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Posted by BabyBunny on June 24, 2007, at 12:34:48
Hello. I myself don't think I have ADHD but I happened to find this link on the Net. I thought that those of you who have ADHD or have kids with it might find it interesting.
Also I found it interesting in general as I do believe it's very possible that there may be some "bogus" psychiatric disorders out there. I won't mention which ones as I don't wanna be a bad guy but I thought that some of you may find this interesting.
Please note I am not saying I agree with anything said here. But I can say I believe it's possible and it isn't the 1st time I have heard of this and things similar.
http://downloads.truthpublishing.com/LivewithFredBaughman.pdf
Posted by F00TBALL on June 24, 2007, at 12:42:58
In reply to Is ADHD a Hoax? This Doctor Says So. Read On..., posted by BabyBunny on June 24, 2007, at 12:34:48
My best friend has ADHD. It may be over-diagnosed, but I am certain it is real.
Posted by BabyBunny on June 24, 2007, at 12:53:21
In reply to Re: Is ADHD a Hoax? This Doctor Says So. Read On.., posted by F00TBALL on June 24, 2007, at 12:42:58
Aww I'm sorry to hear that. :( I have family and friends with it as well. Although I do think this Doctor makes a good point and I do believe Pharmaceutical companies are involved in the "updating" of the DSM. I truly do. Especially since working in a Doctor's Office... Let's just say Doctor's get SO MANY perks from Pharmaceutical Companies. I find it shocking.
And yes I have family and friends who are both Pharmaceutical Reps and also a cousin who creates these meds and runs the studies and such (he's literally a genius.)
I just think that Pharmaceutical companies might have some control over our Diagnoses. Notice I say MIGHT. I don't know for sure but I sure have seen a lot to make me believe what the Doctor in this article has said.
Thanks for your response! And I hope you and your friend are well and healing regardless of whether it's through medication or not. :) I also take meds and feel my Xanax is a life saver!
Take care and have a great day!
Hugs,
Baby Bunny
> My best friend has ADHD. It may be over-diagnosed, but I am certain it is real.
Posted by Phillipa on June 24, 2007, at 13:03:49
In reply to Re: Is ADHD a Hoax? This Doctor Says So. Read On.. » F00TBALL, posted by BabyBunny on June 24, 2007, at 12:53:21
I took a test on another site for anxiety and one for ADHD. It seemed that there was a lot of overlapping symtoms. I came out positive for ADHD and I've never been diagnosed with it was was like that as a child. So I really don't know. Love Phillipa ps BB how are you doing?
Posted by BabyBunny on June 24, 2007, at 13:23:21
In reply to Re: Is ADHD a Hoax? This Doctor Says So. Read On.. » BabyBunny, posted by Phillipa on June 24, 2007, at 13:03:49
Hi Phillipa. How are you? Well, I hope. :)
I'm ok. Going off Depakote and having all the side effects I experienced when going on it so I'm pretty out of it to be honest. And it's weird cuz I was ok and then it just hits... then I'm ok and it hits again. Been doing that for a few days now. But other than that I'm actually getting better the further away I get from the Depakote.
Yes I've been tested for ADHD too but they always say i have Generalized Anxiety, Panic Disorder, OCD, OC Pers. Disorder (there's a difference between the 2), Social Anxiety Disorder, and Anxious Avoidant Anxiety Disorder. And I believe it because I have BAD anxiety. And it's getting worse. :( Even before going off the Depakote. But going off has made it spike. Oh well I'm STILL better overall and have a better attitude. I'm more "me."
Anyway I hope and pray you feel better and better and that you're having a good weekend. Take good care!
Hugs,
Baby Bunny
> I took a test on another site for anxiety and one for ADHD. It seemed that there was a lot of overlapping symtoms. I came out positive for ADHD and I've never been diagnosed with it was was like that as a child. So I really don't know. Love Phillipa ps BB how are you doing?
Posted by SSJW on June 24, 2007, at 14:10:49
In reply to Re: Is ADHD a Hoax? This Doctor Says So. Read On.. » BabyBunny, posted by Phillipa on June 24, 2007, at 13:03:49
Hi there,
Dr. Amen is the pioneer of this research. Although his work is not peer reviewed, it's hard to argue with the abnormal blood flow patterns shown on these scans in ADD patients [IMO]. When an individual shows clinical improvement with treatment their blood flow patterns normalize. His book "Healing ADD" discusses 6 types of ADD (blood flow abnormalities in one [or more] of six distinct brain regions) and the symptoms that tend to present with each type. Also listed are the types of medications, and also non medication treatment strategies for each type.
-Steve
Posted by saturn on June 24, 2007, at 14:35:25
In reply to Is ADHD a Hoax? This Doctor Says So. Read On..., posted by BabyBunny on June 24, 2007, at 12:34:48
I agree that much of medicine, particularly psychiatry, is to a significant degree in the pockets of pharmaceutical companies. I also believe that ADHD is a very convenient and possibly overdiagnosed diagnosis. At the same time I am confident that ADHD is a legitimate diagnosis because there is no doubt in my mind that I have ADHD.
I also give credence to Dr. Baughman's linkage between stimulants and cardiovascular diseases, including stroke. This is because I've personally had cardiovascular problems with them. I also have a friend who has not had any problems on stimulants.
I also find most troubling the mere mention of "mental health screening". Big brother at its worse I suspect.
Peace and health...Saturn
Posted by linkadge on June 24, 2007, at 17:12:12
In reply to Re: Is ADHD a Hoax? This Doctor Says So. Read On..., posted by saturn on June 24, 2007, at 14:35:25
To say ADHD is a hoax is nonsensicle. Are you refering to the scientific basis by which it is treated with medications?
Of course, nobody knows for certain, the exact underlying biochemical abnormalities in ADHD. So the assertion that the meds are curing an illness is a hoax. But the condition exists, and the meds can provide symptomatic improvement.
Linkadge
Posted by zeugma on June 26, 2007, at 4:58:41
In reply to Re: Is ADHD a Hoax? This Doctor Says So. Read On..., posted by linkadge on June 24, 2007, at 17:12:12
The problem with pharma companies is that they have products to sell. But the problem with anti-pharm doctors is they also have something to sell. For example, that interviewer (who gave Dr. Baughman as credulous an audience as he's ever going to get, agreeing readily with every statement Dr. Baughman made) asserts in his bio that he never uses prescription meds. So the interview was definitely a matter of 'preaching to the choir.'
-z
Posted by BabyBunny on June 26, 2007, at 9:17:34
In reply to Re: Is ADHD a Hoax? This Doctor Says So. Read On..., posted by zeugma on June 26, 2007, at 4:58:41
Good point. And I too noticed that BUT I found this article to be interesting. Not because of ADHD actually, because if what that Doctor is saying is even half-way true (which I can imagine could be reality) then that's just scary and wrong.
I don't know if Psychiatrists actually "make-up" disorders as that seems kind of over-the-top, but I can see the Pharmaceutical Companies being VERY involved in these decisions.
I just don't trust Pharmaceutical Companies. I really don't. I mean as a whole. I believe there are ones that are more ethical than others, but I still think they're all not exactly the most honest of businesses. But then again this could be said about almost any field.
I believe the FDA is wrong in letting these "Clinical Studies" be conducted the way the Pharm Co. wants and for only 9 weeks or so. 9 weeks? Jeez some SSRI's take 8 weeks to even really work! To me THAT is the scary part.
I have heard so many people say we are guinea pigs (a term which I can't stand because I like those little guys) but I feel it's the truth. I think medications should have to be tested in many different ways against many different medications and for like a year before they are even able to be prescribed. Even that is a relatively short amount of time, but at least it's more reasonable.
Just how I feel. And the further away I get from relying on medications, the more clear-headed I become and see how much life I have missed out on by being on the wrong med, or the wrong dose, or having the wrong diagnosis. I also think if people go to a Doctor feeling depressed, anxious, etc., they should be given tests before medication. Because sometimes it could be another health issue and you just keep getting worse and worse (like me) but don't know why.
Take care everyone and have a great day!
Hugs,
Baby Bunny
> The problem with pharma companies is that they have products to sell. But the problem with anti-pharm doctors is they also have something to sell. For example, that interviewer (who gave Dr. Baughman as credulous an audience as he's ever going to get, agreeing readily with every statement Dr. Baughman made) asserts in his bio that he never uses prescription meds. So the interview was definitely a matter of 'preaching to the choir.'
>
> -z
Posted by BabyBunny on June 26, 2007, at 9:36:43
In reply to Re: Is ADHD a Hoax? This Doctor Says So. Read On..., posted by zeugma on June 26, 2007, at 4:58:41
Good point. And I too noticed that BUT I found this article to be interesting. Not because of ADHD actually, because if what that Doctor is saying is even half-way true (which I can imagine could be reality) then that's just scary and wrong.
I don't know if Psychiatrists actually "make-up" disorders as that seems kind of over-the-top, but I can see the Pharmaceutical Companies being VERY involved in these decisions.
I just don't trust Pharmaceutical Companies. I really don't. I mean as a whole. I believe there are ones that are more ethical than others, but I still think they're all not exactly the most honest of businesses. But then again this could be said about almost any field.
I believe the FDA is wrong in letting these "Clinical Studies" be conducted the way the Pharm Co. wants and for only 9 weeks or so. 9 weeks? Jeez some SSRI's take 8 weeks to even really work! To me THAT is the scary part.
I have heard so many people say we are guinea pigs (a term which I can't stand because I like those little guys) but I feel it's the truth. I think medications should have to be tested in many different ways against many different medications and for like a year before they are even able to be prescribed. Even that is a relatively short amount of time, but at least it's more reasonable.
Just how I feel. And the further away I get from relying on medications, the more clear-headed I become and see how much life I have missed out on by being on the wrong med, or the wrong dose, or having the wrong diagnosis. I also think if people go to a Doctor feeling depressed, anxious, etc., they should be given tests before medication. Because sometimes it could be another health issue and you just keep getting worse and worse (like me) but don't know why.
Take care everyone and have a great day!
Hugs,
Baby Bunny
> The problem with pharma companies is that they have products to sell. But the problem with anti-pharm doctors is they also have something to sell. For example, that interviewer (who gave Dr. Baughman as credulous an audience as he's ever going to get, agreeing readily with every statement Dr. Baughman made) asserts in his bio that he never uses prescription meds. So the interview was definitely a matter of 'preaching to the choir.'
>
> -z
Posted by med_empowered on June 27, 2007, at 11:09:25
In reply to Re: Is ADHD a Hoax? This Doctor Says So. Read On... » zeugma, posted by BabyBunny on June 26, 2007, at 9:36:43
Psychiatrists do make up disorders; that's how we've gone from the original DSM, with like 60 conditions, to the DSM-IV (over 400) and soon the DSM-V (god only knows how many).
From what I understand, the US consumes most of the worlds RX stimulants, so at the very least ADHD is diagnosed more liberally here. I tend to think that a lot of it isn't just evil docs; a lot of it is our tendency as a culture to view problems as strictly individual. As in...Timmy and Sally (and millions of other kids) can't sit still because they each, individually, have a brain issue (ADHD)...instead of: maybe Timmy and Sally and their millions of ADHD peers are bored, frustrated, underserved, alienated, so on and so forth....its like we live in denial of the social forces all around us, which would explain not only why we use so many psychiatric drugs, but also why American Psychiatry tends to be so very, very biologically oriented to the exclusion of other approaches, while other countries tend to have systems that are more open to the bio-psycho-social model.
Posted by zeugma on June 27, 2007, at 12:38:00
In reply to DSM is scary, posted by med_empowered on June 27, 2007, at 11:09:25
American Psychiatry tends to be so very, very biologically oriented to the exclusion of other approaches, while other countries tend to have systems that are more open to the bio-psycho-social model.>>
One very simple reason for this is that pills are so much cheaper, in the short run, than other forms of treatment. Investing in mental health infrastructure is something Americans gave up on a long time ago.
Of course, the lost productivity, anguish, homelessness, etc., are very costly...but as the middle class disappears, so will the funds needed to generate any kind of affordable services.-z
Posted by linkadge on June 27, 2007, at 14:40:38
In reply to DSM is scary, posted by med_empowered on June 27, 2007, at 11:09:25
>its like we live in denial of the social forces >all around us
Its true. If your life sucks, its not due to the crappy air quality, a worthless job, lack of prospects, impending neuclear war, etc etc, its due to your own individual 'negative' outlook.
Linkadge
Posted by Sigismund on June 27, 2007, at 15:58:59
In reply to Re: DSM is scary » med_empowered, posted by linkadge on June 27, 2007, at 14:40:38
Once you have a drug, syndromes to treat will emerge on theoretical and practical grounds.
Is this like Parkinson's Law?And there's the social forces thing.
It seems that all the British Commonwealth suffer from depression but not from ADHD.
It would be interesting to look at the European Union, and also further afield.
Posted by steel on June 30, 2007, at 10:36:55
In reply to DSM is scary, posted by med_empowered on June 27, 2007, at 11:09:25
> Psychiatrists do make up disorders; that's how we've gone from the original DSM, with like 60 conditions, to the DSM-IV (over 400) and soon the DSM-V (god only knows how many).
> From what I understand, the US consumes most of the worlds RX stimulants, so at the very least ADHD is diagnosed more liberally here. I tend to think that a lot of it isn't just evil docs; a lot of it is our tendency as a culture to view problems as strictly individual. As in...Timmy and Sally (and millions of other kids) can't sit still because they each, individually, have a brain issue (ADHD)...instead of: maybe Timmy and Sally and their millions of ADHD peers are bored, frustrated, underserved, alienated, so on and so forth....its like we live in denial of the social forces all around us, which would explain not only why we use so many psychiatric drugs, but also why American Psychiatry tends to be so very, very biologically oriented to the exclusion of other approaches, while other countries tend to have systems that are more open to the bio-psycho-social model.
>
>Agree strongly here and personaly like to just use the term,Emotional disorder and let it be what it is.
There are not two tablets brought down by the almighty lucy from charlie brown with the emotional disorder commandents,perhaps this is why the strong disease it is,doesent seem in my view to be getting enough of the worlds strict attention until something like the horrid columbine or the wrestler chris B more recently doing something dramatic,then we get noticed for a second
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