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Posted by clubfitter on October 29, 2007, at 18:14:00
20 mg lexapro
300 wellbutrin (just 2 weeks...praying for it to work)
400 lamictal as of today
160 Geodon
2mg klonopinMajor Depressive Disorder, SAD, AVPD, etc....
How is this possible? Anybody have good luck with Wellbutrin? Did it work fast, or should it be working a little bit by now? Pdoc mention Treatment Resistant today for the first time and it may be time to consider ECT again.....YIKES!
Posted by Phillipa on October 29, 2007, at 18:51:07
In reply to How can I feel this bad when Im on...., posted by clubfitter on October 29, 2007, at 18:14:00
So you have had ECT before and did it help. Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on October 29, 2007, at 19:00:04
In reply to How can I feel this bad when Im on...., posted by clubfitter on October 29, 2007, at 18:14:00
I am sure the Wellbutrin will work soon now that the dosage has been increased. The first sign is that you feel like you have more energy.
Do you find the lamictal helps at all? I took it and it actually made me more depression.
I know it's hard, but you need to give the Wellbutrin time to work.
Take care.
Maxime
> 20 mg lexapro
> 300 wellbutrin (just 2 weeks...praying for it to work)
> 400 lamictal as of today
> 160 Geodon
> 2mg klonopin
>
> Major Depressive Disorder, SAD, AVPD, etc....
>
> How is this possible? Anybody have good luck with Wellbutrin? Did it work fast, or should it be working a little bit by now? Pdoc mention Treatment Resistant today for the first time and it may be time to consider ECT again.....YIKES!
Posted by King of Nothing on October 29, 2007, at 19:08:27
In reply to How can I feel this bad when Im on...., posted by clubfitter on October 29, 2007, at 18:14:00
> 20 mg lexapro
> 300 wellbutrin (just 2 weeks...praying for it to work)
> 400 lamictal as of today
> 160 Geodon
> 2mg klonopin
>
> Major Depressive Disorder, SAD, AVPD, etc....
>
> How is this possible? Anybody have good luck with Wellbutrin? Did it work fast, or should it be working a little bit by now? Pdoc mention Treatment Resistant today for the first time and it may be time to consider ECT again.....YIKES!Give it at least 4-6 weeks, and i would also increase the Lexapro. Best of Luck!
Posted by clubfitter on October 29, 2007, at 19:20:51
In reply to Re: How can I feel this bad when Im on...., posted by King of Nothing on October 29, 2007, at 19:08:27
never actually had ECT, just had discussions about it...
Posted by bleauberry on October 29, 2007, at 20:34:13
In reply to How can I feel this bad when Im on...., posted by clubfitter on October 29, 2007, at 18:14:00
You are missing something. Something probably very simple and basic actually. Sadly, not something our docs are interested in.
Could be something as simple as gluten intolerance; the need for magnesium taurate; excess calcium; sensitive to normal or high levels of toxic metals (copper, mercury, lead); leaky gut (not enough good guy bacteria in the gut). As powerful as the drugs are, they cannot overcome basic biochemistry deficiencies. They can actually make them worse, by further worsening the true underlying cause.
Might want to keep taking your meds for now, but instead of searching the web for the perfect drug which is a tease that rarely rewards, search sites for the things listed above.
Me...except for parnate and nardil, I've been on every drug you can name. I have also done ECT. It helped only for 2 days. The theory I was told was that it restored the proper balance of magnesium to calcium (magnesium way too low in American eating habits and gut issues), but since my diet didn't change the ECT couldn't hold. With gut issues (poor absorption due to candida and leaky gut due to heavy metals and poor diet and psych drugs) I couldn't even absorb the right stuff. Though still in the so-called "normal" range (no amount of lead or mercury is normal), my provoked challenge urine test showed a 50% increase in mercury excretion and a 500% increase in lead excretion.
But you know where I got decent improvement? Taking probiotics in heavy doses, digestive enzymes, and through trial and error specific minerals rather than a broad based vitamin supplement, in addition to a gluten free low sugar low dairy diet. But the best improvement came with...DMSA. It is a sulfur drug used to chelate mercury and lead out of you. I feel the best antidepresant effect I've ever experienced when I am on a round of it. It blows the psych meds off the planet. I find 5htp in low dose helpful on ocassion, but I don't take it regularly.
Why do these things work? I do not have a handle on it, nobody does, but they are fixing whatever is truly wrong with me. The psych drugs and ECT were so far off base.
Someone else here with a similar story as yours and mine ultimately healed depression when an unknown sleep apnea condition was identified and treated. For another, it was simply low testosterone.
Where to start? Diet is crucial. It has to be better than good. Rarely eat any prepared or refined foods. If you crave foods that aren't good for you, that in itself is a clear indication something is wrong. Addiction to food like that is diagnostic of particular things, such as candida, food intolerances, and gross deficiencies. You don't crave them just because your test buds love them. Pure filtered water, lots of it. Magnesium taurate. Zinc. B6. Chromium nicotinate. High dose Vitamin E. Cod liver oil for natural highly absorbable vitamin A and omega 3. Flax oil. Borage oil. Sea salt instead of table salt. Possibly boron, though not often talked about. Molybdenum is good when there is a known intolerance or allergy. Try simple food tests...eat a whole clove of garlic and see what you feel. Eat a whole spoonful of cayenne pepper and see how you feel. Cayenne has been known to wake heart attack victims from what looked like death. How about high dose borage oil for a week or two. Hey, if a simple food can make you feel a lot better real fast, you know darn well the psych drugs are off base and something else is wrong. After research, choose a few well chosen lab tests to look at something you might suspect.
I wouldn't say this to everyone. Or maybe I would. But for sure, I say it to people like you and me who have tried all the psych stuff with little or no response. That is a clear, very clear, indication that something else is going on. Pure logic if nothing else.
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