track record. It's a very boring/simplistic/superficial kind of therapy in my opinion, and it's something you can learn on your own. (Check out the excellent David Burns books, for instance.) I think a good therapist ought to be familiar with and capable of using more than just one techique/approach. I've gotten the most help from depth psychologists. DRC
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