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Posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 12:24:51
OMGOoosh pbabble!
i have never felt this anxious on a cocktail since i was on strattera and prozac! that was the worst!
I thought duplin was suppost to increase antidepressant effect, not increase energy and anxiety! my god, im going OCD!! im getting obsessed with work i have to do and every thing.
Its the Prozac, i think Luvox is going to be my next option.
Prozac worked great for me this summer, i felt normal stabilized, now im just "wham!" anxiety, there alot of things going on in life right now.
prozac! thats whats doing it, or its the duplin.
And plus dulpin is expensive! 56doller for a 30 count.
Ugh please help.
Posted by stargazer2 on December 1, 2007, at 12:44:34
In reply to Duplin and Prozac are killing me, anxiety city!, posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 12:24:51
I doubt if it's the Deplin, I would think it is the Prozac, try reducing it first to see what that does for you. Try 20 mg and see what happens. If you are still anxious you may need to come off it and try something more sedating for you.
Sorry for all of what you are going through, it sounds terrible. I don't think Deplin would give you that reaction.
Stargazer
Posted by Racer on December 1, 2007, at 12:52:27
In reply to Re: Duplin and Prozac are killing me, anxiety city!, posted by stargazer2 on December 1, 2007, at 12:44:34
My guess, frankly, is that a lot of this reaction is psychological, rather than a direct effect of the medications.
Based on your posts, I don't think the Prozac is a great choice for you. First of all, I think you probably need a mood stabilizer, rather than an antidepressant, and I'm surprised your pdoc is not prescribing one for you. If you're not willing to try lithium because of the occasional blood tests, there are other options which could work well for you.
The rest of my advice you've already heard and apparently aren't interested in applying, so I'll save my fingers the work of typing it out again.
Good luck.
Posted by Phillipa on December 1, 2007, at 16:47:40
In reply to I don't think it's the Deplin, either, posted by Racer on December 1, 2007, at 12:52:27
Have to say I agree with Racer. What happened to the theraphy? Phillipa
Posted by bleauberry on December 1, 2007, at 18:23:43
In reply to Duplin and Prozac are killing me, anxiety city!, posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 12:24:51
Seems like things got out of control with addition of the new supplement. Might want to take time away from that and restabilize. Synergistic action of prozac + D, or a bipolar tendency sparked by the combo...one of those things probably happened. Nervousness, anxiety and akathisia are not uncommon with prozac, especially when given a trigger like a new supplement. The whole time I was on prozac I was borderline hyperthyroid. Now off it a year I am low normal thyroid. The fluoride in prozac affects your thyroid gland which is good for some and not good for others.
It is not uncommon for people with underlying bipolar tendencies to sense it or suspect and yet deny it or shrug it off. Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference between anxiety, akathisia, and a mixed state of mania. Just a thought, but depakote of lithium, even in small doses, might be good longterm additions if you even remotely suspect bipolar. To go the natural less pharmaceutical way, and sometimes actually fixing the problem instead of just treating it, consider taurine and or magnesium supplements.
For immediate relief...
Call the doctor and ask him to call in a prescription on the phone to your pharmacy for a few days worth of xanax, klonopin, or zyprexa. That will crush the anxiety in its tracks immediately. Or you could go to the emergency room and request the same thing. Both of those strategies have worked for me. There is fast relief at the health food store too. A tincture of passionflower herb has brought me from raging anxiety to relative calm in about an hour several times. It doesn't last but a few hours, but still, in an emergency it is there. GABA works for some people. I used it several times and it did indeed calm things down real fast, despite debates that it doesn't cross the brain barrier (most of those tests were on rats, which have a much more permeable brain barrier than humans). Now Foods brand makes a supplement with glycine, gaba, and magnesium...all rapidly calming natural bodily substances.Zyprexa goes well with prozac for depression and bipolar and will knock out anxiety immediately. 1.25mg to start (half a tab), maybe up to 2.5mg, maybe later up to 5mg. It will also boost dopamine and norepinephrine function, despite partially blocking dopamine receptors.
Just things to consider. You gotta knock out that anxiety fast. It is not only horridly uncomfortable, but devastating to your adrenal glands, immune system, and brain chemistry, setting you up for worse problems. Kick in the butt right now.
Posted by jrbecker76 on December 1, 2007, at 19:28:56
In reply to Duplin and Prozac are killing me, anxiety city!, posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 12:24:51
> OMGOoosh pbabble!
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> i have never felt this anxious on a cocktail since i was on strattera and prozac! that was the worst!
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> I thought duplin was suppost to increase antidepressant effect, not increase energy and anxiety! my god, im going OCD!! im getting obsessed with work i have to do and every thing.
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> Its the Prozac, i think Luvox is going to be my next option.
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> Prozac worked great for me this summer, i felt normal stabilized, now im just "wham!" anxiety, there alot of things going on in life right now.
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> prozac! thats whats doing it, or its the duplin.
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> And plus dulpin is expensive! 56doller for a 30 count.
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> Ugh please help.I had a different, but equally adverse experience
see my post...
http://www.large-group.org/babble/20071027/msgs/791764.html
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on December 1, 2007, at 20:41:26
In reply to Duplin and Prozac are killing me, anxiety city!, posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 12:24:51
Fan, you seem to be having similar reactions to many meds and such I have taken in the past. One was the closely related Folic Acid. It seriously drove me CRAZY. The anxiety was unbelievable, like I wanted to jump out of my skin. I have now read that even small doses of many of the B vitamins and their like actually have some pretty major psychiatric side-effects. So, it wouldn't in the least bit surprise me the Deplin would be implicated in anxiety. It's related Folic Acid was probably worse on my anxiety then even the start-up anxiety of any anti-depressant I ever took.
I have been on Prozac for 5 years now. I have actually found Prozac the best SSRI for my anxiety.(I've tried every other single one.) The other SSRI's drove my anxiety nuts. Interesting that some of the other SSRI's are much more potent norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors then Prozac.(Like Paxil...the strongest NRI of SSRI's... is an even stronger NRI then desiprimine, yet it was marketed for anxiety.)
I agree a mood stabilizer may be in order, in particular Depakote. It is the one that seems to serve best those with anxiety as a component of their mood swings. (And the 'soft-bipolar..bp2, bp3, etc.) Lithium seems to work for more of the text-book classic definitive bp1, mania being the main component. (Driving fast cars; playing the stock market carelessly..spending money endlessly..etc.) I have also found Topomax to be great for 'mixed states'. It seems to help keep the Prozac in check. I'd also recommend Risperdal and/or Zyprexa for excellent rock-solid mood stabilization. This combination literally kills the dysphoria, the restless anxiety, the insomnia, the 'zone' I 'space' out into when unmedicated. It also has rid of those 'bad' thoughts, which I am sure you all know of. Oh ya, and I also take 2-4 mg of clonazepam a day as needed.
I ran out of my above 'cocktail' for 2 months just recently, and partly wanted to see what I was like off meds. HORRIBLE! Absolutely hell'ish and dangerous. Never, ever again. I get the most out of myself, and life, on my meds...meaning stability. Not perfection...but good. One last thing I am going to try...my Mom has been taking Provigil and has lost a fair bit of weight on it. That's what I am going to try next.
Matt...don't give up...it's tricky, but there is a combo out there for you. You've got to talk to your doctor, or get a new one, though.
Best,
Jay
Posted by Maxime on December 1, 2007, at 21:13:45
In reply to Duplin and Prozac are killing me, anxiety city!, posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 12:24:51
You've heard all this before, but you need to get off the Prozac. If you are bipolar, you need to be on a mood stabiliser. Seroquel is good for controlling mania and depression. I can't believe your pdoc hasn't put you on a mood stabiliser yet!
Maxime
Posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 22:19:54
In reply to Re: Duplin and Prozac are killing me, anxiety city!, posted by stargazer2 on December 1, 2007, at 12:44:34
I think im going to luvoz. Prozac is just going nuts on me. I feel im an enectric box randomly operating!
Thanks you for your suggestion.
by the way, i did actually get so obsessed with doing my paper, i got i done! ROFL!!! REJOICING!!
But booing prozac!
your #!fan
Posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 22:27:39
In reply to I don't think it's the Deplin, either, posted by Racer on December 1, 2007, at 12:52:27
Racer, i admit, im a bit leary, but the amount of advice you have given me....and the time you took to type it! long posts. I do apprieate that, and listen, im sorry if i didnt get back with you on a post. Right now im having a OCD attack so i feel that there is no esaping reality with out getting back with people, as in responding.
I got so obsessed with thinking about my paper...i got alot done. But im still a bit leary that its good, its about psychostimuants and why people argue against them, homeopathics. Im going nuts in this paper!
Racer, Lithium, i may consider, i was considering it for a long time....but then i just realized i wouldnt get my little "rushes". You see i think, i lack some kind of stimulation in my brain, i always feel im mentally lethargic, and then get anxious really fast!
I know you feel maybe im saying this, over and over, i was considering lithium, and i appriciate what you told me. Im going in for an appointment in 2 weeks. We will discuss Lithium, and my condition.
But i think its really the Prozac thats causing all this chaos, plus its not suppost to be for Bi polar disorder. But it worked WONDERS over this summer, i was never depressed.
Racer, just keep an eye out for me. Thank you so much for your advice, i know it takes time for you to write it. And its rude to not get a response back to a long post. I apologize.
your!fan
Posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 22:28:42
In reply to Re: I don't think it's the Deplin, either, posted by Phillipa on December 1, 2007, at 16:47:40
therpy is going to come soon, i've got to look for something.
Thanks for responding.
;)
your1fan
Posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 22:41:39
In reply to Re: Duplin and Prozac are killing me, anxiety city!, posted by bleauberry on December 1, 2007, at 18:23:43
This summer was the most best summer i had ever had. The prozac was i thought the cure, i was not depressed one day, and i didnt have much anxiety.
Now since the start of school, well collage, its increased my noradrenaline glands much! im always walking on egg shells. The best anti anxiety med i think for me is Ativan because it lasts 6 hours. Im on Xanax right now but it just doesnt last very long. I've been on Xanax a while and it has helped but not with chaotic thoughts, sometimes i just want to go to my doctor, can i have a some samples of Seroquel? ROFL!
you see i had diffrent symptoms about a year ago, depression was horrible, and i had more bad anxiety, than these thoughts right now.
The prozac today mixed with duplin causes me to be anxious. Walk on eggshells. I cant just stop the duplin, it was expensive!
Im not diagnosing myself but i think i need something maybe for some OCD, but at the same time im having horrible concentration problems. I mean horrible! i had to drop a course because my mind was absent, but im "dripping" with anxiety. So im not concentrating, im just irrtible. But i never act irrtible, only at home...ROFL. I smiling most of the time im out of the house.
You see i have to really worked with my doctor. He's slow, but he has treated me great over the years i've realized. But again sometimes you have more disorders that show up. But for a fact i know i have ADHD with OCD.
Thanks blue
your#1fan
Posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 22:51:14
In reply to Re: Duplin and Prozac are killing me, anxiety city, posted by jrbecker76 on December 1, 2007, at 19:28:56
you and me are very similar exept. Its not helping with my mood at all. Its causing a anxiety reaction, which i think racer maybe said it was psychological.
I think its both, but every (this is third day) i still dont feel much diffrence, maybe i would feel the same effect if i took alot of folic acid, or vitamen B's
Thanks;)
Your#fan
Posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 22:59:21
In reply to Hmmm...some points... » your#1fan, posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on December 1, 2007, at 20:41:26
Hey
listen, i think the same effect i would get if i took alot of Vitmen B's. I get the same effect from Deplin, and im pissed because i thought it would make my mood better, its not its worse, and im anxious as hell. Prozac, well i didnt know that about Paxil..... i though paxil was sedating.... im sure glad i didnt take strattera with paxil or i would of have an IV of Nembutal at the hospital ROFL! too much adrenalic action. It doesnt help with ADHD. It causes it to worsen, dopamine and norepheniphrine are what helps ADHD, in the right parts of the brain.
Im already on Zyprexa, and you know i've taken larger doses. But it zones me out. Like 10mg...omg i had no anxiety, but no emotion.
Alrighty.....thanks.
Your#1fan
Posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 23:08:58
In reply to Re: Duplin and Prozac are killing me, anxiety city! » your#1fan, posted by Maxime on December 1, 2007, at 21:13:45
hey whats going on....!
doing ok? well im not right now. You know like you said before, prozac is not good for Bi polar patients, well let me tell you, it worked WONDERS this summer, i was feeling good and everything. I dont know what happened, maybe i got tired or toleranced to it. Now its like what happened to the effect of prozac..... did it go away?
And this duplin crap...im so mad. I would get the same effect if i took alot of Vitamen B's. Its expensive! im telling you 56 US doller for a bottle of 30.
Im going to ask for some samples for seroquel. I have had enough with this though racing crap.
Thank you for responding!
Im just dont know if im going to sleep or not...
Xanax i was put on a year ago because of panic attacks, well times changed, and now its more OCD, mania kind of. But i have always had trouble with ADHD, it litterly has my life on chains, i lose keys, forget, im not absorbing what im reading...., absent minded, alot of my friends make fun of because im so "out", like "what are we talking about?"
Well thanks for posting..........and i hope depression is off you. depression has really came over me well, i just have been wanting to go to sleep, i just cant deal with reality.
But i have to deal with it.
But anyways. You take care alright!your#1fan
Posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 23:11:59
In reply to Re: maxime, posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 23:08:58
whew! i responed back to all of yall! i pretty tired now, but i just couldnt believe i responded that quickly.
I would like to thank every person who responded.....to you directly...thank you.
Im mad at prozac and depression. You know they always said that depression was anger inwards?
Is that true?
fan
Posted by rskontos on December 2, 2007, at 13:00:58
In reply to Re: too all who posted, posted by your#1fan on December 1, 2007, at 23:11:59
Your #1 Fan, I have been reading your posts now for a while and I haven't responded before now not because I dont care but because you have gotten loads of good information and I am not a meds expert but one thing that I would like to add before you dx yourself OCD based on focus. I would submit focus is hard for all of us with depression but on the public at large. I don't know what year you are in at college but my daughter is at college, she is a sophomore and is a double major with a minor and taking 18 hours so she had loaded herself up and has no depression at all. (I am glad of that) She has a seizure disorder that is under control right now thank god she is on meds for but she has begun to taper herself off with neuro's blessing. She is doing well in spite of large load. She says she has a hard time focusing. We talked about it because I was complaining about her 15 year old brother. My son has focus issues but not bad enough to see a doctor for. I have thought about it and I think society has made it hard. That isn't to excuse you but to tell you that maybe with all the anxiety in your life you are really being hard to find a answer when it is a complex problem and forcing more pressure on yourself and causing more anxiety.
I think you need to take some deep breathes. Call the doc like was suggested. Maybe your xanux (mspelled) has pooped out, and you need a new emergency med but I really feel you have reached a state that you are causing anxiety due to anxiety. I know that I have panic attacks and GAD and I understand how it all works. Mine is under control for now but the triggers lurk everywhere. So if you are bi-polar or ADHD or OCD is really isn't important to the state of your current anxiety for now and that is where you need to deal with to get it reduced to a level where you can function and then work on your DX and therapy and the next level. OK. I worry about you blowing up your mind in the figurative as you seem to reaching a level of anxiety that is hard on your system. So please take care of yourself. You have to do this for yourself. Take care, slow down for a second and relax, reduce your stress and anxiety so you can calm yourself.......you are going be ok. You are a good person with loads of anxiety and I am sorry your friends don't take this serious but don't mind what anyone else thinks just take it easy, baby steps and give that doc or er a call or visit, get some immediate relief and go from there. ok....rk
Posted by your#1fan on December 2, 2007, at 16:40:26
In reply to Re: take easy so you can be ok, posted by rskontos on December 2, 2007, at 13:00:58
thanks i just popped up on psychoabble, i will respond, well try to, because i have a 5 page paper due and im tearing it up! for english. By the way....its about stimulants.
Posted by KayeBaby on December 2, 2007, at 20:41:17
In reply to Re: take easy so you can be ok, posted by your#1fan on December 2, 2007, at 16:40:26
I had major anxiety and some trouble sleeping at first on deplin-may be coincidence but I don't think so as this was unusual for me and started day 1. I went on a much lower dose of it and after a month returned to 7.5 and am doing good. Much more energy, occasionally anxiety but worth it.
My 2 cents.
Kaye
Posted by Phillipa on December 2, 2007, at 22:00:07
In reply to Re: take easy so you can be ok, posted by KayeBaby on December 2, 2007, at 20:41:17
I don't get it if b vitamins are supposed to be good for stress than why does Deplin cause anxiety?Phillipa
Posted by your#1fan on December 3, 2007, at 0:23:53
In reply to Re: take easy so you can be ok, posted by Phillipa on December 2, 2007, at 22:00:07
this stuff is expensive, and you know i dont even know if this, i could have a very similar effect with vitmen B's.
Posted by KayeBaby on December 5, 2007, at 3:00:14
In reply to Re: take easy so you can be ok, posted by Phillipa on December 2, 2007, at 22:00:07
It is an extrodinarily large dose, he may not have it in balance with a B-spectrum supp or no b12. He is likely a high histamine type and that would definately mske him anxious. Also, he simpy may not need this particular supplement.
If it has the power to help it also has the power to harm.
Kaye
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