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Posted by Jeroen on May 1, 2008, at 16:56:36
hello, what you are about to read is simple and shocking truth.
Doctors, know when the disease or disorder starts like age 14 schizophrenia or 18its like knowing it will happen WHEN, but not knowing HOW ... WHEN they know, but not HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW
Posted by Jeroen on May 1, 2008, at 16:57:56
In reply to TRUTH ABOUT PSYCHOSIS AND SCHIZOPHRENIA, posted by Jeroen on May 1, 2008, at 16:56:36
even if they know WHEN, THERES NO SCREENING OR PREVENTION, JUST A NICE NEEDLE IN YOUR *SS AND DEPRESSED FEELING YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE IT INCLUDING MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Posted by dbc on May 1, 2008, at 18:06:38
In reply to Re: TRUTH ABOUT PSYCHOSIS AND SCHIZOPHRENIA, posted by Jeroen on May 1, 2008, at 16:57:56
Not to be a jerk but sir you need to take your damn meds.
Posted by Jeroen on May 1, 2008, at 18:26:41
In reply to Re: TRUTH ABOUT PSYCHOSIS AND SCHIZOPHRENIA, posted by dbc on May 1, 2008, at 18:06:38
i am taking my meds you jerk
Posted by Phillipa on May 1, 2008, at 21:11:42
In reply to Re: TRUTH ABOUT PSYCHOSIS AND SCHIZOPHRENIA, posted by Jeroen on May 1, 2008, at 18:26:41
Jeroen so nice to see you posting but please be careful okay? Love Phillipa
Posted by Jeroen on May 1, 2008, at 22:23:41
In reply to Re: TRUTH ABOUT PSYCHOSIS AND SCHIZOPHRENIA » Jeroen, posted by Phillipa on May 1, 2008, at 21:11:42
ok thanks philippa, im just so fustrated of all new things and diseases i get by takin meds to feel great about myself
Posted by yxibow on May 1, 2008, at 23:59:38
In reply to Re: TRUTH ABOUT PSYCHOSIS AND SCHIZOPHRENIA, posted by Jeroen on May 1, 2008, at 22:23:41
No need for nasty banter about someone who is suffering.
Anyhow, its not true that schizophrenia starts at 14 or 18 -- around 20-30 is just an average age for a psychotic break. People predisposed to unfortunately have some form of schizophrenic disorder can have a psychotic break at any point in their lifetime, estimated around 1% of the population. It is among the top 5 illnesses that beset the population and the cost to the medical system in the US.
Psychotic breaks can occur later in life though, and those fortunate enough to have such a state (nobody is obviously blessed but we all care for those who are afflicted) are far more likely to recover and achieve high functionality quicker.
But there are all sorts of levels of functionality, including those of John Nash (who eventually decided to live with the illness and not take medication, in later life he recovered more which is typical) and the partially misdiagnosed (more manic really) Mark Vonnegut, MD (son of Kurt Vonnegut).
Posted by Quintal on May 2, 2008, at 11:34:40
In reply to TRUTH ABOUT PSYCHOSIS AND SCHIZOPHRENIA, posted by Jeroen on May 1, 2008, at 16:56:36
Jeroen I know where you're coming from. It's not nice to have to take medication that makes you feel unwell, much less being forced to take it.
I was given this book by my mental health team after I had my first (manic) psychotic episode "Madness Explained: Psychosis and Human Nature". I think you would find it helpful if you could get a copy. He explains in depth the process of how and why people go mad, and also what he considers the role of psychiatric treatment such as hospitalization and antipsychotic medication. I higly recommend it. Might give you some new ideas of where to go from here in terms of how you view your psychosis and how to manage it.
Q
Posted by Jeroen on May 2, 2008, at 11:36:48
In reply to Re: TRUTH ABOUT PSYCHOSIS AND SCHIZOPHRENIA » Jeroen, posted by Quintal on May 2, 2008, at 11:34:40
okay, but dont have a credit card sorry, no money either so, it will have to wait
Posted by Racer on May 2, 2008, at 11:56:07
In reply to Re: TRUTH ABOUT PSYCHOSIS AND SCHIZOPHRENIA, posted by Jeroen on May 2, 2008, at 11:36:48
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 4, 2008, at 8:24:14
In reply to Re: TRUTH ABOUT PSYCHOSIS AND SCHIZOPHRENIA, posted by dbc on May 1, 2008, at 18:06:38
Posted by yxibow on May 5, 2008, at 1:57:48
In reply to Re: TRUTH ABOUT PSYCHOSIS AND SCHIZOPHRENIA » Jeroen, posted by Quintal on May 2, 2008, at 11:34:40
> Jeroen I know where you're coming from. It's not nice to have to take medication that makes you feel unwell, much less being forced to take it.
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> I was given this book by my mental health team after I had my first (manic) psychotic episode "Madness Explained: Psychosis and Human Nature". I think you would find it helpful if you could get a copy. He explains in depth the process of how and why people go mad, and also what he considers the role of psychiatric treatment such as hospitalization and antipsychotic medication. I higly recommend it. Might give you some new ideas of where to go from here in terms of how you view your psychosis and how to manage it.
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> Q
I don't know what the state of the health care system in Belgium is but in general in the 21st century we have migrated away from earlier 20th century scenarios of mental hospitals. Though while it seems psychiatry has advanced, certainly advanced a lot, it has a lot more to address.That being said, if someone is told to be compliant with medication, if they do take it willingly the situation becomes much easier. I know it is a horrible state to be in -- I feel some days that my medication regime and 7 years of psychiatry (not individuals specifically, just the concept) feels court ordered.
I could stop taking an AP and a whole bunch of other things but my "functionality" would drop so low that I would be suicidal, filled with anxiety, my disorder (non psychotic but with multiple somatiform complexes ) would increase and could change, and ultimately the situation I'm in where I can't change anything too fast and while I am able to choose so, I can't go off medications would cause my daily living to change radically to having others have to take care of me.
The same thing can be said about strong cases of schizophreniform disorders. On an antipsychotic, there are numerous examples of people who are very high functioning (I hate the word, but thats what it means -- they are more connected to the world and able to do much more on their own) and able to hold down jobs that you wouldn't know they were on medication.Which brings me to the point -- nobody knows you're on medication unless you tell them. Its hard not to live by defining oneself by ones illness instead of what one is able to do by functioning and accomplishment.
Anyhow, just my view.
Posted by Zyprexa on May 6, 2008, at 17:38:26
In reply to Re: TRUTH ABOUT PSYCHOSIS AND SCHIZOPHRENIA, posted by Jeroen on May 2, 2008, at 11:36:48
have you tried any older AP's? Perphenazine is working real well for me. I take it with cogentin to prevent TD. Have you tried cogentin for your eyes blinking?
Posted by Jeroen on May 6, 2008, at 17:42:19
In reply to To Jeron, posted by Zyprexa on May 6, 2008, at 17:38:26
yea, ive been thinking about you, lool when i open the fridge i hear Perphenazine, or while i drink some tea loooooooooool :|
i hope i can try it, but not now,
Posted by yxibow on May 7, 2008, at 1:36:14
In reply to To Jeron, posted by Zyprexa on May 6, 2008, at 17:38:26
> have you tried any older AP's? Perphenazine is working real well for me. I take it with cogentin to prevent TD. Have you tried cogentin for your eyes blinking?
I don't want to scare you but Cogentin (benztropine) is an anticholinergic and does not prevent TD. It allows you to tolerate EPS (extrapyramidal, or side effects).
If someone truly diagnosed with TD.....
(that's why I question these things because I have asked has a trained neurologist in movement disorders seen Jeroen -- there are other conditions that are not TD. I'm not saying someone trained hasn't already done so and I don't wish to beleaguer or malign what is already known).....
.... takes an anticholinergic (for reasons that psychiatry has yet to answer) is very likely to have an attack of their TD symptoms. Anticholinergics have never been proven to mask TD. Other substances have been used to fight TD but there have never been double blind studies and effectiveness hasn't been proven. This includes astronomical amounts of BuSpar (around 1600mg), very high IU of vitamin E, and two related drugs, dopamine depleters/blockades, that have shown signs but have a lot of risks --
Reserpine (an old naturally derived drug from India, not a very good idea), and Tetrabenazine (Nitoman, which is available in Canada and 10 other countries and is approved investigationally I believe as an orphan drug in the US).
Tetrabenazine can cause psychosis and all sorts of other things in those predisposed as well as Reserpine but the main issue is that it is unknown whether it will continue to cause or help TD -- recent studies at Baylor college have shown that it has drastically reduced TD at the expense of possible -permanent- pseudoparkinsonism.
-- tidings
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