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Posted by bulldog2 on April 28, 2008, at 19:59:03
I was interested in the services of a wholistic therapist who uses some novel alternative techniques.She asked me if I was stabilized on medication and I replied no. Well she said she wouldn't take the case because statistics show the best results are a combo of meds and therapy. So now patients don't have rights any more. You either take meds or they won't treat you. I'm certainly not anti-med but I thought a holistic therapist might have a different path.
Posted by Phillipa on April 28, 2008, at 20:53:07
In reply to Stunned By A Therapist's Rejection, posted by bulldog2 on April 28, 2008, at 19:59:03
Bulldog never heard of a holistic therapist. Maybe post on psychology as see if they know what their experience is. I'd think holistic would be not on any meds???? What do they do hypnosis? supplement?. I wonder if google turns up anything? Phillipa
Posted by med_empowered on April 28, 2008, at 21:00:29
In reply to Re: Stunned By A Therapist's Rejection » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on April 28, 2008, at 20:53:07
that's hardcore. I can't believe a granola therapist won't see you unless there are meds in the picture. My guess: they're lazy and need meds to do some of the heavy lifting for them. I mean, meds can help and all, but for some people+situations, drug-free therapy can be awesome...although apparently this T disagrees...
Anyway, sorry man.
Posted by bulldog2 on April 28, 2008, at 22:46:19
In reply to wow..., posted by med_empowered on April 28, 2008, at 21:00:29
> that's hardcore. I can't believe a granola therapist won't see you unless there are meds in the picture. My guess: they're lazy and need meds to do some of the heavy lifting for them. I mean, meds can help and all, but for some people+situations, drug-free therapy can be awesome...although apparently this T disagrees...
>
> Anyway, sorry man.Thanks..more and more I'm seeing lazy professionals in the mental health field who don't want difficult cases.
Posted by bulldog2 on April 28, 2008, at 22:50:12
In reply to Re: Stunned By A Therapist's Rejection » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on April 28, 2008, at 20:53:07
> Bulldog never heard of a holistic therapist. Maybe post on psychology as see if they know what their experience is. I'd think holistic would be not on any meds???? What do they do hypnosis? supplement?. I wonder if google turns up anything? Phillipa
She advertised as using spiritual, reikki, and working on the body and mind. Maybe it can't be done without meds. This seemed like a perfect alternative to the more traditional approach.
Posted by Phillipa on April 28, 2008, at 23:16:46
In reply to Re: Stunned By A Therapist's Rejection, posted by bulldog2 on April 28, 2008, at 22:50:12
Reikki where they swing that little thing over the chakrahs? A lady did this to me when living at the beach the pharmacy there was holistic and the guy who owned it offered all this stuff free. Even had an oxygen bar. When doing a health product pyramid he signed on with me and we gave presentations there. I was his boss. They had massage and all these natural beverages they would hand out for free. The reikki lady said I was so relaxed so I don't think I believe in it. But that is me. Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on April 29, 2008, at 8:16:03
In reply to Re: Stunned By A Therapist's Rejection » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on April 28, 2008, at 23:16:46
> Reikki where they swing that little thing over the chakrahs? A lady did this to me when living at the beach the pharmacy there was holistic and the guy who owned it offered all this stuff free. Even had an oxygen bar. When doing a health product pyramid he signed on with me and we gave presentations there. I was his boss. They had massage and all these natural beverages they would hand out for free. The reikki lady said I was so relaxed so I don't think I believe in it. But that is me. Phillipa
I'm assuming she was a quack therapist.Any therapist worth their salt would not insist you be stabilized on meds. If I was stablizied on meds and felt good I wouldn't be looking for her services.
Posted by Racer on April 29, 2008, at 10:06:09
In reply to Re: wow..., posted by bulldog2 on April 28, 2008, at 22:46:19
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> Thanks..more and more I'm seeing lazy professionals in the mental health field who don't want difficult cases.I don't know about lazy, but that's a different story...
When I was looking for my current therapist, I heard a lot of reasons why therapists wouldn't see me:
"You won't find anyone to see you, because no one will see adults with anorexia. Do you know why? It's because anorexics DIE!"
Uh, thanks? I didn't know that my disorder was life-threatening, that's why I'm not looking for treatment? Thanks for the encouragement, anyway...
"How tall are you? How much do you weigh? No -- I won't see you. You need to be in the hospital."
Uh... Did you not just hear me say that I am seeing a dietitian, and have gained fifteen pounds on an outpatient basis?
I just saw the time, so I have to stop this meander down Bad Memory Lane. I'm sorry you got this response. It's true that meds and therapy together tend to work best -- but meds don't do enough for me to say I'm "stabilized," so I guess I can never have therapy?
I wish I could email you my therapist and my psychiatrist -- they're a good team...
Posted by bulldog2 on April 29, 2008, at 10:31:10
In reply to Re: wow... » bulldog2, posted by Racer on April 29, 2008, at 10:06:09
> > >
> > Thanks..more and more I'm seeing lazy professionals in the mental health field who don't want difficult cases.
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> I don't know about lazy, but that's a different story...
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> When I was looking for my current therapist, I heard a lot of reasons why therapists wouldn't see me:
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> "You won't find anyone to see you, because no one will see adults with anorexia. Do you know why? It's because anorexics DIE!"
>
> Uh, thanks? I didn't know that my disorder was life-threatening, that's why I'm not looking for treatment? Thanks for the encouragement, anyway...
>
> "How tall are you? How much do you weigh? No -- I won't see you. You need to be in the hospital."
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> Uh... Did you not just hear me say that I am seeing a dietitian, and have gained fifteen pounds on an outpatient basis?
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> I just saw the time, so I have to stop this meander down Bad Memory Lane. I'm sorry you got this response. It's true that meds and therapy together tend to work best -- but meds don't do enough for me to say I'm "stabilized," so I guess I can never have therapy?
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> I wish I could email you my therapist and my psychiatrist -- they're a good team...It seems like the really good therapists do not accept insurance and are very pricey. That's my experience where I live. The ones covered by my insurance seem to not want difficult cases and I would describe that as lazy.Personally I find it immoral and unethical to turn down people because their cases are to difficult.Those are the people that need help the most. Their lack of compassion and coldness in the face of suffering is appalling.
Posted by Phillipa on April 29, 2008, at 10:50:45
In reply to Re: wow..., posted by bulldog2 on April 29, 2008, at 10:31:10
Bulldog same in your area too? Pretty soon it may emcompass everywhere. Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on April 29, 2008, at 11:01:32
In reply to Re: wow... » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on April 29, 2008, at 10:50:45
> Bulldog same in your area too? Pretty soon it may emcompass everywhere. Phillipa
The good ones are like rock stars..They want to treat the rich.
Posted by bleauberry on April 29, 2008, at 15:59:43
In reply to Stunned By A Therapist's Rejection, posted by bulldog2 on April 28, 2008, at 19:59:03
Doesn't sound like a good therapist to me. I've had good ones and bad ones and I know the difference.
A good one, even if unable to help symptoms, can be a fantastic cheerleader and coach all in one, keeping you going, keeping you feeling like you are a really special unique worthy person. That's goes a long way toward healing and taking steps forward.
A good one can also help get stabilized on meds. If currently unstabilized, a good therapist can help get those meds working better.
At the very least I would think one appointment was too soon to pass such a hasty decision. A good therapist would probably want some time to get to know you better before passing any judgements.
Maybe the therapist is cherry picking the easiest cases for a better looking resume or the lack of talent to handle anything more.
Posted by ClearSkies on April 30, 2008, at 7:28:46
In reply to Re: wow..., posted by bulldog2 on April 29, 2008, at 10:31:10
> It seems like the really good therapists do not accept insurance and are very pricey. That's my experience where I live. The ones covered by my insurance seem to not want difficult cases and I would describe that as lazy.Personally I find it immoral and unethical to turn down people because their cases are to difficult.Those are the people that need help the most. Their lack of compassion and coldness in the face of suffering is appalling.I've had terrible experiences with therapists on my insurance plans. It's been a self correcting problem, though, since my insurance now disallows any psychiatric treatment (and a hollow LOL on that one indeed).
But I've been fortunate in finding a therapist in private practice whose fees are not unreasonable - those professionals ARE out there. It took me several tries to find my T, but it's a great fit and we are doing good work together.
My advice would be to not let the insurance company dictate the care that you receive - you might find that there are therapists out there who prefer to remain outside of the system and also have reasonable session rates.
Good luck,
ClearSkies
Posted by SteelyDan on April 30, 2008, at 11:14:30
In reply to Stunned By A Therapist's Rejection, posted by bulldog2 on April 28, 2008, at 19:59:03
> I was interested in the services of a wholistic therapist who uses some novel alternative techniques.She asked me if I was stabilized on medication and I replied no. Well she said she wouldn't take the case because statistics show the best results are a combo of meds and therapy. So now patients don't have rights any more. You either take meds or they won't treat you. I'm certainly not anti-med but I thought a holistic therapist might have a different path.
I'm stunned too, that's just flat wrong!! Try not to let it get you down though..keep looking and you will find somebody with ethics that will take your case. I'm sorry you had this bad experience, but please keep fighting!!
-Dan
Posted by bulldog2 on April 30, 2008, at 15:36:34
In reply to Re: Stunned By A Therapist's Rejection » bulldog2, posted by SteelyDan on April 30, 2008, at 11:14:30
> > I was interested in the services of a wholistic therapist who uses some novel alternative techniques.She asked me if I was stabilized on medication and I replied no. Well she said she wouldn't take the case because statistics show the best results are a combo of meds and therapy. So now patients don't have rights any more. You either take meds or they won't treat you. I'm certainly not anti-med but I thought a holistic therapist might have a different path.
>
> I'm stunned too, that's just flat wrong!! Try not to let it get you down though..keep looking and you will find somebody with ethics that will take your case. I'm sorry you had this bad experience, but please keep fighting!!
>
> -DanThere are many frauds and charlatans out there!
Posted by ace on April 30, 2008, at 23:45:17
In reply to Stunned By A Therapist's Rejection, posted by bulldog2 on April 28, 2008, at 19:59:03
> I was interested in the services of a wholistic therapist who uses some novel alternative techniques.
hmmmmm...what are these novel techniques?
She asked me if I was stabilized on medication and I replied no. Well she said she wouldn't take the case because statistics show the best results are a combo of meds and therapy.
That's not true at all. 99% of statistics on this (and all psychiatric/psychological studies) essentially say "More study must be done"!!!
It is very cliched to say what she said, but tell her you want to see the statistics and the statistical methods employed.
So now patients don't have rights any more. You either take meds or they won't treat you. I'm certainly not anti-med but I thought a holistic therapist might have a different path.. Essentially, she does not have to treat you, unless you were overtly suicidal/homocidal. Then she still could refer you to another MD/psychotherapist. This is Australian Law, although.
Personally, I would just move on and find someone more congruent with your mindset.
Ask to see her statistics but- I bet you will never see them!
Ace.................
Posted by bulldog2 on May 1, 2008, at 6:59:44
In reply to Re: Stunned By A Therapist's Rejection » bulldog2, posted by ace on April 30, 2008, at 23:45:17
> > I was interested in the services of a wholistic therapist who uses some novel alternative techniques.
>
> hmmmmm...what are these novel techniques?
>
> She asked me if I was stabilized on medication and I replied no. Well she said she wouldn't take the case because statistics show the best results are a combo of meds and therapy.
>
> That's not true at all. 99% of statistics on this (and all psychiatric/psychological studies) essentially say "More study must be done"!!!
>
> It is very cliched to say what she said, but tell her you want to see the statistics and the statistical methods employed.
>
>
> So now patients don't have rights any more. You either take meds or they won't treat you. I'm certainly not anti-med but I thought a holistic therapist might have a different path.
>
> . Essentially, she does not have to treat you, unless you were overtly suicidal/homocidal. Then she still could refer you to another MD/psychotherapist. This is Australian Law, although.
>
> Personally, I would just move on and find someone more congruent with your mindset.
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> Ask to see her statistics but- I bet you will never see them!
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> Ace.................
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>I have already moved on. The initial conversation with her told me the chemistry was not there. Actually the good psychotherapists are often glad to take on hard cases and treat without meds. Sometimes they may recommend meds. You have to be wary of people who advertise themselves as holistic. They are often charlatans.
Posted by elanor roosevelt on May 2, 2008, at 10:55:41
In reply to Re: Stunned By A Therapist's Rejection, posted by bulldog2 on May 1, 2008, at 6:59:44
glad to hear you have moved on
i have been turned down by two psychotherapists this year
trying not to take it too personally
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