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Posted by football on April 21, 2007, at 21:25:41
For the last couple of days, upon waking up for about 5 minutes my vision has been so poor that I bump into walls and can hardly see my hand if I wave in front of my face. Then, thankfully, after these strange 5 minutes it had gone away.
Today upon waking I had the same problem as usual, and again it went away after about 5 minutes. However, I've found that every half or so today, my vision gets very poor. Not as poor as when I wake up and am virtually blind, but everything looks very blurry and weird. I thought it might be a contact problem, so I put on my glasses, but nothing changed. I know that's a pretty poor description, but it's a very hard sensation to describe. Needless to say I'm very scared because I have no idea what's going on. Is it an eye problem, a med side-effect, or am I just going crazy?
I'm seeing a doc tomorrow, who hopefully will have some answers, but does anyone here have any idea what's going on?
Posted by Phillipa on April 21, 2007, at 22:47:59
In reply to What the hell is going on? (very wierd problem), posted by football on April 21, 2007, at 21:25:41
Football no no injuries lately? And you are young is this doc an eye specialist? Love Phillipa please let us know how it goes and good luck
Posted by crenshaw387 on April 21, 2007, at 23:10:20
In reply to Re: What the hell is going on? (very wierd problem) » football, posted by Phillipa on April 21, 2007, at 22:47:59
possibly spikes or dips in blood pressure?
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 21, 2007, at 23:12:14
In reply to What the hell is going on? (very wierd problem), posted by football on April 21, 2007, at 21:25:41
Nardil, I found out myself, can cause a lot of nasty side effects in the first few months. Ppl say most if not all of them lessen or disappear in time.
I was "stoned" the first week of Nardil, which few ppl have mentioned. Yes daytime sedation, but not stoned.
You see, my young friend, the X factor here is the other drugs you are taking with Nardil. While Nardil alone causes a pattern of side effects that many ppl in here complain about, Nardil taken w/other meds would likely cause even more unique side effects.
I would advise you, especially if you are still having the urinary retention, to go see a doc this week.
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 21, 2007, at 23:15:49
In reply to Re: What the hell is going on? (very wierd problem), posted by crenshaw387 on April 21, 2007, at 23:10:20
Crenshaw is exactly right. That is what happening. Your BP drops on Nardil, causing postural hypotension (or blackouts) when you stand up, esp for the first time for the day. Actually it happens to me all day.
Dont go to the doc for this UNLESS your vision problems continue for hours. Waste of money.
Posted by Phillipa on April 21, 2007, at 23:47:43
In reply to I totally agree: It's spike in Blood Pressure » crenshaw387, posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 21, 2007, at 23:15:49
Ummm Michael I have to disagree pleasantly. But last summer I developed a floater in my eye and it could have been the beginning of retinal detachment according to the retinal specialist who believe it or not was doing appointments that day for post-op patients. So I still think football should check it out as my own Son is blind from an injury. Football don't worry these are extreme situations. Love Phillipa
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 22, 2007, at 0:10:27
In reply to What the hell is going on? (very wierd problem), posted by football on April 21, 2007, at 21:25:41
I know you are a former nurse and have forgotten more than I will ever know about medicine. And yes, if possible, it is always best to have everything checked by doctors. However, I doubt many doctors are well-versed on the side effects of Nardil, and therefore Football will likely be put through a million tests to see what else could be the causes. Waste a lot of money (I've been down this road for SSRI side effects for thousands of dollars).
The only reason I offered my opinion and totally stand by it is because of two things: 1) If you have ever taken a MAOI, you WILL (not IF, but WILL) have postural hypotension and this to me sounds like a form of it. 2) Football says this goes away in five minutes, as do my blackouts. If this stayed around for 30 minutes or so, then I would be seriously worried.
To Football: Go to the doc if it will ease your mind, but be prepared for the doc to know next to nothing about MAOIs or its side effects. If fact, ask him "What do you think about Emsam?" (the new MAOI patch) and see if the doc even knows what you are talking about LOL. If not, tell him you need to use the bathroom and leave.
To Phillipa: I am sorry about your son. Thats terrible. I do like your mindset: You should always err on the side of caution. If Football's parents have good health insurance, go for it all (MRI's, CT scans, blood tests, etc.)
Posted by football on April 22, 2007, at 2:05:30
In reply to I totally agree: It's spike in Blood Pressure » crenshaw387, posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 21, 2007, at 23:15:49
> Crenshaw is exactly right. That is what happening. Your BP drops on Nardil, causing postural hypotension (or blackouts) when you stand up, esp for the first time for the day. Actually it happens to me all day.
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> Dont go to the doc for this UNLESS your vision problems continue for hours. Waste of money.
It gives me a great deal of relief that you think it;s not that big of a problem. :)But I'm still going to the doc because of my other issue as well
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20070413/msgs/750426.html
Posted by Jedi on April 22, 2007, at 2:38:44
In reply to Re: I totally agree: It's spike in Blood Pressure, posted by football on April 22, 2007, at 2:05:30
Here are some of the possible side effects that can be caused by Nardil. Ironically, MAOIs can help control hypertension. My BP averaged 145/80 before MAOIs and is now about 126/72. Saves taking one more med. Jedi
"Side Effects and Interactions:
The most common side effects of Nardil treatment include dizziness, headache, drowsiness, insomnia, hypersomnia, fatigue, weakness, myoclonic movements, hyperrefexia, tremors, twitching, dry mouth, gastrointestinal disturbances, constipation, weight gain, edema, postural hypotension, and sexual disturbances such as anorgasmia and delayed ejaculation in men.Rarer side effects, mostly mild to moderate in severity, include jitteriness, euphoria, paresthesias, palilalia, nystagmus, urinary retention, blurred vision, pruritus, skin rash, sweating, glaucoma, and hypernatremia. ..."
Reference: http://www.anxiety-and-depression-solutions.com/articles/conventional/pharmaceutical/nardil.php
> > Crenshaw is exactly right. That is what happening. Your BP drops on Nardil, causing postural hypotension (or blackouts) when you stand up, esp for the first time for the day. Actually it happens to me all day.
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> > Dont go to the doc for this UNLESS your vision problems continue for hours. Waste of money.
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> It gives me a great deal of relief that you think it;s not that big of a problem. :)
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> But I'm still going to the doc because of my other issue as well
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20070413/msgs/750426.html
Posted by naughtypuppy on April 22, 2007, at 8:43:55
In reply to Some Nardil Side Effects » football, posted by Jedi on April 22, 2007, at 2:38:44
Same thing happened to me. Get a BP cuff (should have one if on MAOI's anyway) and measure it when one of these incidents happen. That will settle the issue once and for all. My systolic went down to the 50's when I was at my highest dose and stood up too fast.
Posted by Phillipa on April 22, 2007, at 10:02:55
In reply to Phillipa, I AGREE to DISAGREE on this one, posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 22, 2007, at 0:10:27
Michael it's okay as I don't think docs have ever been given any knowledge of MAOi's. Me neither. They just don't use them anymore even that old pdoc of mine. I know you've done your homework so football should listen to you. Love Phillipa
Posted by Honore on April 22, 2007, at 11:07:43
In reply to Re: Some Nardil Side Effects, posted by naughtypuppy on April 22, 2007, at 8:43:55
I agree with Jedi that you should get a BP cuff. They have them at pharmacies-- and check your BP if you think it's low-- but also if you've eaten anything you become concerned about. That way, you've got a much better chance of catching any reaction to food or meds, etc.much more quickly.
Honore
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 22, 2007, at 11:17:32
In reply to Re: Some Nardil Side Effects, posted by Honore on April 22, 2007, at 11:07:43
Same wrist monitor costs almost $70 in Wal-Mart
Posted by Quintal on April 22, 2007, at 12:31:24
In reply to What the hell is going on? (very wierd problem), posted by football on April 21, 2007, at 21:25:41
A brownout, or grey-out, is a transient loss of vision characterised by a perceived dimming of light accompanied by a brown hue and a loss of peripheral vision.[citation needed] It is a precursor to fainting or a blackout and is caused by hypoxia, a loss of blood pressure or restriction of blood flow to the brain. It is commonly experienced when suddenly standing up, especially if sick, hungover, or suffering from low blood pressure or shock. Usually recovery is rapid and a brownout can be readily reversed by lying down.
A brownout may be brought on intentionally, although inadvisedly, through hyperventilation, the process is described in the article the choking game under self-induced hypocapnia. Hyperventilation may also bring it about unintentionally as described in the article shallow water blackout.
A brownout, or grey-out, may also be experienced by aircraft pilots pulling high positive g-forces as when pulling up into a loop or a tight turn forcing blood to the lower extremities of the body and lowering blood pressure in the brain. This is the reverse of a redout, or a reddening of the vision, which is the result of negative G forces caused by performing an outside loop, that is by pushing the nose of the aircraft down. Redouts are potentially dangerous and can cause retinal damage and hemorrhagic stroke. Pilots of high performance aircraft can increase their resistance to brownout by using a G-suit, which controls the pooling of blood in the lower limbs but there is no suit yet capable of controlling a redout. In both cases symptoms may be remedied immediately by easing pressure on the joystick. Continued, or heavy G force will rapidly progress to g-LOC (G force induced Loss of Consciousness).
Another common occurrence of brownouts are in roller coaster riders. Many roller coasters put riders through high positive G forces, particularly in vertical loops and helices.[citation needed] Roller coasters rarely have high enough negative G forces to induce redouts, as most low-G elements are designed to simulate weightlessness.
Also, grey-out may occur after donating blood, resulting in a loss of blood pressure and insufficient blood reaching the brain. However, the onset of such grey-outs is usually gradual and preventable by lying down so that the blood does not need to work against gravity to reach the brain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownout_%28medical%29
__________________________________________________I used to have them when I was younger, particularly during the summer when my blood pressure dropped during an afternoon nap and I went to stand back up again. The best way of dealing with this is to lie back down again or stay in the sitting position for at least two minutes before standing when you get out of bed.
Q
Posted by Quintal on April 22, 2007, at 13:14:00
In reply to What the hell is going on? (very wierd problem), posted by football on April 21, 2007, at 21:25:41
Off-Label and investigational use
As with other NSAIDs, ibuprofen may be useful in the treatment of severe orthostatic hypotension.In some studies, ibuprofen showed superior results compared to placebo in the prophylaxis of Alzheimer's disease, when given in low doses over a long time. Further studies are needed to confirm the results before ibuprofen can be recommended for this indication.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibuprofen
Posted by Phillipa on April 22, 2007, at 18:20:55
In reply to Ibuprofen + Orthostatic Hypotension, posted by Quintal on April 22, 2007, at 13:14:00
Football I hope you saw you doc today. Just my opinion. I would be very frightened too. Let us know okay? Love Phillipa
Posted by football on April 23, 2007, at 15:24:19
In reply to Re: Football, posted by Phillipa on April 22, 2007, at 18:20:55
Went to the doc, and the only thing I really learned is that you should really only go to the family doc if you have the flu or want to be prescribed some prozac. :(
She had no idea about my bathroom problem and said that I should just keep going in the shower until I see my new pdoc on May 10th.
For my eye problem she said that it could be caused by Klonopin and told me to switch my dosages around so that I'm taking .5 MG in the morning and 1 MG in the afternoon instead of my current regime of 1 MG in the morning and .5 MG in the afternoon. (no idea if that will do anything, but it sounds unlikely)
Then she gave me new prescriptions for all my drugs that I'm running low on, when we got to Nardil, she read the name really slowly, "Narrrrdilll? That's for athlete's foot right?" I felt like laughing and crying at the same time.
I'm counting down the days until I see my new pdoc...
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 23, 2007, at 18:50:48
In reply to Re: Football, posted by football on April 23, 2007, at 15:24:19
> She had no idea about my bathroom problem and said that I should just keep going in the shower until I see my new pdoc on May 10th.
I can't tell from here how bad your urinary retention problem is, but it can be very serious. Please read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinary_retention
At the very least, they should do an ultrasound after you've urinated as best you can. The degree of retention, and the size of the bladder determine what steps they will take.
Lar
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 24, 2007, at 1:51:58
In reply to Re: Football, posted by football on April 23, 2007, at 15:24:19
This is the FIRST and MOST IMPORTANT thing you will discover as you go from 18 years to the rest of your life: YOU have got to be in CONTROL of your health care, or nothing will ever be done. Like those tests that Larry Hoover talked about, go back in there and demand that they be done.
I tried to tell you that your doc would know nothing about the side effects of MAOIs. And I'm not sure your new pdoc will, unless the pdoc prescribes MAOIs on a regular basis and has for years. Where do you live? My pdoc is nationally known as a "treatment resistant" pdoc and might be able to find someone in your area that can directly assess your needs.
Michael
sportscarvell@yahoo.com
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 24, 2007, at 5:44:23
In reply to A lesson learned for our young friend » football, posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 24, 2007, at 1:51:58
> This is the FIRST and MOST IMPORTANT thing you will discover as you go from 18 years to the rest of your life: YOU have got to be in CONTROL of your health care, or nothing will ever be done. Like those tests that Larry Hoover talked about, go back in there and demand that they be done.
I didn't realize football's age. Urinary retention in an eighteen year old should raise a red flag.
Football, you will likely get better results going to a different doctor, e.g. an emergency room. If your urinary retention leads to discomfort, then it must be brought under control. If allowed to persist, permanent changes in your urinary tract can occur, including kidney damage. If nothing else, as you age, your vulnerability to things like urinary incontinence will increase dramatically.
If, following a full examination, a doctor judges that your urinary retention is within safe limits, that's well and good. But, that conclusion cannot be reached without an exam. And, the treatments are well known and quite effective.
Please, don't let your doctor's ignorance limit your treatment. That's why people get second opinions.
Lar
Posted by gardenergirl on April 24, 2007, at 11:39:52
In reply to A lesson learned for our young friend » football, posted by UgottaHaveHope on April 24, 2007, at 1:51:58
Is it possible that she assumed you were talking about a "shy bladder" problem versus urinary retention? If so, I can see why she said what she did to some extent, but it doesn't sound like a high quality service she provided. :(
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on April 24, 2007, at 11:42:13
In reply to Re: A lesson learned for our young friend, posted by gardenergirl on April 24, 2007, at 11:39:52
Posted by stargazer on April 24, 2007, at 21:06:24
In reply to Re: A lesson learned for our young friend » UgottaHaveHope, posted by Larry Hoover on April 24, 2007, at 5:44:23
Urinary retention is never normal and can always cause infections since the urine pools and bacteria starts to collect in your bladder. If you can see someone soon, like tomorrow, I would go to a walkin clinic for urgent conditons.
One of the drugs is causing anticholinergic effects and has to be reduced, I can't remember what you are on besides Nardil or was there a new drug added that caused this symptom to appear? Either you have to reduce the dosage of the med that is causing this symptom or take an antidote for the offending med.
Stargazer
Posted by football on April 27, 2007, at 12:59:50
In reply to And she dropped the ball big time. (nm), posted by gardenergirl on April 24, 2007, at 11:42:13
I don't see why it's that big of deal. I am able to go whenever I have to, I just have to use the shower instead of the toilet.
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