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Posted by football on March 23, 2007, at 14:52:41
I've been on an supposedly-effective Nardil dosage level for about two weeks.
I feel more depressed then ever right now and have had no relief to my anxiety either.
I'm gonna give it a couple more weeks, but if it doesn't provide some relief, I think I'm done with the endless medication experiments and therapy.
A human being can only tolerate this for so long, and I'm near my breaking point.
At least there is some option that is effective 100% of the time...
Posted by UGottaHaveHope on March 23, 2007, at 14:58:39
In reply to At what point is it just time to give up?, posted by football on March 23, 2007, at 14:52:41
From reading about the experience of others on this board, it usually takes around 3-4 weeks for Nardil to kick in. Or you could increase the dose, like many do, also.
Dont forget, when all else, fails try Ultram, which was a miracle for BlueBerry1.
Posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2007, at 16:36:50
In reply to Re: At what point is it just time to give up? » football, posted by UGottaHaveHope on March 23, 2007, at 14:58:39
Michael where is blueberry and is it still working for him? Love Phillipa
Posted by Jedi on March 24, 2007, at 12:48:21
In reply to At what point is it just time to give up?, posted by football on March 23, 2007, at 14:52:41
Hi,
Two weeks at an effective Nardil dose is almost never enough for it to kick in. After four to six weeks, if it does work for you, it can be like flipping a switch. I went from being hopeless and near death to alive and well; seemed like overnight.If Nardil doesn't do the job for you there are many combinations of medications that work for some people. I've been on 45+ different combinations of meds. Sometimes you feel like a rat in a cage but keep trying. If all else fails, there is ECT. I'm saving that one for the last resort, if everything else quits working.
Never give up! There are a lot of us in the same boat. People do care.
Good Luck,
Jedi> I've been on an supposedly-effective Nardil dosage level for about two weeks.
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> I feel more depressed then ever right now and have had no relief to my anxiety either.
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> I'm gonna give it a couple more weeks, but if it doesn't provide some relief, I think I'm done with the endless medication experiments and therapy.
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> A human being can only tolerate this for so long, and I'm near my breaking point.
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> At least there is some option that is effective 100% of the time...
Posted by Racer on March 24, 2007, at 13:53:44
In reply to At what point is it just time to give up?, posted by football on March 23, 2007, at 14:52:41
I know it don't help none, but you know what? I went through FOUR YEARS of Medication Go Round, and a lot of "this just ain't worth it," and suddenly I feel better and you know what? I don't care what I had to go through to get here. It just feels good.
So, even when there's a "no hope" loop going, there's still hope.
Good luck. I hope the Nardil turns out to work for you, and that you give it time to work its magic.
Posted by stargazer on March 24, 2007, at 18:04:56
In reply to At what point is it just time to give up?, posted by football on March 23, 2007, at 14:52:41
Same here as jedi and racer...I've been in and out of depression for 20+ years and if I'm still here there must be something worth fighting for although many times it didn't seem like it. Right now I'm starting (after 5 months) to get a glimmer of effect with the Abilify added just 4 days ago to Emsam, which I have been on for 5 mos, so It's been a struggle.
Are you feeling like you might hurt yourself? That would be a signal to call your pdoc to let him or her know this. There may be something that can be done with your meds to decrease that effect while waiting for something to happen. AD's can worsen depression in some people. I know, I had it happen to me while taking Zoloft, so not every med is helpful for everyone.
Also a worsening of depression is never a good sign so I would say let your doc know anyway. Stay safe OK?
Stargazer
Posted by chiron on March 24, 2007, at 21:23:07
In reply to At what point is it just time to give up?, posted by football on March 23, 2007, at 14:52:41
I am sorry for your pain. I am f* discouraged myself. My only remaining options are maintenance ECT or VNS. And ECT requires so many work days off, not to mention the lost memories. ECT has worked a couple of times for me, but will it again? VNS has a low success rate & takes a long time if it does actually work.
I CANNOT LIVE FEELING LIKE THIS. I feel crazy, empty, anxious, hating every moment. There is no solution. I wish I had the guts to do the ultimate.
Posted by Ines on March 26, 2007, at 11:35:29
In reply to At what point is it just time to give up?, posted by football on March 23, 2007, at 14:52:41
Hi football,
I know it's so hard to be patient when you are feeling really crap, but try to give the medication enough time to work- you never know, it might be the one that works for you and you'll only know if you stick it out. I don't know about Nardil, but other AD medications can make you feel worse before you feel better. Maybe you should talk to your pdoc if you are getting much worse, maybe he can help with something to taper those effects while they last. I got quite a bit worse when I started reboxetine- more anxiety and a lot of suicidal feelings. Anxiety getting worse when depression already bad is a really bad combo and at times caused despair in me. I know how awful it feels when you try something new and end up feeling worse- but try to remember that Nardil has worked wonders for many people- if it does for you too it will all have been worth it.
Take good care, Ines
Posted by UGottaHaveHope on March 26, 2007, at 12:37:13
In reply to Re: At what point is it just time to give up? » football, posted by Ines on March 26, 2007, at 11:35:29
Man, there are new meds coming out all the time. And also, read this board very closely, as ppl continue to find new med combos that work (100s of those). Also there may be a med like Ultram that you never thought to try staring you right in the face. Read below (if anyone shouldve given up hope, it was Blueberry. Miracles can happen for you too).
For all the hopeless out there, please read this post a few weeks ago from Blueberry. It's one of the greatest ever on this board. Think outside the box, folks!Note: I take a MAOI, and adding Ultram would probably be very bad. Seek advice from your medical professional ... or ask Blueberry
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FROM BLUEBERRY1
> To answer your questions and share my thoughts with all here...
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> Tramadol is about 75% relief of depression, fear, and anxiety parts of the day, and 100% relief at random times of the day. Anxiety...I used to sit in the break room at work, silent and in fear. Now I sit comfortably and actually talk with people. The following is a list of things I could previously not do, but I do now with even a tad of enthusiasm...cooking, cleaning, laundry, grocery shopping, working, taking care of family members, being in conversations with people, smiling sometimes, watching TV, playing guitar, stuff like that.
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> What made me try it was comments from others at remedyfind.com, askapatient.com, and here. So many people (mileage does vary) said they had tried everything, and that nothing compared remotely to tramadol. Side effects first day were insomnia. Second day the opposite, somnolence. Third day and continuing, delayed orgasm and that's it. No other side effects. Sex drive seems a bit stronger.
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> Unlike everything else, it did not make me worse right away. It kicked in on day 3. I am not taking any other drugs with it. Just 25mg once a day. Also take a spoonful of cod liver oil and a multivitamin. I want a new vitamin without copper because I have read that copper is one of the most toxic unrecognized common nutrients involved with psychiatric disorders. Almost all have copper. Geez.
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> After piss-poor care from 5 psychiatrists, 2 GPS, and a specialty nurse practioner, I gave up on them. After thousands of dollars and 10 years I had no progress to show, and actually significant deterioration instead. Tramadol was my own decision and pretty much a last resort. Since all norepinephrine drugs make me much much worse, I expected bad things. I was surprised.
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> Tramadol's opioid action is in question because opioid blockers do not completely block it. Plus, I feel no euphoria, buzz, or rush at all. I also wonder about it's snri action, because ssris and snris take weeks to work, but tramadol works in hours or days instead.
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> Tolerance and dependence are issues. But this whole board deals with those issues with every drug known to man. To hopefully keep those risks at bay I'm reading what longtime users have done. Some stay with the same constant dose year after year with no probs. Some take a day or two off each week.
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> Prozac, lexapro, depakote, lithium, zoloft, cymbalta, zyprexa, seroquel, st johns wort, xanax, klonopin, lorazepam, adrafinil, provigil, ritalin, adderall, amisulpride, tianeptine, milnacipran, and I know I forgot a handful of them...oh yeah, ECT also...none even come close to comparing to tramadol. Matter of fact, they all made me worse real fast. Tram is the standalone one that did not.
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> I must give credit where it is truly due. It does not belong to tramadol, a doctor, or me. It belongs 100% to God of the Bible. This probably should be on the spiritual board. Spiritual warfare is very real, very powerful, and constantly in motion. One prayer in the morning is like shooting a rifle once in the morning during a war and that's it for the day. God wants me, us, to surrender to Him completely and lay it all at His feet. He wants to show us His glory and power. But we have to submit our total weakness, obey, and whole-heartedly welcome His Holy Spirit to dwell with us in every moment. Constant prayer is more help than any drug.
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