Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 745673

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I love Provigil!!

Posted by football on March 31, 2007, at 0:08:10

Fatigue has been a major problem of mine for some time, and even amphetamines like Adderall did not help at all. So a couple weeks ago my doc decided to try me on Provigil, and the difference was like night or day. No longer do I need a nap every day, no longer do I constantly feel exhausted, and I no longer do I have to go to bed by 8 every night. And to top it off, there's been no side-effects!

After going through so many useless drugs, it's really a great feeling to find something that actually is really helpful!

If you're having fatigue problems, I cannot recommend Provigil enough!!!

 

Re: I love Provigil!!

Posted by Meri-Tuuli on March 31, 2007, at 2:15:43

In reply to I love Provigil!!, posted by football on March 31, 2007, at 0:08:10

are you taking any other meds that might be causing the fatigue? I was on celexa and I was permantly exhausted on that.

 

Re: I love Provigil!! » football

Posted by UgottaHaveHope on March 31, 2007, at 2:57:54

In reply to I love Provigil!!, posted by football on March 31, 2007, at 0:08:10

Have you ever thought Provigil may be adding to your anxiety?

 

Re: I love Provigil!!

Posted by Phillipa on March 31, 2007, at 11:16:54

In reply to Re: I love Provigil!! » football, posted by UgottaHaveHope on March 31, 2007, at 2:57:54

I wish I could find a med that would make me sleepy. Love Phillipa But great that it is helping you congratulations

 

and I hated provigil, Drug variability rationale

Posted by stargazer on March 31, 2007, at 12:47:06

In reply to Re: I love Provigil!!, posted by Phillipa on March 31, 2007, at 11:16:54

See here's the thing, what works for one will fail so miserably for another. That is the brain chemisty thing no one has figured out yet, which causes endless med trials, rather than just trying the ones that are chemically suitable for us.

When is the genetic testing for psychiatric meds going to be available? So many other medical specialties are already using this technology, why not psychiatry? Is that because so many do not believe depression exists or that psychiatry is not considered a real branch of medicine?

So many medications are developed in psychiatry without having a clearcut rationale for their action. If I read one more time, Action:
"Unknown" or "not fully understood'. For not knowing very much about the mechanism behind the drug, there's no lack of money being poured into development of more psychiatic drugs. It seems as though any new Psychiatric drug with enough marketing can make a drug company tons of money even with little proof of effectiveness beyond the placebo effect.

In any event, I don't a drug's effectiveness has to be that much greater than the placebo effect to be approved by the FDA.

The "science" of psychiatry needs to come up with better diagnostic testing and drugs with better outcomes, so that we are not used as guinea pigs forever. I've been a guinea pig for 20+ years and it hasn't been a fun journey. Tests of which drugs will work or have the greatest possibility of working should have been developed by now. The science probably exists, but that would be the end of unlimited drug testing for each and every patient with depression or other diagnoses. That would greatly reduce the profit margins for the pharma giants by eliminating the never ending drug trials and help patients recover at a much quicker pace. This should be where the science is today, not by developing more medicines with inexact mechanisms but less medicines with more specific mechanisms to improve patient outcomes not to delay the outcomes.

Is this too much to ask, it is 2007 and I'm not getting any younger but there is a wholenew generation of depressives coming up in the ranks to stand in line for the next, best drug to help them cope with life's uncertainties.

Will they be saying what I'm saying now, where are the answers, what meds will help me! I sure hope not for their sake!

Stargazer

 

drug variability...

Posted by med_empowered on March 31, 2007, at 14:29:04

In reply to and I hated provigil, Drug variability rationale, posted by stargazer on March 31, 2007, at 12:47:06

here's the problem: few drugs are developed *IN* psychiatry. Thorazine--old school antihistamine. Prozac--dervied from Benadryl. Amphetamines--used evidence for some sort of physical basis for thefor general medicine. On and on it goes.

There's no proof that there are chemical imbalances or what have you, so drugs are used alter brain chemistry to a desired effect. This is difficult for a number of reasons, one of which being the brain's ability to compensate for any alterations in function.

Psychiatry doesn't have or use the same tools as other fields of medicine b/c it isn't really medicine, not in the strictest sense. There aren't blood tests or scans for disorders; many "diseases" have no basis for their existence other than inclusion in the DSM, which has been growing exponentially since its introduction anyway, so that's not really an indication that a disorder is "real"; it just means some shrinks voted it in.

Depression, anxiety, etc. are REAL in the sense that one really does experience them--I know I have--but I don't think the bio-medical model has done very much to help alleviate suffering, and there has been a lot of suffering due to bio-medical interventions (iatrogenic disease) that could have been avoided. I think drugs can help, but they're not going to fix things for most people. I think maybe the thing to do is embrace a drug-centered psychiatry, one that focuses on the effects of the meds on one's psychological state, rather than a disease-centered model, in which there are specific "treatments" for specific "diseases." Calling mental distress "mental illness" is really just metaphor for the time being--se problems hasn't been forthcoming--so maybe its time to put the metaphor aside and start a new way of looking at these issues.

 

Over the counter water pill for Lyrica woes?

Posted by rina on March 31, 2007, at 16:44:31

In reply to drug variability..., posted by med_empowered on March 31, 2007, at 14:29:04

Hi all,

Here's the thing. I love the Lyrica but I'm having a bit of water retention as a side effect and my pdoc is out of the country until Monday and I'm a flight attendant and out of the state util Monday. This water retention is about to kill me!! Any over the counter suggestions until Monday? I've tried herbal teas and warm water. Not working. Any suggestions? I take Lyrica 600mg, Topamax 100mg and Provigil 200mg. Thanks for any suggestions.

 

Re: Over the counter water pill for Lyrica woes?

Posted by bulldog2 on March 31, 2007, at 17:46:22

In reply to Over the counter water pill for Lyrica woes?, posted by rina on March 31, 2007, at 16:44:31

> Hi all,
>
> Here's the thing. I love the Lyrica but I'm having a bit of water retention as a side effect and my pdoc is out of the country until Monday and I'm a flight attendant and out of the state util Monday. This water retention is about to kill me!! Any over the counter suggestions until Monday? I've tried herbal teas and warm water. Not working. Any suggestions? I take Lyrica 600mg, Topamax 100mg and Provigil 200mg. Thanks for any suggestions.

Have you tried dandelion which is an herbal diuretec? I read where some p-doc presribed a script diuretic to combat the water retention. I have a feeling that all this weight gain on Lyrica is water retention and more p-docs should be using a diuretic with this drug.

 

Re: I love Provigil!!

Posted by bulldog2 on March 31, 2007, at 17:48:13

In reply to Re: I love Provigil!!, posted by Phillipa on March 31, 2007, at 11:16:54

> I wish I could find a med that would make me sleepy. Love Phillipa But great that it is helping you congratulations


Ask your p-doc about neurontin for sleep. See my post below. Also the ads trazadone and remeron are great for sleeping. You will sleep like a log!


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