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Posted by antiserial on April 21, 2008, at 3:06:19
depression...
suppression...
oppression...aren't they really all connected?
if you remove the sources of suppression and oppression from your life, will you then also be free of depression?
there's no lasting freedom without control, though... BUT NOT CONTROL BY AN EXTERNAL SOURCE... people ask why God doesn't do anything... but God doesn't want to control you...
and yes, I might be projecting, but who really isn't? doesn't psychiatry also project diagnosises into people's minds, so that they act out the role they have been given by psychiatrists?
the revolution isn't pill-shaped...
please note that I'm not excluding the possibility that sometimes an actual physical brain dysfunction can be a source for depression... but don't forget that medication itself can also act as the suppressor and oppressor...
"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." 1 John 4:18
Posted by Jeroen on April 21, 2008, at 4:26:52
In reply to You are all missing the point..., posted by antiserial on April 21, 2008, at 3:06:19
i have schizophrenia, meaning i live with depression from the moment i wake up and go to bed
for years, i am asking if it is punishment from god, i think it is ... because i got it when it was time for some honeys down the street hehe
Posted by Jeroen on April 21, 2008, at 4:27:38
In reply to Re: You are all missing the point..., posted by Jeroen on April 21, 2008, at 4:26:52
I'M BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCk!!!!!!!! :)
Posted by SLS on April 21, 2008, at 5:11:52
In reply to You are all missing the point..., posted by antiserial on April 21, 2008, at 3:06:19
> depression...
> suppression...
> oppression...I LOVE these words. I use all of them to describe the various experiences of depression, particularly biological depression. I find that they are all applicable, yet different enough to warrant the use of all three. Where we differ, however is that a biological depression can be understood using them.
> depression... Yes. This is the most difficult to qualify because it encompasses so much of the pathological experience. Part of it is a warping of thought processes leading towards negative outcomes. It is the lack of energy, motivation, volition, and the loss of interest in paticipating in activities. It often includes characteristic vegetative symptoms including perturbations of sleep, loss of libido, changes in appetite and body weight, etc.
> suppression... Yes. It is a suppression of cognition. It is the suppression of mental and biological processes. It numbs the experience of cognitive, emotional, and affective components to one's life. It is the inhibition of behavior. It dulls the reaction to external and internal stimuli.
> oppression... Yes. This is psychic pain. It is extreme dysphoria that makes the conscious experience intolerable.
> aren't they really all connected?
I think so. However I think for any individual, there are different ratios in the magnitude of these aspects of the altered state of consciousness that we call depression
> if you remove the sources of suppression and oppression from your life, will you then also be free of depression?
I don't believe this is a universal experience. Reducing the amount of negative psychosocial stress can help minimize the depressive state, although not always. It can also reduce the probabilities that genetic vulnerabilities towards depression will be expressed, as well as causing treatment-breakthrough.
Depression, whether biologically-driven or psychologically driven, is such an extremely frustrating to experience and see in others. I don't doubt that you are trying to help everyone. Why else would you spend the time contemplating and proposing ways to prevent the initiation and perpetuation of depression?
Just my take on the meaning of your three descriptor words.
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on April 21, 2008, at 5:23:46
In reply to Re: You are all missing the point... » antiserial, posted by SLS on April 21, 2008, at 5:11:52
I apologize. The definitions of these words are my own. I should not have included a ">" before them in my previous post:
DEPRESSION... Yes. This is the most difficult to qualify because it encompasses so much of the pathological experience. Part of it is a warping of thought processes leading towards negative outcomes. It is the lack of energy, motivation, volition, and the loss of interest in paticipating in activities. It often includes characteristic vegetative symptoms including perturbations of sleep, loss of libido, changes in appetite and body weight, etc.
SUPPRESSION... Yes. It is a suppression of cognition. It is the suppression of mental and biological processes. It numbs the experience of cognitive, emotional, and affective components to one's life. It is the inhibition of behavior. It dulls the reaction to external and internal stimuli.
OPPRESSION... Yes. This is psychic pain. It is extreme dysphoria that makes the conscious experience intolerable.
- Scott
Posted by bulldog2 on April 21, 2008, at 8:17:31
In reply to You are all missing the point..., posted by antiserial on April 21, 2008, at 3:06:19
> depression...
> suppression...
> oppression...
>
> aren't they really all connected?
>
> if you remove the sources of suppression and oppression from your life, will you then also be free of depression?
>
> there's no lasting freedom without control, though... BUT NOT CONTROL BY AN EXTERNAL SOURCE... people ask why God doesn't do anything... but God doesn't want to control you...
>
> and yes, I might be projecting, but who really isn't? doesn't psychiatry also project diagnosises into people's minds, so that they act out the role they have been given by psychiatrists?
>
> the revolution isn't pill-shaped...
>
> please note that I'm not excluding the possibility that sometimes an actual physical brain dysfunction can be a source for depression... but don't forget that medication itself can also act as the suppressor and oppressor...
>
> "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." 1 John 4:18Depression can certainly be a valid response to our enviroment. Sometimes the beast can get an early start if you are unfortunate enough to grow up in a toxic environment (family). Our society is certainly becoming more toxic. As someone who grew up in the 60's I've had the opportunity to observe changes in our society. The cultural revolution of the 60's and 70's has seriouly weaked our major institutions which used to be the glue that kept us together and maybe helped keep us sane. The institutions of marriage, school, church , law and order are all under assault. Children go into schools to kill each other and terrorists wage war on civilians.More and more people are becoming hedonistic and self centered.I believe our minds need meaning and order. This chaos we live in is a recipe for mental illness.
More and more I realize I need to make some changes in my life so that i feel my life has meaning and purpose. I can't change society but I can change the way I live.
Posted by gardenergirl on April 21, 2008, at 10:29:35
In reply to You are all missing the point..., posted by antiserial on April 21, 2008, at 3:06:19
If "all" are missing the point expressed by one, is it more likely that the "missing" of it is related to something that lies within the collective "all"? Or within each and every individual comprising the "all"? Or could it be that the "missing" of it is related to something that lies within the one?
Hmmmm, which is the more parsimonious explanation?
gg
Posted by Phillipa on April 21, 2008, at 10:33:05
In reply to TO PHILIPPA!, posted by Jeroen on April 21, 2008, at 4:27:38
Jeroen welcome. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on April 21, 2008, at 10:37:43
In reply to Re: You are all missing the point..., posted by bulldog2 on April 21, 2008, at 8:17:31
Bulldog agree with a lot you say bad childhood equals poor coping skills as you or I weren't taught any. As for changing the way we live our life are you saying ignore the world changes and stay in our own safe world or go out and try to adapt to the new world? I know I will never have an Ipod or blackberry and don't want one. White picket fences and love forever were what I wanted. Work filled the void and got about 25 years of happiness. Maybe that is all I'm entitled to? Don't know. Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on April 21, 2008, at 11:03:35
In reply to Re: You are all missing the point... » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on April 21, 2008, at 10:37:43
> Bulldog agree with a lot you say bad childhood equals poor coping skills as you or I weren't taught any. As for changing the way we live our life are you saying ignore the world changes and stay in our own safe world or go out and try to adapt to the new world? I know I will never have an Ipod or blackberry and don't want one. White picket fences and love forever were what I wanted. Work filled the void and got about 25 years of happiness. Maybe that is all I'm entitled to? Don't know. Phillipa
We have to learn to cope with an insane world. We can see that having things really doesn't buy happiness. Look at the kids today. They have far more than we ever had and seem so depressed, lost and often lack a moral compass.For some it may be becoming involved in a political or spiritual causes. I think for me I have to get out of just existing day by day to a life with some meaning and zest.It seems like the happiest people are people that are involved in something they are passionate about.
We have no choice but to adapt to the new world. But you can still create your own world. Some may garden, paint, mediatate, become spiritual but we must feed our minds positive experiences.and some may need meds to stop the backsliding so they can move forward.
Posted by Phillipa on April 21, 2008, at 12:03:43
In reply to Re: You are all missing the point..., posted by bulldog2 on April 21, 2008, at 11:03:35
Agree what's your plan do you have one? Seriously? Love Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on April 21, 2008, at 13:05:27
In reply to Re: You are all missing the point..., posted by Phillipa on April 21, 2008, at 12:03:43
> Agree what's your plan do you have one? Seriously? Love Phillipa
Have thought of joining a meditation group that does some teaching in buddhism. Something I've had an interest in for awhile..Have to spend more time in therapy exploring options. Maybe depression is a true reaction to something missing that we need.
Posted by Phillipa on April 21, 2008, at 19:16:39
In reply to Re: You are all missing the point..., posted by bulldog2 on April 21, 2008, at 13:05:27
Take me back twenty years in the time machine and I will show you truly happy. Love Phillipa
Posted by SteelyDan on April 21, 2008, at 19:30:39
In reply to You are all missing the point..., posted by antiserial on April 21, 2008, at 3:06:19
> depression...
> suppression...
> oppression...
>
> aren't they really all connected?
>
> if you remove the sources of suppression and oppression from your life, will you then also be free of depression?
>
> there's no lasting freedom without control, though... BUT NOT CONTROL BY AN EXTERNAL SOURCE... people ask why God doesn't do anything... but God doesn't want to control you...
>
> and yes, I might be projecting, but who really isn't? doesn't psychiatry also project diagnosises into people's minds, so that they act out the role they have been given by psychiatrists?
>
> the revolution isn't pill-shaped...
>
> please note that I'm not excluding the possibility that sometimes an actual physical brain dysfunction can be a source for depression... but don't forget that medication itself can also act as the suppressor and oppressor...
>
> "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." 1 John 4:18For the most part i think you are right on...and i love the Bible verse at the end. :)
-Dan
Posted by undopaminergic on April 22, 2008, at 14:14:42
In reply to Re: You are all missing the point... » antiserial, posted by SLS on April 21, 2008, at 5:11:52
> > depression...
> > suppression...
> > oppression...
>
>
> > depression... Yes. This is the most difficult to qualify because it encompasses so much of the pathological experience. Part of it is a warping of thought processes leading towards negative outcomes. It is the lack of energy, motivation, volition, and the loss of interest in paticipating in activities. It often includes characteristic vegetative symptoms including perturbations of sleep, loss of libido, changes in appetite and body weight, etc.
>
> > suppression... Yes. It is a suppression of cognition. It is the suppression of mental and biological processes. It numbs the experience of cognitive, emotional, and affective components to one's life. It is the inhibition of behavior. It dulls the reaction to external and internal stimuli.
>
> > oppression... Yes. This is psychic pain. It is extreme dysphoria that makes the conscious experience intolerable.
>It seems that I have considerable amounts of the first two, but little or nothing of the third. This is interesting because major depression is often called a mood disorder, which sometimes makes me question whether depression is a good term to describe my symptoms.
Posted by undopaminergic on April 23, 2008, at 0:36:09
In reply to Re: You are all missing the point..., posted by bulldog2 on April 21, 2008, at 11:03:35
>
> I think for me I have to get out of just existing day by day to a life with some meaning and zest.It seems like the happiest people are people that are involved in something they are passionate about.
>The reason why you are thinking about these things is that you're depressed. Unfortunately, when you're depressed, or at least anhedonic, there *can be* no meaning nor any passion, excitement or enthusiasm. When you're feeling *great*, all those things are a matter of course: everything feels so meaningful and the slightest impulse fills you with manic excitement and the overwhelming flight of ideas hardly leaves you a moment to type the keys required to express any of your insights...
Now is the time to seek ways to ascend from your depressive state, and brooding about meaning and causes to be passionate about is *not* the way up, but quite possibly down into the abyss.
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