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Posted by KayeBaby on July 6, 2007, at 8:05:36
I have not tried any but would like to try them someday.
Piracetam I think is the 'original' and best known
I believe I heard good things about pramiracetam (sp?)I got the impression that this one was more energizing.
Anyone have any first hand accounts they would like to share??
I appreciate it!
Kaye
Posted by steel on July 6, 2007, at 9:56:35
In reply to 'racetams-anyone tried these? benefits?, posted by KayeBaby on July 6, 2007, at 8:05:36
> I have not tried any but would like to try them someday.
>
> Piracetam I think is the 'original' and best known
>
> I believe I heard good things about pramiracetam (sp?)I got the impression that this one was more energizing.
>
> Anyone have any first hand accounts they would like to share??
>
> I appreciate it!
> KayeGo to google groups,SMART DRUGS,limit your search there,and youll get a abundance of info,the drugs u speak of are what u call SMART DRUGS and used also for cognitive purposes.
Posted by alohashirt on July 6, 2007, at 10:04:38
In reply to 'racetams-anyone tried these? benefits?, posted by KayeBaby on July 6, 2007, at 8:05:36
I tried all of the following:
pramiracetam
nefiracetam
oxiracetam
piracetam
anracetamThey had zero impact on cognitive performance. My conclusion is that they are overhyped placebos. I couldn't find any believable research results and I think my pdoc is right, I should stick with Concerta or Focalin supplemented with fish oil
Posted by steel on July 6, 2007, at 21:55:42
In reply to Re: 'racetams-anyone tried these? benefits?, posted by alohashirt on July 6, 2007, at 10:04:38
> I tried all of the following:
>
> pramiracetam
> nefiracetam
> oxiracetam
> piracetam
> anracetam
>
> They had zero impact on cognitive performance. My conclusion is that they are overhyped placebos. I couldn't find any believable research results and I think my pdoc is right, I should stick with Concerta or Focalin supplemented with fish oilProb true,but there are people who swear by them,smart drugs like the above,and hydergine etc have been around a while and pretty popular,personaly i dont like them,but some seem to love em.Usualy the supplier means a lot,teamlife research is a website that offers these supplmental legal substances.
Posted by Sigismund on July 7, 2007, at 21:25:42
In reply to Re: 'racetams-anyone tried these? benefits?, posted by steel on July 6, 2007, at 21:55:42
I think they work, but I just don't like the effect of them (Piracetam or Aniracetam) at all.
And centrophenoxine was even worse.
I just don't like anything that mucks around with acetylcholine/muscarine.OTOH I have always liked Hydergine, deprenyl, rhodiola and ashwaganda, and feel neutral about vinpocetine.
Posted by KayeBaby on July 7, 2007, at 23:02:27
In reply to Re: 'racetams-anyone tried these? benefits?, posted by Sigismund on July 7, 2007, at 21:25:42
> I think they work, but I just don't like the effect of them (Piracetam or Aniracetam) at all.
> And centrophenoxine was even worse.
> I just don't like anything that mucks around with acetylcholine/muscarine.
>
> OTOH I have always liked Hydergine, deprenyl, rhodiola and ashwaganda, and feel neutral about vinpocetine.
I like those same ones so maybe I will not like the 'racetams either.Thanks for all the info P. Babblers
Kaye
Posted by revaaron on July 13, 2007, at 13:13:04
In reply to Re: 'racetams-anyone tried these? benefits?, posted by Sigismund on July 7, 2007, at 21:25:42
> OTOH I have always liked Hydergine, deprenyl,
> rhodiola and ashwaganda, and feel neutral about
> vinpocetine.What do you like about the Ashwaganda? It's hard to find much information about its subjective effects. I know it's an adaptogen, but that's about all the information most herb peddlers and even a good number of folks who supplement with ashwaganda say. But what does it *do*? How does it make you feel? What happens on an acute dosage, or with regular use of a normal dose?
I was thinking of trying hyderigine- any good info you feel like sharing?
Aaron
Posted by revaaron on July 13, 2007, at 13:30:34
In reply to 'racetams-anyone tried these? benefits?, posted by KayeBaby on July 6, 2007, at 8:05:36
Kaye-
I've started on Piracetam. I also have some Aniracetam, which also is supposed to have more of an energizing effect. I've been taking 2400mg for about a week of the Piracetam and haven't seen too much yet. I don't feel any more energized or stimulated, which isn't the point but a lot of people report it. I tried one regular dose of Aniracetam but didn't notice anything different than the Piracetam, though it was a pretty low dose of the Aniracetam.
I've noticed some effects from the Piracetam, but it's hard to know if its placebo. I've not had anything that really crops up in social interactions or mood, but I've had a noticable boost in the ability to process and compute more complicated problems. AD/HD wise, it doesn't help at all with staying on task, focus, motivation or attentiveness, but what I get out of it is that when my attention is engaged on something I work deeper. In a way I work faster, but that's a side effect of what I feel the primary effect to be.
It's hard to describe, so I'll try with an example. I'm a computer programmer. One of my tasks is writing scripts to generate reports from our database. For most companies that isn't too big of a deal, but we have a really weird database structure where everything is stored in these elaborate trees. I often have to mentally work really hard after a certain point of complexity to bring up the right kind of data, the loops to take out the data I need, etc. I oftentimes have to create these scripts very iteratively, trial and error, lots of looking at what is in the database etc. It's often mentally exhausting, though pretty rewarding and fun.
The last few of days I've been doing a lot more of this, because we had release yesterday. I was able to churn out a few of these scripts in a 1/4 to 1/2 of the time it would've taken otherwise. It isn't that I'm working and processing faster, but I can keep track of the tree of data that I'm trying to visualize and rearrange in my head, and keep it all straight. To contrast, dextroamphetamine doesn't especially help with providing this effect in me, but they are very complimentary. I don't rule out placebo, and I assumed it was doing nothing until Weds and Thurs when I was whipping through these scripts quite quickly.
Outside of programming projects, I've not seen much. I think that the effects of the 'racetams could be very easily overlooked depending on what kind of work/hobbies you do. It's not like a stim where there are many noticable in your face effects.
I think a better test would be to see if I lose this ability when Piracetam has stopped. After a month I'll figure out how much I've seen in the way of effects- if it's obvious, I'll continue, but if it's not I'm going to try a single-blind stoppage. Have give me a pill that will contain sugar or Piracetam at a random date, and maintain that for 2 weeks, all the while watching for differences. This isn't like a real RCT but it's as good as I'll get.
The research around the 'racetams isn't quite as crappy as Sigs suggests. There has been a fair amount of good research that supports their usefulness, ruling out placebo in at least some people.
A great place to talk about the 'racetams and similar substances is imminst.org. Relatively scientific and level headed folks, not quite like reading reports on Erowid. :)
I'm pretty interested about Nefiracetam but none of my regular sources carry it.
Aaron
Posted by revaaron on July 13, 2007, at 13:32:22
In reply to 'racetams-anyone tried these? benefits?, posted by KayeBaby on July 6, 2007, at 8:05:36
Also- if you have a hard time finding some or don't want to buy a bunch of it, Babblemail me. I could send you some of either or both Aniracetam or Piracetam. Because you rule!
BTW, I buy mine at bulknutrition.com which is awesome for bulk stuff, way cheaper than pre-capped stuff!
Posted by revaaron on July 13, 2007, at 13:33:27
In reply to Re: 'racetams-anyone tried these? benefits?, posted by alohashirt on July 6, 2007, at 10:04:38
Aloha- where did you find the nefiracetam? Do you have any left you'd be willing to sell me?
Posted by Sigismund on July 14, 2007, at 0:37:20
In reply to Re: 'racetams-anyone tried these? benefits? » Sigismund, posted by revaaron on July 13, 2007, at 13:13:04
What I like about withania/ashwaganda is that it makes me feel less debilitated and somewhat stronger.
What I don't like is that it disturbs my already poor sleep.
It certainly does something.Hydergine is like an AD for me.
Though it disturbs my sleep too.
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