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Posted by linkadge on April 28, 2007, at 15:57:03
I mean really. Does anyone here actually believe that these meds are doing anything positive for them long term?
Linkadge
Posted by zenhussy on April 28, 2007, at 16:02:21
In reply to Are people just getting worse on meds?, posted by linkadge on April 28, 2007, at 15:57:03
>>>Are people just getting worse on meds?<<< short answer--NO
>>> I mean really. Does anyone here actually believe that these meds are doing anything positive for them long term?<<< short answer--YES
Posted by linkadge on April 28, 2007, at 16:09:53
In reply to Re: Are people just getting worse on meds? .....NO » linkadge, posted by zenhussy on April 28, 2007, at 16:02:21
Thanks,
I'm just throwing the question out there.
Linkadge
Posted by zenhussy on April 28, 2007, at 16:13:37
In reply to Re: Are people just getting worse on meds? .....NO » zenhussy, posted by linkadge on April 28, 2007, at 16:09:53
Posted by Phillipa on April 28, 2007, at 16:15:42
In reply to Re: Are people just getting worse on meds? .....NO » zenhussy, posted by linkadge on April 28, 2007, at 16:09:53
Think it depends on the person and how many combos they are willing to try. I'm not anti-med but so far I've never had a remittance or maybe I'm just an anxious person? Love Phillipa
Posted by notfred on April 28, 2007, at 17:07:36
In reply to Re: Are people just getting worse on meds? .....NO, posted by Phillipa on April 28, 2007, at 16:15:42
Posted by linkadge on April 28, 2007, at 17:12:31
In reply to I've posted many times about my 20+ yr. remission (nm), posted by notfred on April 28, 2007, at 17:07:36
And you really attribute that to medications, not just the luck of the draw?
Linkadge
Posted by Jay on April 28, 2007, at 18:11:15
In reply to Are people just getting worse on meds?, posted by linkadge on April 28, 2007, at 15:57:03
> I mean really. Does anyone here actually believe that these meds are doing anything positive for them long term?
>
> LinkadgeWell, if you expect that meds are a 'cure-all', or make you super-human, or resistant to any kind of life-stresses, then you are in for a dissapointment. That is not what they are mean't to be, nor do they work like that. They make life somewhat 'average'...which isn't that great (especially for many..esp if you are poor..or in a bad relationship...or have bad social skills..don't like your job..or have no social support). Medications won't change a damn thing of these. People still sadly think they do. The only two things they seem to repeatedly do, in a very minor way, is add a bit of energy and slightly decrease anxiety. It's up to you how you use that. If you don't, you will never get better, meds or not. Medications are not 'rocket fuel'.
Jay
Posted by Phillipa on April 28, 2007, at 19:24:00
In reply to No...meds are not to blame.. » linkadge, posted by Jay on April 28, 2007, at 18:11:15
Jay I agree you must push on. Add some theraphy and excercise and talk at least to neighbors. Love Phillipa
Posted by Jay on April 28, 2007, at 21:10:30
In reply to Re: No...meds are not to blame.. » Jay, posted by Phillipa on April 28, 2007, at 19:24:00
> Jay I agree you must push on. Add some theraphy and excercise and talk at least to neighbors. Love Phillipa
Yes, Phillipa...I didn't mean to sound cold-hearted. I just mean, like for myself, I am in a 'bind' right now...feeling kinda bad. I can adjust the meds to lower anxiety, but I've gotta change myself too. Peace and Best, Jay :)
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 28, 2007, at 22:35:26
In reply to Are people just getting worse on meds?, posted by linkadge on April 28, 2007, at 15:57:03
Hey man, I feel like that, too, sometimes.
But meds do work, most definitely.
I would say the No. 1 reasons meds do not work for the MAJORITY of people is because they do NOT stay on them long enough to kick in.
So many of us lack patience. And if we dont feel any differences after a few weeks, then it's off to something else. Most AD's take 8-9 weeks to kick in.
Posted by notfred on April 28, 2007, at 22:39:42
In reply to Re: I've posted many times about my 20+ yr. remission » notfred, posted by linkadge on April 28, 2007, at 17:12:31
> And you really attribute that to medications, not just the luck of the draw?
>
> LinkadgeIt is a number of things. I also do not expect a pill to solve everything. A constant negative attitude do not help.
Posted by polarbear206 on April 28, 2007, at 22:53:33
In reply to No...meds are not to blame.. » linkadge, posted by Jay on April 28, 2007, at 18:11:15
> > I mean really. Does anyone here actually believe that these meds are doing anything positive for them long term?
> >
> > Linkadge
>
> Well, if you expect that meds are a 'cure-all', or make you super-human, or resistant to any kind of life-stresses, then you are in for a dissapointment. That is not what they are mean't to be, nor do they work like that. They make life somewhat 'average'...which isn't that great (especially for many..esp if you are poor..or in a bad relationship...or have bad social skills..don't like your job..or have no social support). Medications won't change a damn thing of these. People still sadly think they do. The only two things they seem to repeatedly do, in a very minor way, is add a bit of energy and slightly decrease anxiety. It's up to you how you use that. If you don't, you will never get better, meds or not. Medications are not 'rocket fuel'.
>
> Jay
>
Well put JayPoarbear
Posted by crenshaw387 on April 29, 2007, at 3:04:45
In reply to Are people just getting worse on meds?, posted by linkadge on April 28, 2007, at 15:57:03
life itself is always a work in progress. some types of medications when used properly and given a chance can definately can overcome and get the mind and body to "learn" how to overcome the obstacle internally without meds later. other medications like my dexedrine arent going to cure me of ADD but as long as im not having troublesome or unhealthy side effects, my day to day quality of live is improved which ultimately is actually changing things in the long run for the better but most likely will stop when i stop taking it.
Posted by Klavot on April 29, 2007, at 3:23:25
In reply to Re: Are people just getting worse on meds?, posted by crenshaw387 on April 29, 2007, at 3:04:45
I personally have benefitted 3x in the past from Zoloft. At the moment I am not medicated; hopefully the rest of my life will be med-free.
Klavot
Posted by Ines on April 29, 2007, at 8:09:15
In reply to Are people just getting worse on meds?, posted by linkadge on April 28, 2007, at 15:57:03
Linkadge, I personally know 3 cases of clinical depression for whom meds have done wonders. I think there are many many cases like that out there- it's just that they tend to not end up here. In that sense this forum can give you a bit of a pessimistic view I think - altghough it is great for support and advice and lots of other things. This is just a guess, but I think there may be several reasons for meds not working: 1) not finding the right doctor who really understands the minutiae of your particular case, 2) not complying to treatment, or giving up too early, 3) expecting too much (I believe meds can be a godsend but in my view you have to see them as a tool to help you get to a point where you feel well enough to help yourself through changing behaviour. lifestyle, addressing issues through therapy etc- i.e. you have to learn what puts you at risk of replase and be proactive in shielding yourself). I'm not trying to say that everyone falls into these cathergories, and I myself haven't found the long term solution to my case yet, but I do think that these 3 things contribute significantly to so many non successful treatment cases.
Ines
Posted by chiron on April 29, 2007, at 14:39:34
In reply to Re: Are people just getting worse on meds?, posted by Ines on April 29, 2007, at 8:09:15
One man's poison is another man's nectar. Body chemistries are uniquely complex.
- Many researchers believe that long-term use of antidepressants (not mood stabilizers) are actually inducing cycling and making the course of illess worse for some people (probably what has happened to me).
- There are many happy stories of how mood drugs have helped and/or are continuing to help people and probably even save lives from suicide. Unfortunately, sometimes they stop working for them.
- For some people it may be a matter of being tenacious and trying the right drug, the right combo, or trying it long enough. (although it seems like the experience of a drug suddently kicking in after 6 weeks is rare).
- For some people, there is not a drug that has been developed that will work for them no matter how tenacious and enduring they are. (this may soon be me)
My opinion is that overall mood drugs are having a much greater positive effect than negative. The people posting here I assume are the ones that are struggling to find relief, myself included. I have had nightmare experiences from some of the drugs I have tried, but I am still glad they exist to help other people.
Posted by Bonnie_CA on April 29, 2007, at 15:13:58
In reply to Are people just getting worse on meds?, posted by linkadge on April 28, 2007, at 15:57:03
>Are people just getting worse on meds?
Not I.
> I mean really. Does anyone here actually believe that these meds are doing anything positive for them long term?
Yes. I started taking meds in college because I wanted to go to class, but I had panic attacks as soon as I stepped out of my apartment, or something before I even left my apartment on the thought of leaving. Or I'd make it to class, only to have a panic attack IN class. Long term plus? I finished college. I can have my career. My career choice doesn't lend itself to taking online classes at home, so these medications at least got me back in the game. They weren't perfect, but it was a start. I continue to take meds because any time I have tried going off meds, I'm right back where I started, and that isn't so good for the career either. Those career choices that involve working from home did not interest me, so I'm going to stick to what I do now (with medications). For me, with the exception of Prozac and BuSpar, they have all been better than taking nothing at all.
-Bonnie
Posted by KayeBaby on April 29, 2007, at 15:50:58
In reply to Re: Are people just getting worse on meds? » linkadge, posted by Bonnie_CA on April 29, 2007, at 15:13:58
In the movie The Matrix remeber the Red pill and the Blue pill?
They were symbolic of the characters desire to wake up or remain asleep. Basiaclly to live or die. Aside from the actual properties of the pill for many taking medication is symbolic of the desire to live.
For others the meds may symbolize defeat or weakness. What do medications symbolize in your mind. If they have positive connotations for you I suspect, given a beneficial med will allow you to become 'better' if not quite well.
Taking medication that is at least somewhat beneficial for my condition gives me a symbolic focus while the more subtle psychological healing is working away in the background.
I am one to light colored candles to help manifest the desired result (ex. pink for love, grean for growth etc.) A friend asked me once "Do you REALLY think those candles are doing ANYTHING? I said that of course I din't think burning colored wax had any inherent power, but that I thought my mind did and that they served the pupose of keeping my mind focused to my intent.
What we focus on does manifest and I am so highly distractable.The candles my be of questionable value but so long as you do not set fire to your house why doubt that they may have subtle powers that aid your cause?
Avoid overtly damaging tools and make the most of the gentle.
Peace,
kaye
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 30, 2007, at 3:17:14
In reply to Re: Are people just getting worse on meds?, posted by KayeBaby on April 29, 2007, at 15:50:58
I think meds are the short-time answer, even though I realize I will probably be on them for the rest of my life.
However, once you get stabalized on meds, then you should seek CBT therapy, and change your thought patterns. That, in my opinion, is the only way to long-term healing.
Posted by Sebastian on April 30, 2007, at 13:44:07
In reply to Are people just getting worse on meds?, posted by linkadge on April 28, 2007, at 15:57:03
I think I would be dead if I was not taking zyprexa. So yes.
On the other hand if I took the wrong medicin I would also probably be in bad shape.
So yes and no.
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