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psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?

Posted by Jeroen on April 27, 2008, at 13:25:02

psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?
there are few out there, but thats like 4% i think of that kind of people..


there are always the good and the bad, the bad will suck your t*ts and rape you and take your money

the good will treath you but also take your money

i've been treathed by that 4% and now i been put on by the rippers

don't you agree philippa? hehe :)

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » Jeroen

Posted by Phillipa on April 27, 2008, at 13:27:26

In reply to psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?, posted by Jeroen on April 27, 2008, at 13:25:02

Jeroen I guess go and good luck what happened? Love Phillipa

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?

Posted by Guy on April 27, 2008, at 13:50:01

In reply to psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?, posted by Jeroen on April 27, 2008, at 13:25:02

I was checking out my pdoc on the net a couple of weeks ago and discovered to my great surprise that his license was yanked by the college of physicians and surgeons for drugging women in his office (intravenous drip) and then raping them while they were in the "twilight zone." Don't know how this guy got his license back or how he avoided going to jail. In any case, he's retiring in a few weeks so I will have to find someone else.

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?

Posted by Jeroen on April 27, 2008, at 14:02:52

In reply to Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » Jeroen, posted by Phillipa on April 27, 2008, at 13:27:26

so are we the sick m*th*erfuc*ker* or the psychiatrist who rape the patient, i didnt came up with what you just said,

drugging, intravanious

sick

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?

Posted by bulldog2 on April 27, 2008, at 14:22:24

In reply to psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?, posted by Jeroen on April 27, 2008, at 13:25:02

> psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?
> there are few out there, but thats like 4% i think of that kind of people..
>
>
> there are always the good and the bad, the bad will suck your t*ts and rape you and take your money
>
> the good will treath you but also take your money
>
> i've been treathed by that 4% and now i been put on by the rippers
>
> don't you agree philippa? hehe :)

Medicine is now just a business and even the good ones are basically in it for the money. There was a time they would treat people for whatever they could afford. Even if all they could offer was a chicken.

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?

Posted by Jeroen on April 27, 2008, at 14:24:52

In reply to Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?, posted by bulldog2 on April 27, 2008, at 14:22:24

so my tardive dyskinesia is caused by a $300 medicine i imported from the USA

good point, at that time abilify was $350 a bottle

maybe im just stupid ye

way to gooo philippa : )

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » Guy

Posted by saturn on April 27, 2008, at 14:28:12

In reply to Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?, posted by Guy on April 27, 2008, at 13:50:01

> I was checking out my pdoc on the net a couple of weeks ago and discovered to my great surprise that his license was yanked by the college of physicians and surgeons for drugging women in his office (intravenous drip) and then raping them while they were in the "twilight zone." Don't know how this guy got his license back or how he avoided going to jail. In any case, he's retiring in a few weeks so I will have to find someone else.

In no defense of psychiatrists but I find this difficult to believe. Peace...Saturn.

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » Jeroen

Posted by seldomseen on April 27, 2008, at 17:21:12

In reply to psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?, posted by Jeroen on April 27, 2008, at 13:25:02

Nope, I don't agree.

Money is a part of their practice. It seems to me the ones in private practice charge what the market will bear.

There are good ones and bad ones, just like any profession.

Sorry that you seem to have had some bad experiences though.

Seldom.

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?

Posted by Jeroen on April 27, 2008, at 17:30:39

In reply to Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » Jeroen, posted by seldomseen on April 27, 2008, at 17:21:12

im hopeless case, even with good prospection of getting better i am nowhere, just misery thats all

good day

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?

Posted by Shadowplayers721 on April 27, 2008, at 23:48:08

In reply to psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?, posted by Jeroen on April 27, 2008, at 13:25:02

I have had some really mean ones that were in need of meds or something, but I have a good one now.

The last one I had kept telling me how she wanted to kill people, talked behind doors, and was convinced that I had cancer somewhere in my body.

She was fired from her job and I couldn't get my medical record from her. She acted so paranoid about my request. :(

 

Re: please be civil » Jeroen

Posted by Dr. Bob on April 29, 2008, at 2:24:35

In reply to psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?, posted by Jeroen on April 27, 2008, at 13:25:02

> the bad will suck your t*ts

Please don't use language that could offend others.

But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person. And I'm sorry if others did feel offended.

I encourage anyone who has questions about this or about posting policies in general, or is interested in alternative ways of expressing themselves, to see the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.

Thanks,

Bob

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?

Posted by Sigismund on April 29, 2008, at 3:01:57

In reply to psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?, posted by Jeroen on April 27, 2008, at 13:25:02

I wanted soul doctors, not technocrats, so I was disappointed.

Analysts were better.

 

Re: please be civil

Posted by Jeroen on April 29, 2008, at 3:20:54

In reply to Re: please be civil » Jeroen, posted by Dr. Bob on April 29, 2008, at 2:24:35

where does this hate come from?

really, shadow, omg ! :)

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » Jeroen

Posted by ace on April 30, 2008, at 8:50:46

In reply to psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?, posted by Jeroen on April 27, 2008, at 13:25:02

> psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?
> there are few out there, but thats like 4% i think of that kind of people..

Ha ha..interesting title! I think a fair portion of psychiatrists are unethical, and treat their "patients" with contempt. Just always remeber they are human beings only...they have just had extensive training - some of which is very questionable itself.

>
> there are always the good and the bad, the bad will suck your t*ts and rape you and take your money
>
> the good will treath you but also take your money

The good psychiatrists, I feel, put themself in your shoes, treat you as a fellow human, and try to find appropriate treatment for you. And if they see you on the street, they say 'hi' too! Certainly they must retain boundaries, but I feel many take it overboard- to point where they can further a "patients" sense of rejection, inferiority etc etc, by putting up their safety 'glass wall',,,,

Psychotherapy should be replaced by good friends and common sense and family IMO
A lot of psychologists didn't have the marks to get in medicine and have the biggest inferiority complexes out their


> i've been treathed by that 4% and now i been put on by the rippers
>
> don't you agree philippa? hehe :)

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » Jeroen

Posted by SteelyDan on April 30, 2008, at 10:37:57

In reply to psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?, posted by Jeroen on April 27, 2008, at 13:25:02

> psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?
> there are few out there, but thats like 4% i think of that kind of people..
>
>
> there are always the good and the bad, the bad will suck your t*ts and rape you and take your money
>
> the good will treath you but also take your money
>
> i've been treathed by that 4% and now i been put on by the rippers
>
> don't you agree philippa? hehe :)

I have had my fair share of bad ones in the past 27 years, most definitely...but i've had some good ones also. Just like ordinary people, there is good and bad in everyone, including Psychiatrists/Doctors.

-Dan

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » ace

Posted by gardenergirl on April 30, 2008, at 18:34:40

In reply to Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » Jeroen, posted by ace on April 30, 2008, at 8:50:46

>
> A lot of psychologists didn't have the marks to get in medicine and have the biggest inferiority complexes out their

Hey Ace,
I would be shocked to discover any body of scientific evidence to back up your statement. Members of both professions can co-exist and (gasp!) even work together effectively and respectfully despite beliefs such as yours.

gg

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?

Posted by Jeroen on April 30, 2008, at 19:07:21

In reply to Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » ace, posted by gardenergirl on April 30, 2008, at 18:34:40

im sorry also to dr bob, i know you people see 100 of people a day : | so, it must be a tuff job i guess


thanks, for any help i gotten from any psychiatrist.

sorry all for bad experiences, i think we got them all don't we : |

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?)Ace

Posted by Sigismund on April 30, 2008, at 19:28:06

In reply to Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » ace, posted by gardenergirl on April 30, 2008, at 18:34:40

The problem with the psych course I started was that it was so boring and behaviourist.

I *assume* that the issues have been covered much better by theology than has ever be done by either of the professions you mention, at least lately.

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » Jeroen

Posted by Phillipa on April 30, 2008, at 20:02:42

In reply to Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?, posted by Jeroen on April 30, 2008, at 19:07:21

Jeroen think a lot of us have had good and bad pdocs therapists too at least for me that's true. So dont feel badly. Love Phillipa you expressed how you felt.

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » gardenergirl

Posted by ace on April 30, 2008, at 23:06:45

In reply to Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » ace, posted by gardenergirl on April 30, 2008, at 18:34:40

> >
> > A lot of psychologists didn't have the marks to get in medicine and have the biggest inferiority complexes out their
>
> Hey Ace,
> I would be shocked to discover any body of scientific evidence to back up your statement.


So would I be! Because their is no study that exists as to show the foibles of psychologists. Let alone any scientific study! Hang on...their are NO scientific studies in psychiatry or psychology at all! Illness is based on personal judgment, not blood tests, smears etc

I certainly am not like Mr. Tom Cruise I personally feel Tom has been a little brainwashed) but- I do believe that clinical illness within psychiatry, for the most part, does reflect illness. However they simply can't be defined in a rigid way that conforms to the medical model. For instance, I believe that depression can have 5 different aetiologies's in 5 different patients. Pschiatrists have to see beyond the 'square' more....

Members of both professions can co-exist and (gasp!) even work together effectively and respectfully despite beliefs such as yours.


Sure they can. But they are NOT scientists, and they are no better, wiser than their 'patients'. Furthermore, all should have intense screening for psychiatric problems before being allowed to practice. I have seen many training psych's and they are out of control- they are going into the profession for all the wrong reasons.
And psychology is fundamentally wrong IMO. To go to another person and PAY to help you find the answers to your life is wrong- I feel this is the place for family, friends, religion, spirituality etc. Furthermore, I feel psychology has no business with the treatment of clinical illness, i.e. OCD, schizophrenia etc.

Notice that I emphasis that these is my opinions! And people are free to disagree and voice that disagreeance What a boring world it would be if their was no difference of opinion!

>
> gg
>

Hope all is well for u!
Ace...........................

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?)Ace » Sigismund

Posted by ace on April 30, 2008, at 23:23:40

In reply to Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?)Ace, posted by Sigismund on April 30, 2008, at 19:28:06

> The problem with the psych course I started was that it was so boring and behaviourist.

It was very much that way when I studied at my university here in Sydney Australia. And they held this whole self-help "industry" in high esteem.

> I *assume* that the issues have been covered much better by theology than has ever be done by either of the professions you mention, at least lately.

I would say this, yes. I think finding peace of mind has to come in an authentic way- it can't be 'pushed' through desperately seeking answers from others- ie. psychologists. And I feel that psychology should not really exist as a profession. Most psychiatrists in Australia are highly medically orientated these days, they find medication the only way for many pyschiatric syndromes.

At this point in time I think this is fair. I DO believe most psychiatric illness represents aberrant brain biochemistry, often due to trauma (mostly in youth)

But, then they still have to send the patient to a psychologist to treat the syndrome (within the hospital system here) So they are acting in contradiction to their own position!

As the saying goes "You cant talk to illness"!

Ace!

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » ace

Posted by Sigismund on May 1, 2008, at 2:46:11

In reply to Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?)Ace » Sigismund, posted by ace on April 30, 2008, at 23:23:40

You can't talk to illness?

Well, I disagree.

And just because some brain chemistry thing is concurrent with some mental state does not mean we should discount the experiential aspect by saying 'Well, this chemical change causes that mental state and therefore....'

We can really learn by listening to each other.
When I hear someone say they are depressed I immediately want to ask (I know it sounds cheesy)
'What does it feel like for you?'

In other words perhaps and for example, I prefer 'dark night (decade?) of the soul' to 'psychotic depression'.

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?

Posted by sdb on May 1, 2008, at 14:22:37

In reply to Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree? » ace, posted by Sigismund on May 1, 2008, at 2:46:11

i personally know that psychiatrists can be mentally disabled but what I've seen is that other doctors can be disabled too. the number of clear subjects is too small to make any definitive conclusions.

 

good point )) sdb

Posted by Jeroen on May 1, 2008, at 15:08:14

In reply to Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?, posted by sdb on May 1, 2008, at 14:22:37

good point!

i am scared of my psychiatrist, wich is not a good sign, i had 1 good one and it was a woman

 

Re: psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?

Posted by RN320 on May 5, 2008, at 19:31:10

In reply to psychiatrists are bastard don't you agree?, posted by Jeroen on April 27, 2008, at 13:25:02

Hey Jeroen-
Sorry you've had what seems to be a really bad experience. I've heard so many people talk about the way that they've been treated by the very people who are supposed to be specialized in the area of Mental Illness yet don't seem to be able to apply it, or give a rip about their patients. I would like to show you the other side, however:

I fell into a major psychotic depression back in March of 2001. I'd never had a mental illness before and was perfectly functional (had a great career, lots of friends and special relationships with others). I have a slight immune system problem, and was going in for a routine follow up appt with my immunologist, who has treated me for almost 20 years now. I was falling apart and planning to kill myself, and had no intention of seeking help of any kind. Of course the worst (best?) thing happened- I broke down when I saw my doc and we talked for quite awhile. He arranged an appointment with a psychiatrist in the building, who fit me in because of the abrupt and severe onset of the depression and psychosis described by my immunologist.

Initially I didn't trust him, although he had very kind eyes and appeared very concerned about me. (But then i was extremely paranoid about most things at the time.) I grew to like him as the months went on. I've now been seeing him for 7+ years. He does all kinds of things that show his concern for me-
1)He knows that I can't stand crowds and he runs a very busy practice, so he personally makes all of my appointments for me and TELLS the person at the desk (who usually makes the appts)the date and time to book. He tries to see me on days when he's not doing a med clinic, but if that's not possible he puts me ahead of his 1st patient of the day or after the last patient of the day.
2)He's a straight shooter- if he wants to introduce a new medication, he explains the info he has, offers me the chance to get more, and asks me what I think about trying it. This is how I got on the EMSAM.
3) In 2007 I required brain surgery and also broke my ankle (actually it was shattered and required 2 surgeries and 3 months in a wheelchair). His office staff does not normally help patients outside of the doors of the office, but when i explained that my mom (who weighs <90# and is 83 years old)would be driving me for appts and couldn't lift the wheelchair out of the car- he told us to just call from the car and that help would come from the office over to the parking structure to help us get into the office and then back to the car after the appt. His office manager told me that they just couldn't accept the liabilty to help me, so when I told Dr. G what she said, he said quietly "I'll take care of it" and he did.
4)Although he's very eccentric (he's older, wears the bowtie and is the stereotypical Jewish Psychiatrist!) I really enjoy him. He has shown me that he has a sense of humor over the years, and although he really doesn't talk about anything personal, he'll answer a question if i ask. Recently there was a baby picture front and center on his desk, and I asked him if he'd become a grandpa for the first time and he just beamed. He's always been kind to me. I know he has a bad temper, as I've seen it used on others, but he's never used it on me. He's gotten frustrated with me on occasion, but it's done in a respectful manner.
5. A couple of years ago I had to have a Cardiac Cath on an urgent basis, and he actually called me on a friday night at home (when he wasn't on call) just to ask how things went, and then called again over the weekend just to "check in" with me. He did the same when I was discharged from the hosptial from a really bad head injury. Also- I mentioned above the major surgeries from 2007. I had major complications from both and spent weeks at a time hospitalized and was very ill. I was told afterwards that none of my docs thought I was going to live. Even though my problems were not psychiatric in these hospitalizations, Dr. G came to see me religiously after hours, since I was not at the hosptial that he normally works out of. He had his office staff call me almost every day to ask how I was doing, and if there was a problem I'd hear back from him- even if it had nothing to do with my mental illness.
I won't bore you with anything else about my Dr. G, but to me THIS is a GREAT Psychiatrist. I have no other experiences to compare.

I have the same type of (although much closer from a personal perspective)relationship with my Psychologist. I started seeing him immediately once i began seeing Dr. G. Dr. P has been teriffic. I cringe when I hear other people's horror stories about Therapists and it just makes me more grateful that I have been lucky (blessed?) to have the same docs for so long. I'm a female, and my psychologist, Dr. P is a guy. I still feel comfortable talking about just about anything with him.

I'm so sorry you have had such bad experiences. The only bad experiences I've had being mentally ill is the treatment that you get from OTHER doctors and most all nurses. I'm a nurse myself, and was appalled at how these so-called psych nurse specialists treat others. i initially spent a lot of time in the hospital (thank God it was a private hospital- no "villiage idiot" resident wannabe doctors to deal with!) and it was the NURSES that treated me the absolute worst. Then the first Internist I had attributed everything I said to "anxiety and depression". Because of that, he missed a life threatening parathyroid tumor (the normal parathyroid gland weighs about 40mg; my tumor weighed 944mg!), heart disease (he begrudginly sent me to a cardiologist that he talked to in advance about me. This cardiologist never took my blood pressure, never did an EKG, never even examined me- and told me- just based on talking to me- that there was nothing wrong with my heart. Dr. G, my shrink, called the Internist and kind of blew him out, telling him that I deserved better treatment than what I had received), and diabetes (my blood sugars had been high for the last 2 years I saw him and he never mentioned it or did anything about it). Based on these experiences, it has taken me a long time to trust any physician that I'm introduced to. It took a long time, but I am now "shielded" by a wonderful team of doctors and practitioners who all work together, talk to each other, and aren't afraid to pick up the phone to express concern within someone elses specialty. I'm not afraid to talk to any of them about anything that's bothering me because I know that I'll be listened to and that my concern will be followed up on. What more can you ask?!

I hope that you can find someone like Drs. G and P to help you. After reading what you wrote and others' responses, I immediately thought that my docs are probably in the 1-2% of them all- the good ones, that is.
Hang in there. Just remember, they're not ALL scumbags! Best wishes.
/RN320
ps- sorry for the length......


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