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Posted by capricorn on March 27, 2007, at 3:16:15
Posted by Squiggles on March 27, 2007, at 8:46:27
In reply to Psychiatry during the Nazi era: ethical lessons, posted by capricorn on March 27, 2007, at 3:16:15
The government should be the legal and therefore ethics moderator. Unfortunately, the government at that time was corrupt or psychopathic in itself. The poor sick people and their relatives had no access to legal protection against these self-serving professionals. This is scary stuff.
Squiggles
Posted by DStupid on March 30, 2007, at 17:58:31
In reply to Re: Psychiatry during the Nazi era: ethical lesson, posted by Squiggles on March 27, 2007, at 8:46:27
Thanks for posting. Just like the US doctors. A pdoctor is supposed to be independent of when and where he lives (time and society). Yea, right. How many doctors you know have succumbed to the SSRI craze? Next, a pdoctor's ethical values are: autonomy, benefitting patients, doing no harm, and being just. Do you know of any pdoctors that have upheld all 4 ethical values in your case? I have yet to meet one.
Posted by Squiggles on March 30, 2007, at 19:02:36
In reply to Re: Psychiatry during the Nazi era: ethical lesson, posted by DStupid on March 30, 2007, at 17:58:31
> Thanks for posting. Just like the US doctors. A pdoctor is supposed to be independent of when and where he lives (time and society). Yea, right. How many doctors you know have succumbed to the SSRI craze? Next, a pdoctor's ethical values are: autonomy, benefitting patients, doing no harm, and being just. Do you know of any pdoctors that have upheld all 4 ethical values in your case? I have yet to meet one.
I think it is a gross overgeneralizion to compare SSRI suicide cases, and the intentional attempt to change brown eyes to blue with toxic dyes, and limb amputations and burnings to test drugs. Really, many people actually function on SSRIs; i think the captives of the Nazi experimental camps were in torture chambers.
Squiggles
Posted by DStupid on March 30, 2007, at 21:06:33
In reply to Re: Psychiatry during the Nazi era: ethical lesson, posted by Squiggles on March 30, 2007, at 19:02:36
Squiggles, I think you're equating general doctors with psychiatrists. The article in question is devoted exclusively to psychiatrists, not general doctors. Most (if not all) psychiatrists didn't work in the extermination camps. Rather, they provided the so-called scientic basis for Nazi's euthanasia of the mental ill and the sterilization of the inferior races. This was done in disregard of the immutable ethical principles of medical profession. I equated the Nazi psychiatrists' violation of these ethical principles to the present-day violations of the same ethical principles by modern psychiatrists. Yes, Nazi's violations were extreme and resulted in the death of thousands of people, which pales compared to the size of the SSRI suicides. Yet on a smaller scale, an unfortunate analogy to the modern-day conditions can be drawn.
Posted by med_empowered on March 31, 2007, at 3:53:49
In reply to Re: Psychiatry during the Nazi era: ethical lesson, posted by DStupid on March 30, 2007, at 21:06:33
I think psychiatry is unique in that the "doctors" who practice it can function as agents of social control, and often do. The lessons of the Nazi-era won't be fully "learned" until we stop letting shrinks lock people up and forcibly drug "patients" who want nothing to do with them or their system.
Posted by Squiggles on March 31, 2007, at 7:23:16
In reply to Re: Psychiatry during the Nazi era: ethical lesson, posted by DStupid on March 30, 2007, at 21:06:33
> Squiggles, I think you're equating general doctors with psychiatrists. The article in question is devoted exclusively to psychiatrists, not general doctors. Most (if not all) psychiatrists didn't work in the extermination camps. Rather, they provided the so-called scientic basis for Nazi's euthanasia of the mental ill and the sterilization of the inferior races.
..........I'm not sure that they were mostly psychiatrists:
http://www.webster.edu/~woolflm/nazidocsandothers.html
Squiggles
Posted by Squiggles on March 31, 2007, at 9:15:21
In reply to Re: Psychiatry during the Nazi era: ethical lesson, posted by DStupid on March 30, 2007, at 17:58:31
Psychology, not psychiatry was the driving
force behind Nazi propaganda, in full knowledge
that appeal or coercion of emotions rather than cognitive ability was more powerful in brainwashing and convincing.See: (search key words as there is a copyright)
GERMAN PROPAGANDA ARCHIVE:
"Political Propaganda"
by Schulze-Wezhsugen
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also this work:
http://www.cambridge.org/uk/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=0521332974
Posted by Squiggles on April 1, 2007, at 15:56:28
In reply to Re: Psychiatry during the Nazi era: ethical lesson, posted by DStupid on March 30, 2007, at 17:58:31
I think that i'm not the only person who
immediately associates a symptom with the
medication taken. Infact, other factors
such as environment may play a role. Dr.
Schou wrote in his guide booklet to always
look at your environment and situation, diet
etc. before drawing conclusions about the
effect of lithium.We live in a cold climate for a very long winter.
The windows are closed every day, regardless of cooking, pet dander, etc. The same goes for the office buildings which are airtight.So, this hypersomnia thing-- i wonder if it is not due to an accumulation of CO2 and not the drugs, or at least co-causal.
I'm airing our place now and spring cleaning, and wonder if the naps will be less irresistable.
One question though: say that it is so, in office buildings, does that mean that you would only get the symptoms while IN the building or when you exit as well.
Tx for reading, and i will get back on this if i see a change.
Squiggles
Posted by DStupid on April 1, 2007, at 21:00:32
In reply to Re: Psychiatry during the Nazi era: ethical lesson, posted by Squiggles on March 31, 2007, at 9:15:21
Squiggles, thank you for the link.
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