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My Tianeptine experience. Day 1.

Posted by Marty on June 10, 2008, at 12:06:13

Tianeptine (Stablon, Coaxil, Tatinol)

Very excited to try this one since I've read a lot about it in the last couple years.

I'll write about my experience on this thread mainly for people who will google Tianeptine in the next couple years as I think 99.9% of the people here don't quite give a damn about Tianeptine (Stablon)

First, facts about me:
Male
29 Years Old
1- Episodic Social Phobia
2- General Anxiety
3- Leading to depression after a while.
4- Bipolar Type (4/5?) tendencies. The type where you only have some trait until a drug put you into hypomania. No drug = no nothing except trait.


- DAY 1 -

First pill swallowed on Monday June 9 at 10 PM.
First impression: Wow. Did you ever saw a man install his huge air conditioner at midnight in less than 10 minutes ? Maybe. But maybe not if that same man wasn't motivated/energic enough to push a frozen meal in his microwave oven since a couple weeks. The stimulating effect is there, no doubt ! .. and without any anxiety, which is surprising in my case.

Side-effects so far = None.

Immediate Effect on mood = Was feeling good. And when I say good I mean NORMAL GOOD. Which is what I'm looking for in an AD: Not feeling bad. Feeling good is something I want & need to fight for like every other NORMAL human being. If I want to feel extastic I'll go do some LSD or MDMA and leave the Prozac to the uneducated. ;) While it's a good news it's not that important since the REAL effect on mood isn't started yet and should take ~2 weeks to kick in sync with the neurogenesis. That's the effect that really count in the long run because it will replace the short-term stimulating effect because, in part, of some D2/D3 downregulation magic going on.

Other: A Nootropic ? .. maybe not for a normal person, but for a long-time depressive/anxious dude like me it is. Better memory, increased focus, smoother (and so much more efficient!)tought process etc. For a couple week I expect Tianeptine to work for me where the ADHD drugs failed due mainly by some sensorial overload which was rendering me austistic-like.


Tomorow -> DAY 2 ! ... awh nootropic, I'm so more clever now. ;)

Your psychopharmaceutical rat / google cache contributor ...

/\/\arty


 

Re: My Tianeptine experience. Day 1. » Marty

Posted by IAMtheWalrus on June 10, 2008, at 12:33:01

In reply to My Tianeptine experience. Day 1., posted by Marty on June 10, 2008, at 12:06:13

> Tianeptine (Stablon, Coaxil, Tatinol)
>
> Very excited to try this one since I've read a lot about it in the last couple years.
>
> I'll write about my experience on this thread mainly for people who will google Tianeptine in the next couple years as I think 99.9% of the people here don't quite give a damn about Tianeptine (Stablon)
>
> First, facts about me:
> Male
> 29 Years Old
> 1- Episodic Social Phobia
> 2- General Anxiety
> 3- Leading to depression after a while.
> 4- Bipolar Type (4/5?) tendencies. The type where you only have some trait until a drug put you into hypomania. No drug = no nothing except trait.
>
>
> - DAY 1 -
>
> First pill swallowed on Monday June 9 at 10 PM.
> First impression: Wow. Did you ever saw a man install his huge air conditioner at midnight in less than 10 minutes ? Maybe. But maybe not if that same man wasn't motivated/energic enough to push a frozen meal in his microwave oven since a couple weeks. The stimulating effect is there, no doubt ! .. and without any anxiety, which is surprising in my case.
>
> Side-effects so far = None.
>
> Immediate Effect on mood = Was feeling good. And when I say good I mean NORMAL GOOD. Which is what I'm looking for in an AD: Not feeling bad. Feeling good is something I want & need to fight for like every other NORMAL human being. If I want to feel extastic I'll go do some LSD or MDMA and leave the Prozac to the uneducated. ;) While it's a good news it's not that important since the REAL effect on mood isn't started yet and should take ~2 weeks to kick in sync with the neurogenesis. That's the effect that really count in the long run because it will replace the short-term stimulating effect because, in part, of some D2/D3 downregulation magic going on.
>
> Other: A Nootropic ? .. maybe not for a normal person, but for a long-time depressive/anxious dude like me it is. Better memory, increased focus, smoother (and so much more efficient!)tought process etc. For a couple week I expect Tianeptine to work for me where the ADHD drugs failed due mainly by some sensorial overload which was rendering me austistic-like.
>
>
> Tomorow -> DAY 2 ! ... awh nootropic, I'm so more clever now. ;)
>
> Your psychopharmaceutical rat / google cache contributor ...
>
> /\/\arty
>
>
> You should try adding some Lyrica to this cocktail.


-W

 

Re: My Tianeptine experience. Day 1.

Posted by Phillipa on June 10, 2008, at 13:14:18

In reply to Re: My Tianeptine experience. Day 1. » Marty, posted by IAMtheWalrus on June 10, 2008, at 12:33:01

Marty may I follow your thread? You say you started with anxiety and it turned into depression why do you think that is? Thanks Phillipa

 

Re: My Tianeptine experience. Day 1.

Posted by Marty on June 10, 2008, at 14:32:34

In reply to Re: My Tianeptine experience. Day 1. » Marty, posted by IAMtheWalrus on June 10, 2008, at 12:33:01


> > You should try adding some Lyrica to this cocktail.
>
> -W

Thanks for the idea but the fact is that I'm no more a Lyricahlic since 2 months now and I intend to keep it that way. ;) For me it was like semi-permanent drunkness, which I can't live with.

That said, I think it's a very unique drug for many people and we'll heard a lot more of it in the years to come.

'thanks for the drink'
/\/\arty

 

Re: My Tianeptine experience. Day 1. » Marty

Posted by Sigismund on June 10, 2008, at 16:07:55

In reply to My Tianeptine experience. Day 1., posted by Marty on June 10, 2008, at 12:06:13

>The stimulating effect is there, no doubt ! .. and without any anxiety, which is surprising in my case.

>Side-effects so far = None.

>Immediate Effect on mood = Was feeling good. And when I say good I mean NORMAL GOOD.


That's how it was with me, Marty, at least for a year.

 

Re: My Tianeptine experience. Day 1. » Marty

Posted by IAMtheWalrus on June 10, 2008, at 18:09:45

In reply to Re: My Tianeptine experience. Day 1., posted by Marty on June 10, 2008, at 14:32:34

>
> > > You should try adding some Lyrica to this cocktail.
> >
> > -W
>
> Thanks for the idea but the fact is that I'm no more a Lyricahlic since 2 months now and I intend to keep it that way. ;) For me it was like semi-permanent drunkness, which I can't live with.
>
> That said, I think it's a very unique drug for many people and we'll heard a lot more of it in the years to come.
>
> 'thanks for the drink'
> /\/\arty

Hick...you can't live with "semi-permanent drunkness?" I'll drink to that ..hick!

-Wally

 

Re: My Tianeptine experience. Day 1.

Posted by misterd on June 10, 2008, at 23:30:22

In reply to Re: My Tianeptine experience. Day 1. » Marty, posted by IAMtheWalrus on June 10, 2008, at 18:09:45

Marty, I tried Stablon a couple of weeks ago but only for a couple of days so Im curious as to how it goes for you. I am taking klonopin (with minimal positive affects after 5 yrs) and for me the Stablon seemed totally cancel out the benzo. My first day on it I was sort of out of it. On the second day it did give me the get up and go, however a little to much on the anxious side. I think its a great drug and may try again. I just don't know how it will go as I begin my Kpin taper. Good luck to ya and curious to how you progress!

 

Day 2. » misterd

Posted by Marty on June 11, 2008, at 20:36:44

In reply to Re: My Tianeptine experience. Day 1., posted by misterd on June 10, 2008, at 23:30:22


- Tianeptine Day 2 -

Dosage at 3 x 12.5mg (8am, 12pm, 4pm)

Today it felt less stimulating and that's a good thing. To give you and idea, it felt more like 1 cup of coffee per pill (Btw: I'm very sensible to coffee).

I can tell some very specific kind of anxiety is surfacing. A kind I didn't have a lot in the past: the fear of loosing control of myself. Example: I feared 3 times today that I could drive my car in the opposing direction lane. That's awful. The only other meds to induce me this kind of anxiety was the RIMA Moclomebide (Manerix)and, strangely enough, the serotonin precursor Tryptophan.

I hope AND think that this kind of anxiety will go when the main effect of Tianeptine will kick in. Most antidepressants make you feel worst in the first couple days before it makes you feel better.

Call me crazy, but I always thought the perfect drug (the one that could almost 'cure' you perfectly as long a you keep on taking it) would make me feel worst in the first days since the things it would need to do on my brain in order to force it to reorganize itself (neurogenesis, downregulation, upregulation, desensitivity, sensitivity etc....) would initially be very disruptive in order to induce *that kind* of transformation.

... And so if Tianeptine wants me to stop it, it will need to do better than those cheap little mind tricks on me... ;) I'm motivated and this is not my first rodeo.


/\/\arty

PS: I got this strange (sensorial) feeling that it could reverse the anorgasmia/anesthesia in my genitals induced by many years of SSRIs... *finger crossed*

 

Re: Day 2.

Posted by misterd on June 11, 2008, at 20:50:13

In reply to Day 2. » misterd, posted by Marty on June 11, 2008, at 20:36:44

Marty, You may want to try a small dose of inositol for your ssri induced issues. It worked very well for me. Good luck!

 

Re: Day 2.

Posted by Phillipa on June 12, 2008, at 12:34:20

In reply to Day 2. » misterd, posted by Marty on June 11, 2008, at 20:36:44

Marty almost sounds psychotic please be careful. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Day 2. » Marty

Posted by Phillipa on June 12, 2008, at 19:58:18

In reply to Day 2. » misterd, posted by Marty on June 11, 2008, at 20:36:44

Marty I'm startint to be afraid for you doesn't sound good the driving and all . Please be careful. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Day 2. » Phillipa

Posted by Marty on June 15, 2008, at 16:02:08

In reply to Re: Day 2. » Marty, posted by Phillipa on June 12, 2008, at 19:58:18

Sorry if I didnt gave you news earlier, but I've been very busy in the last days. I'll post an update in the next days but meanwhile I just want to say that I'm okay.

Phillipa, Thanks for caring.

I'll explain the type of anxiety I had in my next post. It's not related to psychosis at all.

/\/\arty

 

Re: Day 2.

Posted by elanor roosevelt on June 15, 2008, at 23:29:01

In reply to Re: Day 2. » Phillipa, posted by Marty on June 15, 2008, at 16:02:08

Marty
i find tianeptine to be somewhat pro-sensual
but the side effects were too much for me

it sounds as if you better stop driving for now

be careful

 

Re: Day 2. » elanor roosevelt

Posted by Marty on June 16, 2008, at 9:34:25

In reply to Re: Day 2., posted by elanor roosevelt on June 15, 2008, at 23:29:01

> Marty
> i find tianeptine to be somewhat pro-sensual
> but the side effects were too much for me
>

Can I ask you what was those side effects ?
And how much time before you felt the full effect ? (supposed to be around 2 weeks like SSRI)

About the driving thing, it`s just a kind of OCD-like anxiety. The fact is nobody 'listen' or act on those cognition. It's only that you fear you would listen to them. Like "if I though about it, I may well be doing it ?!!" It's nothing to be afraid of.. and the WORST thing to do is to AVOID the situation which provoke those weird thoughts since you could develop a phobia about the situation.

Marty

 

Re: Day 2.

Posted by Sigismund on June 17, 2008, at 15:44:07

In reply to Re: Day 2. » elanor roosevelt, posted by Marty on June 16, 2008, at 9:34:25

Marty, I felt the full effect quite quickly. Maybe not straight away, but I doubt that it is similar to those ADs where you have to wait 4 weeks. Maybe by week 2? But really, it felt just the same as it always did except it got a bit better. A lot of people find some kind of anxiety on it and I did too, though to begin with it felt more like a kind of nervous irritation, if that makes any sense.

 

Day 16 » Sigismund

Posted by Marty on June 26, 2008, at 13:26:01

In reply to Re: Day 2., posted by Sigismund on June 17, 2008, at 15:44:07


Hi everyone! I'm sorry about not posting any update since Day 2. The fact is there wasn't much to say and I wanted to wait until something different happened.

It's now about 2 weeks that I'm on Tianeptine and so it pretty much feels like Day 1 and 2. No side effect except some little anxieties which decrease in intensity and frequency since I started it. Oh, and I feel like 'grumpy', anti-social and sometime a little depressed or angry when I woke up.. but 15 minutes later I'm super fine.

SO, that being said.. what's new ? The good and the bad news..

The BAD is that I don't feel, 16 days later, any 'second/primary/main effect' as of now.. but that can take more time than that and I plan on taking Tianeptine at least 40 days before calling that it's having no robust antidepressive effect on me.

The GOOD is that I'm feeling CHANGED.. in fact I feel I'm changing more everyday and in a good way. I'm more smart to start with. Not smarter than before I started having anxiety/depression/all those meds etc.. but smarter than before Tianeptine and smarter than in the last, at least, 7 years! ... I also regained some interests into things I didn't thought I would even think of doing again. That makes me believe that all the fuzz about Tianeptine neurogenesis abilities into reversing stress/depression induced brain degeneration etc are true after all.

If that pill can grow myself a better brain or a pre-depression brain and help it stay that way when/if I have any other deep depression/anxious episode THEN I'LL NEVER STOP TAKING IT.

To finish I'd like to report an improved overall motivation, better orgasms and that I feel more grounded into reality when I'm in an anxious/panic inducing situation.

See you next update --
/\/\arty


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