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Posted by Phillipa on September 17, 2007, at 21:49:29
I'm serious does anyone sleep really well like the ideal for them? And how many hours is it and is it without meds? Curious as I used to be such a good sleeper and woke refreshed each day. Phillipa
Posted by linkadge on September 17, 2007, at 22:08:06
In reply to Seriously Does Anyone Sleep Really Well????, posted by Phillipa on September 17, 2007, at 21:49:29
I have had years where I had literally no sleep problems ie 9 hours a night, refreshed etc.
Not that good now, but hope to return.
Linkadge
Posted by rskontos on September 17, 2007, at 22:35:26
In reply to Seriously Does Anyone Sleep Really Well????, posted by Phillipa on September 17, 2007, at 21:49:29
Phillipa, I can honestly say that even with all my other weird problems sleep is the one thing I haven't problems with. I though use sleep to escape. Weird huh. I have this weird zone out thing, anxiety out the zing zang, and yet I can lay down and usually be asleep in 5 maybe 10 minutes top. Like now, I could go asleep with 5 minutes of laying down and I would sleep for 9 hours left alone. I do take magnesium and b-12 which are suppose to help with calming the central nervous system. I think they must. Now awake I am not calm. But I can sleep. I guess we are all different and we handle anxiety different and depression.
This weekend I gave myself permission and slept until 10. That is rare as I think I must get up early and get busy. So yes there are some of us that are messed up and sleep. But then all though my messed up childhood I used sleep to escape so maybe I still see it as salvation. Who knows I dont. I wish I could impart this on you as a gift. So a good night sleep doesn't help with anixety though that I do know and I don't feel any better in the morning and I am still tired after 9 hours. Go figure.
Posted by sam123 on September 18, 2007, at 2:49:30
In reply to Seriously Does Anyone Sleep Really Well????, posted by Phillipa on September 17, 2007, at 21:49:29
I do. 6 mgs Lunesta does the trick, 6 mgs works as well today as it did 3 years ago.
Posted by bleauberry on September 18, 2007, at 3:24:59
In reply to Seriously Does Anyone Sleep Really Well????, posted by Phillipa on September 17, 2007, at 21:49:29
5htp has given me very good sleep. Lots of dreaming, but deep sleep. Started at 10mg in the evening, worked up to 25mg. Have to open capsules to do it that way.
Also sleep extremely well when Candida is acting up. That's due to the way its toxins affect the opiate receptors. Of course, feel like crap too. Candida is bad news and highly underdiagnosed. Anyone with a past history of silver fillings is highly likely to have candida issues.
Removal of silver fillings is a good start. It takes at least 2 years to see improvement, that is, without chelation. And without chelation, you will never be cured. The mercury is staying in your brain, adrenal, thyroid, hypothalamus, and pituitary for decades. Do not detox without reading Amalgam Illness.
A great energy booster without hyperness is Maca root. It stimulates the entire endocrine system, all the glands. Take a super low dose though. It builds up and it doesn't take much. If the bottle says 1 to 4 caps per day, try just one fourth of a cap.
Whatever the fatigue and crappiness is, it is whatever you have not looked at.
Posted by tecknohed on September 18, 2007, at 6:55:43
In reply to Re: Seriously Does Anyone Sleep Really Well????, posted by bleauberry on September 18, 2007, at 3:24:59
>...Anyone with a past history of silver fillings is highly likely to have candida issues.
> Removal of silver fillings is a good start. It takes at least 2 years to see improvement, that is, without chelation. And without chelation, you will never be cured. The mercury is staying in your brain, adrenal, thyroid, hypothalamus, and pituitary for decades. Do not detox without reading Amalgam Illness.Thanks for the above mention of the book Amalgam Illness bleauberry. I'm finding it fascinating.
Anyone interested can read the whole book here:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZG9glNfif5YC&dq=&pg=PP1&ots=14D4OsVjP0&sig=KEOpRTeI5LmkpMbk2Am_xZOFKlQ&prev=http://www.google.co.uk/search%3Fsourceid%3Dmozclient%26ie%3Dutf-8%26oe%3Dutf-8%26q%3DAmalgam%2BIllness&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title#PPP1,M1
Posted by tecknohed on September 18, 2007, at 7:00:04
In reply to Re: Seriously Does Anyone Sleep Really Well???? » bleauberry, posted by tecknohed on September 18, 2007, at 6:55:43
Sorry, SOME of the books pages (not the whole book) can be read at the link I posted.
Posted by Falstaff on September 20, 2007, at 7:14:37
In reply to Seriously Does Anyone Sleep Really Well????, posted by Phillipa on September 17, 2007, at 21:49:29
Wow, good question. I have always had trouble with sleep. There was a good two month period about six months ago when I first stopped drinking. I was taking something like 100mg Seroquel/night and I slept through, about nine hours. Felt good until about 2:00 the next day (but I also take Provigil). Now I'm mostly down to 25mg Seroquel/night - hope to get off it completely. I've been waking up every hour-and-a-half. So this is not working for me.
What have you tried? What is your goal? Are you Bipolar (I just ask b/c I am and I know how important sleep is for BP's). I sure would like to sleep through the night again.
Posted by Phillipa on September 20, 2007, at 19:24:51
In reply to Re: Seriously Does Anyone Sleep Really Well???? » Phillipa, posted by Falstaff on September 20, 2007, at 7:14:37
Who knows as benzos for 35 years for sleep and anxiety. I was one of those in the 70's with panic attacks. Diagnosed with anxiety disorder then PTSD. So who knows. But I do know that I was sleeping good and then last night the d*mm dog next door started barking and no more sleep. About four hours last night. Exhausted today. Never have done well on less than l0 hours all my life. Phillipa ps we'll all be bipolar soon. Just my warped sense of humor to level out fatigue at this point.
Posted by curiousfish on September 23, 2007, at 16:17:17
In reply to Re: Seriously Does Anyone Sleep Really Well???? » bleauberry, posted by tecknohed on September 18, 2007, at 6:55:43
i kind of think being on long term med combos kind of destroys our natural sleep cycles. i am finally sleeping after the addition of geodon.. although im starting to have trouble again. i slept much better before lamictal >__<
Posted by blueboy on September 28, 2007, at 10:10:16
In reply to Re: Seriously Does Anyone Sleep Really Well????, posted by curiousfish on September 23, 2007, at 16:17:17
If you mean long-term drugs *permanently* hurt our sleep cycles, that isn't my experience. I was on Nardil for 3 years with constant bad insomnia. When I stopped taking it, my sleep eventually got back to normal, 7 1/2 to 8 hours.
Of course, I had had periodic insomnia problems all my life due to GAD. And when my depression hits, I'm likely to sleep in the daytime, but I still sleep like 12 to 7.30 or 8.00 every night.
I think, to some degree -- in fact, there is research that says this -- we lose our ability to sleep as we get older. We can't sleep as long but we need to sleep more often. It's like our batteries can't take as big a charge so they need to be charged more often.
> i kind of think being on long term med combos kind of destroys our natural sleep cycles.
Posted by rskontos on September 29, 2007, at 13:06:14
In reply to Re: Seriously Does Anyone Sleep Really Well???? » curiousfish, posted by blueboy on September 28, 2007, at 10:10:16
And they say men have the worst problem with sleep issues than women. I don't know if there is actually research regarding this but I know in practice from women and men friends as we are all ageing and from the generation ahead of me that the husbands sleep less and roam more at night than they did decades earlier. This is not scientific research just what people report in social settings. I know from my own household and my mother-in-law that my own husband who turns 50 on his next birthday is already having this issue, and his father in turn says he has a difficult time sleeping. Neither have an issue with depression just sleep issues, they associate with getting older. Neither will try any meds for it either. They both can fall asleep but wait up and cant go back to sleep. I think the batter analogy is a good one.
Posted by Phillipa on September 29, 2007, at 21:00:19
In reply to Re: Seriously Does Anyone Sleep Really Well????, posted by rskontos on September 29, 2007, at 13:06:14
Does he snore? If so could be sleep aphnea? Phillipa
Posted by mqduck on October 7, 2007, at 10:53:03
In reply to Seriously Does Anyone Sleep Really Well????, posted by Phillipa on September 17, 2007, at 21:49:29
Trazodone. Wonderful, wonderful Trazodone. That's all I have to say.
Posted by simcha on October 7, 2007, at 12:48:39
In reply to Re: Seriously Does Anyone Sleep Really Well????, posted by mqduck on October 7, 2007, at 10:53:03
I've always had some form of insomnia. When I was a little boy I would stare at my ceiling while in bed for over an hour or two every night trying to fall asleep. I would have difficulty waking in the morning and I mostly had nightmares when I slept.
In high school it was more of the same.
By the time I got to college every year I had at least 3 or 4 nights (not in a row) where I couldn't sleep at all.
Once I entered therapy and started to deal with the content of my nightmares and the possible reasons they were there I started to sleep better.
Along with all of this I've had restless legs and teeth grinding ever since I can remember. When I was a kid I would wake up to find my pillows on the other side of the room because I had kicked them.
Even after years of therapy, I still had sleep issues. When I was initially put on meds, it helped somewhat. Once the first pdoc prescribed Klonopin for the RLS and bruxism I slept much better. Also I worked on sleep hygiene and did meditation, breathing exercises, and self-hypnosis before bed.
Then a very wise (note sarcasm) pdoc decided that the Klonopin that was working so beautifully for my sleep issues was not a good thing, he switched me to Neurontin for the past 5 years. I've had varying success with it. My general practitioner prescribed ambien (both the regular and CR) during this period so I could take it when things got really bad.
A month or so ago, my pdoc decided to put me back on Klonopin for RLS because our 5 year experiment didn't work. Now things are better again in the sleep department.
I still have sleep difficulties. I'll still need extra sleep meds to take on the bad nights, it seems. My Dad and most of my relatives have had sleep issues too so I think it's genetic. I'm one of the only ones who has sought assistance and hence, I sleep better than most of my family and hopefully will be healthier and happier.
I need about 8 hours of sleep per night. I can function on 7. 6 is minimum. Anything less than that and I'm a zombie the next day.
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