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Posted by liliths on March 13, 2007, at 16:29:28
In reply to Tianeptine, posted by elanor roosevelt on March 11, 2007, at 21:33:31
hi elanor
I started to write you when I first read this but then saw you were sick of thinking about your meds so I held off... but I decided I did want to tell you I seemed to have had a very similar experience with the tianeptine and I didn't realize that was probably causing it until I read your post.
Like you I've noticed I've become REALLY easily angered or so overwhelmed I'll start crying. I was wondering what was doing it and never suspected the tianpetine considering what everyone else has reported. But I'm already so damn crazy I didn't appreciate suddenly losing it in public!!
anyway, just wanted you to know I seemed to have had the same reaction to the drug.
And yes, the depression is ever present!
be well :)
namaste,
lilith> I just stopped the Tianeptine to see which, that or the Adderall had shortened my already too short fuse. I was getting argumentive and them teary at times. It was the Tianeptine for sure. I can't do that for 6 or 7 weeks waiting for an improvement.
> I am doing well on the Adderall in many ways and I can laugh at times. But the depression is lurking.
> Thinking about trying the Tianeptine at night. Gonna give it a bit of thought for a while. Need to get on with things besides figuring out my f*cking meds. Good luck to all.
Posted by elanor roosevelt on March 13, 2007, at 23:16:41
In reply to Re: Tianeptine » elanor roosevelt, posted by liliths on March 13, 2007, at 16:29:28
i'm sorry to hear you had the same problem with the tianeptine. the irritability was a nightmare and getting out of bed in the morning almost impossible. i thought it was the adderall but no. i was so hoping the tianeptine would work. i had even ordered more. for now i am working on the adderall and productivity. some people get by on the mood elevation for a while.
what are you trying next?
hi elanor
>
> I started to write you when I first read this but then saw you were sick of thinking about your meds so I held off... but I decided I did want to tell you I seemed to have had a very similar experience with the tianeptine and I didn't realize that was probably causing it until I read your post.
>
> Like you I've noticed I've become REALLY easily angered or so overwhelmed I'll start crying. I was wondering what was doing it and never suspected the tianpetine considering what everyone else has reported. But I'm already so damn crazy I didn't appreciate suddenly losing it in public!!
>
> anyway, just wanted you to know I seemed to have had the same reaction to the drug.
>
> And yes, the depression is ever present!
>
> be well :)
>
> namaste,
> lilith
>
> > I just stopped the Tianeptine to see which, that or the Adderall had shortened my already too short fuse. I was getting argumentive and them teary at times. It was the Tianeptine for sure. I can't do that for 6 or 7 weeks waiting for an improvement.
> > I am doing well on the Adderall in many ways and I can laugh at times. But the depression is lurking.
> > Thinking about trying the Tianeptine at night. Gonna give it a bit of thought for a while. Need to get on with things besides figuring out my f*cking meds. Good luck to all.
>
>
Posted by liliths on March 14, 2007, at 6:42:45
In reply to Re: Tianeptine, posted by elanor roosevelt on March 13, 2007, at 23:16:41
hi elanor
it's SO frustrating, isn't it? Like you, I really had my hopes pinned on the tianeptine. But I will say it was at least a relief to discover they were most likely causing those intense mood swings - mad to sad to mad to sad to mad - ad nauseum
I absolutely hate this... and then when I read the posts about how the medications themselves have probably contributed to how bad I am now, I tend to agree with them. I'd always gone off and on meds - usually because the side effects were awful - nothing really seemed to work and my depression seemed to have a life of its own - some years it wasn't there then boom!, it'd strike. But now I've been on them for over 5 years and I can honestly say I'm far worse than ever.
Though I can't see myself going off the ADD meds - so basically all I'm taking right now is the focalin xr and klonopin.
And I take a lot of supplements. Extra magnesium and a lot of vitamins, amino acids, stuff to help control cortisol levels etc
I also just started some nootropics - piracetam & vinopectine - they supposedly enhance brain function and cognition. I have plenty of piracetam & I'll probably just use them both till they're finished. So far I don't feel anything. Still dumb as a rock LOL so I don't know if I'll re-order
So like you, I guess I'm hoping if I can gain some functionality, I can at least feel a little better. As is it, I spend more time wishing I were dead, since it's all too apparent I don't know how to live and I'm so damn tired of this perpetual torture. I'm sick of watching myself go down the toilet
I have considered re-introducing 100mg wellbutrin back into my afternoon meds but I don't know if it's worth it. I've also been wondering whether something like Aricept might help. Again, I'm thinking about functionality improving my mood because I'm at the point where I don't think they make a med that's going to improve my mood for me. I think I'm too immersed in 'depressive habits' and the truth is, without changing your behavior, nothing will really help. But it is one of those chicken & egg things. If my mood improved, would my behavior return to suuport it or am I so used to feeling awful, I wouldn't know how to act on it. I don't know anymore
I'm so fed up trying to 'fix' myself. I know I need more structure... that alone would help. But instead, I spend each day frozen... sitting and rocking and freaking out because I can't take any steps forward.
I apologize for how negative this post is. I'm sure you wished you'd never written now - ooohhhh.. that's self-pity for sure LOL I will say at least I've retained some small molecule of seeing just how ridiculous I've become and can occasionally step back and laugh at myself. For whatever that's worth :)
what are you planning on trying next?
I wish you well :))))))
namaste,
lilith> i'm sorry to hear you had the same problem with the tianeptine. the irritability was a nightmare and getting out of bed in the morning almost impossible. i thought it was the adderall but no. i was so hoping the tianeptine would work. i had even ordered more. for now i am working on the adderall and productivity. some people get by on the mood elevation for a while.
>
> what are you trying next?
>
>
> hi elanor
> >
> > I started to write you when I first read this but then saw you were sick of thinking about your meds so I held off... but I decided I did want to tell you I seemed to have had a very similar experience with the tianeptine and I didn't realize that was probably causing it until I read your post.
> >
> > Like you I've noticed I've become REALLY easily angered or so overwhelmed I'll start crying. I was wondering what was doing it and never suspected the tianpetine considering what everyone else has reported. But I'm already so damn crazy I didn't appreciate suddenly losing it in public!!
> >
> > anyway, just wanted you to know I seemed to have had the same reaction to the drug.
> >
> > And yes, the depression is ever present!
> >
> > be well :)
> >
> > namaste,
> > lilith
> >
> > > I just stopped the Tianeptine to see which, that or the Adderall had shortened my already too short fuse. I was getting argumentive and them teary at times. It was the Tianeptine for sure. I can't do that for 6 or 7 weeks waiting for an improvement.
> > > I am doing well on the Adderall in many ways and I can laugh at times. But the depression is lurking.
> > > Thinking about trying the Tianeptine at night. Gonna give it a bit of thought for a while. Need to get on with things besides figuring out my f*cking meds. Good luck to all.
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by dav on March 14, 2007, at 8:37:39
In reply to Re: Tianeptine » elanor roosevelt, posted by liliths on March 14, 2007, at 6:42:45
Sorry you're feeling so bad lilith but that is classical depressive thinking caused by your depression and when your depression lifts you will think positively as naturally as you think badly whilst depressed. Just try to never indulge in it and try to keep your humour and do things just to make yourself happy.
Have you tried combination therapy?
Mirtazapine + SSRI
Mirtazapine + wellbruin or othersThey seem to be significantly better, i am currently on mirtazapine + tianeptine and will give this another 4 or 5 weeks (making a total of 6 or 7weeks) before i try mirtazapine+ssri. The mirtazapine keeps my mood good but concentration is a problem. Does the adderall keep you with good concentration or do you bulid tolerance to attention improving effects?
> hi elanor
>
> it's SO frustrating, isn't it? Like you, I really had my hopes pinned on the tianeptine. But I will say it was at least a relief to discover they were most likely causing those intense mood swings - mad to sad to mad to sad to mad - ad nauseum
>
> I absolutely hate this... and then when I read the posts about how the medications themselves have probably contributed to how bad I am now, I tend to agree with them. I'd always gone off and on meds - usually because the side effects were awful - nothing really seemed to work and my depression seemed to have a life of its own - some years it wasn't there then boom!, it'd strike. But now I've been on them for over 5 years and I can honestly say I'm far worse than ever.
>
> Though I can't see myself going off the ADD meds - so basically all I'm taking right now is the focalin xr and klonopin.
>
> And I take a lot of supplements. Extra magnesium and a lot of vitamins, amino acids, stuff to help control cortisol levels etc
>
> I also just started some nootropics - piracetam & vinopectine - they supposedly enhance brain function and cognition. I have plenty of piracetam & I'll probably just use them both till they're finished. So far I don't feel anything. Still dumb as a rock LOL so I don't know if I'll re-order
>
> So like you, I guess I'm hoping if I can gain some functionality, I can at least feel a little better. As is it, I spend more time wishing I were dead, since it's all too apparent I don't know how to live and I'm so damn tired of this perpetual torture. I'm sick of watching myself go down the toilet
>
> I have considered re-introducing 100mg wellbutrin back into my afternoon meds but I don't know if it's worth it. I've also been wondering whether something like Aricept might help. Again, I'm thinking about functionality improving my mood because I'm at the point where I don't think they make a med that's going to improve my mood for me. I think I'm too immersed in 'depressive habits' and the truth is, without changing your behavior, nothing will really help. But it is one of those chicken & egg things. If my mood improved, would my behavior return to suuport it or am I so used to feeling awful, I wouldn't know how to act on it. I don't know anymore
>
> I'm so fed up trying to 'fix' myself. I know I need more structure... that alone would help. But instead, I spend each day frozen... sitting and rocking and freaking out because I can't take any steps forward.
>
> I apologize for how negative this post is. I'm sure you wished you'd never written now - ooohhhh.. that's self-pity for sure LOL I will say at least I've retained some small molecule of seeing just how ridiculous I've become and can occasionally step back and laugh at myself. For whatever that's worth :)
>
> what are you planning on trying next?
>
> I wish you well :))))))
>
> namaste,
> lilith
>
> > i'm sorry to hear you had the same problem with the tianeptine. the irritability was a nightmare and getting out of bed in the morning almost impossible. i thought it was the adderall but no. i was so hoping the tianeptine would work. i had even ordered more. for now i am working on the adderall and productivity. some people get by on the mood elevation for a while.
> >
> > what are you trying next?
> >
> >
> > hi elanor
> > >
> > > I started to write you when I first read this but then saw you were sick of thinking about your meds so I held off... but I decided I did want to tell you I seemed to have had a very similar experience with the tianeptine and I didn't realize that was probably causing it until I read your post.
> > >
> > > Like you I've noticed I've become REALLY easily angered or so overwhelmed I'll start crying. I was wondering what was doing it and never suspected the tianpetine considering what everyone else has reported. But I'm already so damn crazy I didn't appreciate suddenly losing it in public!!
> > >
> > > anyway, just wanted you to know I seemed to have had the same reaction to the drug.
> > >
> > > And yes, the depression is ever present!
> > >
> > > be well :)
> > >
> > > namaste,
> > > lilith
> > >
> > > > I just stopped the Tianeptine to see which, that or the Adderall had shortened my already too short fuse. I was getting argumentive and them teary at times. It was the Tianeptine for sure. I can't do that for 6 or 7 weeks waiting for an improvement.
> > > > I am doing well on the Adderall in many ways and I can laugh at times. But the depression is lurking.
> > > > Thinking about trying the Tianeptine at night. Gonna give it a bit of thought for a while. Need to get on with things besides figuring out my f*cking meds. Good luck to all.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by liliths on March 14, 2007, at 10:27:58
In reply to Re: Tianeptine, posted by dav on March 14, 2007, at 8:37:39
hi dav
thanks for writing.
oh, I've tried so many combinations, I've basically given up. Feels like I've tried just about everything at some time or another but honestly, most of the side effects alone offset any good. I'd end up on more pills to combat the side effects... it's ridiculous
unfortunately, I've got a lot of external forces imposing their own depression & stress on me right now - it's hard enough when it's just coming from my brain but when everything in my life starts turning to crap, I just don't have the resources to fight anymore
there are old threads about some of my battles with the state and I've got health problems I can't afford, friends have died... the list just seems to go on & on... too much bad stuff happening TO me, too much bad stuff happening around me, too much bad stuff happening INSIDE me.
And let's not even get into the state of the world LOL that alone makes me wish I were dead
I really wish I didn't care so much about the mess I'd leave behind. But I do. And I won't do anything to myself unless I've got everything in order and taken care of. And that includes my aging cat, who's totally dependent on me. We lost her sister in June and it near killed us both. But she pulled through and I won't leave her.
so in the meantime, I just hope I somehow pull out of this nosedive.
you're thinking of elanor - she takes adderall - I take focalin XR - I do have ADD (and I fought that diagnosis LOL but the meds do make a difference) I haven't found I've built up any tolerance but I need to "do" something to appreciate it and I'm living in an unstructured hell. Though it's what allows me to even post to this board. Otherwise I think I'd just be incapable of anything
I seem to be stuck in that awful "frozen" state most of the time... it's literally driving me crazy! I'm so lost to myself
anyway, sorry for whining - unfortunately it's about all I do these days - I may need to take a break from posting or emailing simply because I can't stand my own content
I miss laughing... I really miss living
thanks again for caring enough to post
namaste,
lilith> Sorry you're feeling so bad lilith but that is classical depressive thinking caused by your depression and when your depression lifts you will think positively as naturally as you think badly whilst depressed. Just try to never indulge in it and try to keep your humour and do things just to make yourself happy.
>
> Have you tried combination therapy?
>
> Mirtazapine + SSRI
> Mirtazapine + wellbruin or others
>
> They seem to be significantly better, i am currently on mirtazapine + tianeptine and will give this another 4 or 5 weeks (making a total of 6 or 7weeks) before i try mirtazapine+ssri. The mirtazapine keeps my mood good but concentration is a problem. Does the adderall keep you with good concentration or do you bulid tolerance to attention improving effects?
>
>
> > hi elanor
> >
> > it's SO frustrating, isn't it? Like you, I really had my hopes pinned on the tianeptine. But I will say it was at least a relief to discover they were most likely causing those intense mood swings - mad to sad to mad to sad to mad - ad nauseum
> >
> > I absolutely hate this... and then when I read the posts about how the medications themselves have probably contributed to how bad I am now, I tend to agree with them. I'd always gone off and on meds - usually because the side effects were awful - nothing really seemed to work and my depression seemed to have a life of its own - some years it wasn't there then boom!, it'd strike. But now I've been on them for over 5 years and I can honestly say I'm far worse than ever.
> >
> > Though I can't see myself going off the ADD meds - so basically all I'm taking right now is the focalin xr and klonopin.
> >
> > And I take a lot of supplements. Extra magnesium and a lot of vitamins, amino acids, stuff to help control cortisol levels etc
> >
> > I also just started some nootropics - piracetam & vinopectine - they supposedly enhance brain function and cognition. I have plenty of piracetam & I'll probably just use them both till they're finished. So far I don't feel anything. Still dumb as a rock LOL so I don't know if I'll re-order
> >
> > So like you, I guess I'm hoping if I can gain some functionality, I can at least feel a little better. As is it, I spend more time wishing I were dead, since it's all too apparent I don't know how to live and I'm so damn tired of this perpetual torture. I'm sick of watching myself go down the toilet
> >
> > I have considered re-introducing 100mg wellbutrin back into my afternoon meds but I don't know if it's worth it. I've also been wondering whether something like Aricept might help. Again, I'm thinking about functionality improving my mood because I'm at the point where I don't think they make a med that's going to improve my mood for me. I think I'm too immersed in 'depressive habits' and the truth is, without changing your behavior, nothing will really help. But it is one of those chicken & egg things. If my mood improved, would my behavior return to suuport it or am I so used to feeling awful, I wouldn't know how to act on it. I don't know anymore
> >
> > I'm so fed up trying to 'fix' myself. I know I need more structure... that alone would help. But instead, I spend each day frozen... sitting and rocking and freaking out because I can't take any steps forward.
> >
> > I apologize for how negative this post is. I'm sure you wished you'd never written now - ooohhhh.. that's self-pity for sure LOL I will say at least I've retained some small molecule of seeing just how ridiculous I've become and can occasionally step back and laugh at myself. For whatever that's worth :)
> >
> > what are you planning on trying next?
> >
> > I wish you well :))))))
> >
> > namaste,
> > lilith
> >
> > > i'm sorry to hear you had the same problem with the tianeptine. the irritability was a nightmare and getting out of bed in the morning almost impossible. i thought it was the adderall but no. i was so hoping the tianeptine would work. i had even ordered more. for now i am working on the adderall and productivity. some people get by on the mood elevation for a while.
> > >
> > > what are you trying next?
> > >
> > >
> > > hi elanor
> > > >
> > > > I started to write you when I first read this but then saw you were sick of thinking about your meds so I held off... but I decided I did want to tell you I seemed to have had a very similar experience with the tianeptine and I didn't realize that was probably causing it until I read your post.
> > > >
> > > > Like you I've noticed I've become REALLY easily angered or so overwhelmed I'll start crying. I was wondering what was doing it and never suspected the tianpetine considering what everyone else has reported. But I'm already so damn crazy I didn't appreciate suddenly losing it in public!!
> > > >
> > > > anyway, just wanted you to know I seemed to have had the same reaction to the drug.
> > > >
> > > > And yes, the depression is ever present!
> > > >
> > > > be well :)
> > > >
> > > > namaste,
> > > > lilith
> > > >
> > > > > I just stopped the Tianeptine to see which, that or the Adderall had shortened my already too short fuse. I was getting argumentive and them teary at times. It was the Tianeptine for sure. I can't do that for 6 or 7 weeks waiting for an improvement.
> > > > > I am doing well on the Adderall in many ways and I can laugh at times. But the depression is lurking.
> > > > > Thinking about trying the Tianeptine at night. Gonna give it a bit of thought for a while. Need to get on with things besides figuring out my f*cking meds. Good luck to all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by dav on March 14, 2007, at 11:50:20
In reply to Re: Tianeptine » dav, posted by liliths on March 14, 2007, at 10:27:58
When I was at my lowest point I smoked a lot of cannabis along with taking my partialy effective regular antidepressant mirtazapine along with friends who smoked too. For months we used to get together and just smoke and have fun and laugh. This I believe really got me through some difficult times (alcoholic father and sister dying) and made me remember that life is worth living and the world can be a caring good place. I don't know what I would have done without that but I guess my depression would have been far worse. I have a bi-polar friend who takes cannabis daily and lithium and is now back at uni. Before he was off the rails and drinking himself to oblivion. I not saying cannabis is the answer but staying high for few months helped me a lot. Life and emotions aren't rationale and sometimes I just needed to get high, back then it was the best way to make me realise that whatever problems i had it was nothing as I was in bliss when high and for problems that can't be solved (other people or tragic events), ignoaring them (by getting high) and letting time solve them was the best solution.
> hi dav
>
> thanks for writing.
>
> oh, I've tried so many combinations, I've basically given up. Feels like I've tried just about everything at some time or another but honestly, most of the side effects alone offset any good. I'd end up on more pills to combat the side effects... it's ridiculous
>
> unfortunately, I've got a lot of external forces imposing their own depression & stress on me right now - it's hard enough when it's just coming from my brain but when everything in my life starts turning to crap, I just don't have the resources to fight anymore
>
> there are old threads about some of my battles with the state and I've got health problems I can't afford, friends have died... the list just seems to go on & on... too much bad stuff happening TO me, too much bad stuff happening around me, too much bad stuff happening INSIDE me.
>
> And let's not even get into the state of the world LOL that alone makes me wish I were dead
>
> I really wish I didn't care so much about the mess I'd leave behind. But I do. And I won't do anything to myself unless I've got everything in order and taken care of. And that includes my aging cat, who's totally dependent on me. We lost her sister in June and it near killed us both. But she pulled through and I won't leave her.
>
> so in the meantime, I just hope I somehow pull out of this nosedive.
>
> you're thinking of elanor - she takes adderall - I take focalin XR - I do have ADD (and I fought that diagnosis LOL but the meds do make a difference) I haven't found I've built up any tolerance but I need to "do" something to appreciate it and I'm living in an unstructured hell. Though it's what allows me to even post to this board. Otherwise I think I'd just be incapable of anything
>
> I seem to be stuck in that awful "frozen" state most of the time... it's literally driving me crazy! I'm so lost to myself
>
> anyway, sorry for whining - unfortunately it's about all I do these days - I may need to take a break from posting or emailing simply because I can't stand my own content
>
> I miss laughing... I really miss living
>
> thanks again for caring enough to post
>
> namaste,
> lilith
>
> > Sorry you're feeling so bad lilith but that is classical depressive thinking caused by your depression and when your depression lifts you will think positively as naturally as you think badly whilst depressed. Just try to never indulge in it and try to keep your humour and do things just to make yourself happy.
> >
> > Have you tried combination therapy?
> >
> > Mirtazapine + SSRI
> > Mirtazapine + wellbruin or others
> >
> > They seem to be significantly better, i am currently on mirtazapine + tianeptine and will give this another 4 or 5 weeks (making a total of 6 or 7weeks) before i try mirtazapine+ssri. The mirtazapine keeps my mood good but concentration is a problem. Does the adderall keep you with good concentration or do you bulid tolerance to attention improving effects?
> >
> >
> > > hi elanor
> > >
> > > it's SO frustrating, isn't it? Like you, I really had my hopes pinned on the tianeptine. But I will say it was at least a relief to discover they were most likely causing those intense mood swings - mad to sad to mad to sad to mad - ad nauseum
> > >
> > > I absolutely hate this... and then when I read the posts about how the medications themselves have probably contributed to how bad I am now, I tend to agree with them. I'd always gone off and on meds - usually because the side effects were awful - nothing really seemed to work and my depression seemed to have a life of its own - some years it wasn't there then boom!, it'd strike. But now I've been on them for over 5 years and I can honestly say I'm far worse than ever.
> > >
> > > Though I can't see myself going off the ADD meds - so basically all I'm taking right now is the focalin xr and klonopin.
> > >
> > > And I take a lot of supplements. Extra magnesium and a lot of vitamins, amino acids, stuff to help control cortisol levels etc
> > >
> > > I also just started some nootropics - piracetam & vinopectine - they supposedly enhance brain function and cognition. I have plenty of piracetam & I'll probably just use them both till they're finished. So far I don't feel anything. Still dumb as a rock LOL so I don't know if I'll re-order
> > >
> > > So like you, I guess I'm hoping if I can gain some functionality, I can at least feel a little better. As is it, I spend more time wishing I were dead, since it's all too apparent I don't know how to live and I'm so damn tired of this perpetual torture. I'm sick of watching myself go down the toilet
> > >
> > > I have considered re-introducing 100mg wellbutrin back into my afternoon meds but I don't know if it's worth it. I've also been wondering whether something like Aricept might help. Again, I'm thinking about functionality improving my mood because I'm at the point where I don't think they make a med that's going to improve my mood for me. I think I'm too immersed in 'depressive habits' and the truth is, without changing your behavior, nothing will really help. But it is one of those chicken & egg things. If my mood improved, would my behavior return to suuport it or am I so used to feeling awful, I wouldn't know how to act on it. I don't know anymore
> > >
> > > I'm so fed up trying to 'fix' myself. I know I need more structure... that alone would help. But instead, I spend each day frozen... sitting and rocking and freaking out because I can't take any steps forward.
> > >
> > > I apologize for how negative this post is. I'm sure you wished you'd never written now - ooohhhh.. that's self-pity for sure LOL I will say at least I've retained some small molecule of seeing just how ridiculous I've become and can occasionally step back and laugh at myself. For whatever that's worth :)
> > >
> > > what are you planning on trying next?
> > >
> > > I wish you well :))))))
> > >
> > > namaste,
> > > lilith
> > >
> > > > i'm sorry to hear you had the same problem with the tianeptine. the irritability was a nightmare and getting out of bed in the morning almost impossible. i thought it was the adderall but no. i was so hoping the tianeptine would work. i had even ordered more. for now i am working on the adderall and productivity. some people get by on the mood elevation for a while.
> > > >
> > > > what are you trying next?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > hi elanor
> > > > >
> > > > > I started to write you when I first read this but then saw you were sick of thinking about your meds so I held off... but I decided I did want to tell you I seemed to have had a very similar experience with the tianeptine and I didn't realize that was probably causing it until I read your post.
> > > > >
> > > > > Like you I've noticed I've become REALLY easily angered or so overwhelmed I'll start crying. I was wondering what was doing it and never suspected the tianpetine considering what everyone else has reported. But I'm already so damn crazy I didn't appreciate suddenly losing it in public!!
> > > > >
> > > > > anyway, just wanted you to know I seemed to have had the same reaction to the drug.
> > > > >
> > > > > And yes, the depression is ever present!
> > > > >
> > > > > be well :)
> > > > >
> > > > > namaste,
> > > > > lilith
> > > > >
> > > > > > I just stopped the Tianeptine to see which, that or the Adderall had shortened my already too short fuse. I was getting argumentive and them teary at times. It was the Tianeptine for sure. I can't do that for 6 or 7 weeks waiting for an improvement.
> > > > > > I am doing well on the Adderall in many ways and I can laugh at times. But the depression is lurking.
> > > > > > Thinking about trying the Tianeptine at night. Gonna give it a bit of thought for a while. Need to get on with things besides figuring out my f*cking meds. Good luck to all.
> > > > >
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Posted by Declan on March 14, 2007, at 18:21:44
In reply to Re: Tianeptine » elanor roosevelt, posted by liliths on March 14, 2007, at 6:42:45
Hello Lillith
My experience of piracetam is that it makes me feel unpleasant.
Vinpocetine is better for me. I notice it quite easily, but don't know that it has much of an effect on mood. It makes me feel a bit clearer.
Posted by elanor roosevelt on March 14, 2007, at 22:43:39
In reply to Re: Tianeptine » elanor roosevelt, posted by liliths on March 14, 2007, at 6:42:45
structure is everything when nothing else is working
gotta keep moving
make detailed lists and check off each task as you go
keep the faith
Posted by liliths on March 15, 2007, at 6:20:11
In reply to Re: Tianeptine, posted by dav on March 14, 2007, at 11:50:20
hi dav
thanks for posting. ahhh.... yes, if only I were one of those people who responded well to cannabis... alas, it doesn't relax me... quite the opposite.. makes me quite literally "SELF" conscious! I climb right inside my head (where I already spend far too much time) and incessantly consider this, ponder that and in general make myself more nuts! LOL Also such self-absorption makes for a tendency towards paranoia (more that such hyper self-absorption makes me excessively self-conscious and insecure than 'paranoid')
anyway, it's just one of those drugs that seems to have a opposite effect on me. Not that I have't had my share of enjoyable experiences with it - though usually it was mixed in with other things. After all, I'm an old lady now and I started when I was 13. So we're talking 35 years ago - oh my! LOL
it also used to give me bad munchies - not good when one is as body dysmorphic about being fat as I am
The last time I tried it, a couple of years ago at a Rainbow gathering, I remember thinking (thinking, thinking, thinking) that at least my current thoughts weren't in themselves bad or negative but that I really wished they'd just shut up and let me relax :). That was in a ganja pancake. I always did prefer to eat it. But whereas most were scarfing them down, I knew to only eat 1/2 and even that was too much - I ate the rest in 1/4's LOL And you couldn't ask for a better environment than a Rainbow gathering. But I ended up re-treating to the sanctuary of my tent and staying by myself.
thanks for trying. I do have a friend who has extremely beautiful buds (I've always adored the smell :) I 'could' try a little again but it's likely I'd end up needing benzos or at least alcohol, to take the edge off, so that sort of defeats the purpose.
you're sweet to be trying to help me. Thank you. On my end, I'm just going through oone of those periods where it just keeps getting worse. Last night, a tooth totally fell apart and I'm already in need of so much dental work I simply can't afford that suicide sometimes seems the only way out of my dental dilemma alone! And we both know that's a ridiculous reason to kill oneself.
and as I'm appealing my case with the dept of health, I have another lovely hearing looming in front of me. In case you're interested, the result of my first hearing is in the middle of a work thread [ http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/work/20061208/msgs/723561.html ] and the rest of the story is in earlier postings on that thread... but I'm adding this only as an aside - I certainly don't expect you to go read up on my crap! really!!! :)
but I sincerely thank you for caring, This board, and many of the people on it, have pretty much become my only real friends these days
namaste,
lilith> When I was at my lowest point I smoked a lot of cannabis along with taking my partialy effective regular antidepressant mirtazapine along with friends who smoked too. For months we used to get together and just smoke and have fun and laugh. This I believe really got me through some difficult times (alcoholic father and sister dying) and made me remember that life is worth living and the world can be a caring good place. I don't know what I would have done without that but I guess my depression would have been far worse. I have a bi-polar friend who takes cannabis daily and lithium and is now back at uni. Before he was off the rails and drinking himself to oblivion. I not saying cannabis is the answer but staying high for few months helped me a lot. Life and emotions aren't rationale and sometimes I just needed to get high, back then it was the best way to make me realise that whatever problems i had it was nothing as I was in bliss when high and for problems that can't be solved (other people or tragic events), ignoaring them (by getting high) and letting time solve them was the best solution.
>
> > hi dav
> >
> > thanks for writing.
> >
> > oh, I've tried so many combinations, I've basically given up. Feels like I've tried just about everything at some time or another but honestly, most of the side effects alone offset any good. I'd end up on more pills to combat the side effects... it's ridiculous
> >
> > unfortunately, I've got a lot of external forces imposing their own depression & stress on me right now - it's hard enough when it's just coming from my brain but when everything in my life starts turning to crap, I just don't have the resources to fight anymore
> >
> > there are old threads about some of my battles with the state and I've got health problems I can't afford, friends have died... the list just seems to go on & on... too much bad stuff happening TO me, too much bad stuff happening around me, too much bad stuff happening INSIDE me.
> >
> > And let's not even get into the state of the world LOL that alone makes me wish I were dead
> >
> > I really wish I didn't care so much about the mess I'd leave behind. But I do. And I won't do anything to myself unless I've got everything in order and taken care of. And that includes my aging cat, who's totally dependent on me. We lost her sister in June and it near killed us both. But she pulled through and I won't leave her.
> >
> > so in the meantime, I just hope I somehow pull out of this nosedive.
> >
> > you're thinking of elanor - she takes adderall - I take focalin XR - I do have ADD (and I fought that diagnosis LOL but the meds do make a difference) I haven't found I've built up any tolerance but I need to "do" something to appreciate it and I'm living in an unstructured hell. Though it's what allows me to even post to this board. Otherwise I think I'd just be incapable of anything
> >
> > I seem to be stuck in that awful "frozen" state most of the time... it's literally driving me crazy! I'm so lost to myself
> >
> > anyway, sorry for whining - unfortunately it's about all I do these days - I may need to take a break from posting or emailing simply because I can't stand my own content
> >
> > I miss laughing... I really miss living
> >
> > thanks again for caring enough to post
> >
> > namaste,
> > lilith
> >
> > > Sorry you're feeling so bad lilith but that is classical depressive thinking caused by your depression and when your depression lifts you will think positively as naturally as you think badly whilst depressed. Just try to never indulge in it and try to keep your humour and do things just to make yourself happy.
> > >
> > > Have you tried combination therapy?
> > >
> > > Mirtazapine + SSRI
> > > Mirtazapine + wellbruin or others
> > >
> > > They seem to be significantly better, i am currently on mirtazapine + tianeptine and will give this another 4 or 5 weeks (making a total of 6 or 7weeks) before i try mirtazapine+ssri. The mirtazapine keeps my mood good but concentration is a problem. Does the adderall keep you with good concentration or do you bulid tolerance to attention improving effects?
> > >
> > >
> > > > hi elanor
> > > >
> > > > it's SO frustrating, isn't it? Like you, I really had my hopes pinned on the tianeptine. But I will say it was at least a relief to discover they were most likely causing those intense mood swings - mad to sad to mad to sad to mad - ad nauseum
> > > >
> > > > I absolutely hate this... and then when I read the posts about how the medications themselves have probably contributed to how bad I am now, I tend to agree with them. I'd always gone off and on meds - usually because the side effects were awful - nothing really seemed to work and my depression seemed to have a life of its own - some years it wasn't there then boom!, it'd strike. But now I've been on them for over 5 years and I can honestly say I'm far worse than ever.
> > > >
> > > > Though I can't see myself going off the ADD meds - so basically all I'm taking right now is the focalin xr and klonopin.
> > > >
> > > > And I take a lot of supplements. Extra magnesium and a lot of vitamins, amino acids, stuff to help control cortisol levels etc
> > > >
> > > > I also just started some nootropics - piracetam & vinopectine - they supposedly enhance brain function and cognition. I have plenty of piracetam & I'll probably just use them both till they're finished. So far I don't feel anything. Still dumb as a rock LOL so I don't know if I'll re-order
> > > >
> > > > So like you, I guess I'm hoping if I can gain some functionality, I can at least feel a little better. As is it, I spend more time wishing I were dead, since it's all too apparent I don't know how to live and I'm so damn tired of this perpetual torture. I'm sick of watching myself go down the toilet
> > > >
> > > > I have considered re-introducing 100mg wellbutrin back into my afternoon meds but I don't know if it's worth it. I've also been wondering whether something like Aricept might help. Again, I'm thinking about functionality improving my mood because I'm at the point where I don't think they make a med that's going to improve my mood for me. I think I'm too immersed in 'depressive habits' and the truth is, without changing your behavior, nothing will really help. But it is one of those chicken & egg things. If my mood improved, would my behavior return to suuport it or am I so used to feeling awful, I wouldn't know how to act on it. I don't know anymore
> > > >
> > > > I'm so fed up trying to 'fix' myself. I know I need more structure... that alone would help. But instead, I spend each day frozen... sitting and rocking and freaking out because I can't take any steps forward.
> > > >
> > > > I apologize for how negative this post is. I'm sure you wished you'd never written now - ooohhhh.. that's self-pity for sure LOL I will say at least I've retained some small molecule of seeing just how ridiculous I've become and can occasionally step back and laugh at myself. For whatever that's worth :)
> > > >
> > > > what are you planning on trying next?
> > > >
> > > > I wish you well :))))))
> > > >
> > > > namaste,
> > > > lilith
> > > >
> > > > > i'm sorry to hear you had the same problem with the tianeptine. the irritability was a nightmare and getting out of bed in the morning almost impossible. i thought it was the adderall but no. i was so hoping the tianeptine would work. i had even ordered more. for now i am working on the adderall and productivity. some people get by on the mood elevation for a while.
> > > > >
> > > > > what are you trying next?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > hi elanor
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I started to write you when I first read this but then saw you were sick of thinking about your meds so I held off... but I decided I did want to tell you I seemed to have had a very similar experience with the tianeptine and I didn't realize that was probably causing it until I read your post.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Like you I've noticed I've become REALLY easily angered or so overwhelmed I'll start crying. I was wondering what was doing it and never suspected the tianpetine considering what everyone else has reported. But I'm already so damn crazy I didn't appreciate suddenly losing it in public!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > anyway, just wanted you to know I seemed to have had the same reaction to the drug.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And yes, the depression is ever present!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > be well :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > namaste,
> > > > > > lilith
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just stopped the Tianeptine to see which, that or the Adderall had shortened my already too short fuse. I was getting argumentive and them teary at times. It was the Tianeptine for sure. I can't do that for 6 or 7 weeks waiting for an improvement.
> > > > > > > I am doing well on the Adderall in many ways and I can laugh at times. But the depression is lurking.
> > > > > > > Thinking about trying the Tianeptine at night. Gonna give it a bit of thought for a while. Need to get on with things besides figuring out my f*cking meds. Good luck to all.
> > > > > >
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Posted by liliths on March 15, 2007, at 6:30:40
In reply to Piracetam and vinpocetine » liliths, posted by Declan on March 14, 2007, at 18:21:44
hi Declan
what exactly do you mean when you say unpleasant?
Could you please me more specific?
What else were you taking at the time and how much were you taking?
I honestly don't know that I feel anything from them. I can't tell. Interestingly, the piracetam bottle suggests taking it with vinpocetine. I know that vinpocetine's a vasodilator, so perhaps it helps the piracetam's efficacy?
I've been feeling so badly that I took a tianeptine this morning with my other meds. Even though it felt it was the culprit in my excessive moodiness, that was taking it 2x daily and I never really 'felt' anything in that second dose.... whereas in the mornings, I'd swear it made me feel a bit better. I figure it's worth a try to see if I still get so cranky. I did try taking it with 200mg SAMe but either my SAMe was too old or it's not a good one for me - both times I felt distincly unpleasant afterwards
nice to hear from you! I hope you're doing well :)
namaste,
lilith> Hello Lillith
>
> My experience of piracetam is that it makes me feel unpleasant.
>
> Vinpocetine is better for me. I notice it quite easily, but don't know that it has much of an effect on mood. It makes me feel a bit clearer.
Posted by liliths on March 15, 2007, at 6:39:46
In reply to Re: Tianeptine, posted by elanor roosevelt on March 14, 2007, at 22:43:39
hi elanor
I know you're right. I make the lists - I just don't do anything on them. I've retreated to spending hours playing cards on the computer while tears of frustration course down my cheek
but I just lost the entire middle of a tooth and in the midst of everything else, this needs to be attended to immediately. If you read my post to dav, I mention ongoing my dental troubles
it just keeps getting worse...
piece by piece, the depression and stress are destroying me
ahh.... for a little faith! I lost mine down some black hole of despair. It's probably hanging with laughter, joy and hope LOL
thank you for the kind words
hope you're doing well or at least better!
Have you decided to replace taineptine with anything or are you doing ok so far on the adderall? Do you take anything else with it? I need a little klonopin to take the edge off the focalin - but I'm prone to anxiety anywaynamaste,
lilith> structure is everything when nothing else is working
>
> gotta keep moving
>
> make detailed lists and check off each task as you go
>
> keep the faith
Posted by elanor roosevelt on March 19, 2007, at 21:58:19
In reply to Re: Tianeptine » elanor roosevelt, posted by liliths on March 15, 2007, at 6:39:46
I just took some 5HTP.
The adderall is, as you know, a mood elevator, but has not anti-depressant powers.
Last week I got the nix on what would have been a 40 week job. i was so confused bc i am so well qualified, it would have been boring as hell and i wanted it badly.stayed in bed with the covers over my head for 16 hours. even told my kid "sorry, i have to check out"
my daughter is going to get her braces off soon -- but not if I don't finish paying the orthodontist.my big thing is getting out of bed at 6 to get my kid off to school.
hate it when i flake out.
there's the list
turn off the alarm
do not get back into bed
get the coffee/breakfast thing going
when kid leaves, leave with her and go to the gym
do not remain behind
do not get into bed
do not hide under the coversliving in nyc makes it easier bc everything is just a quick walk away
and walking
so excellent
such a sense of knowing what i am doing and where I am goingit's the getting out of bed and getting out of the door thing
get some sun on your face
hang in there
Posted by tessellated on March 20, 2007, at 5:03:36
In reply to Re: Tianeptine, posted by elanor roosevelt on March 19, 2007, at 21:58:19
ER,
I liked the affirmative action of your post.
Just a couple comments. It might be wise to be cautious regarding 5HT and amphetamines, as the have, to some degree a MOAinhibiting effect on serotonin.Personally, I've given 5HT several trial runs, and it definitely has a calming effect, but one that makes me practically indifferent, as well as vivid dreams, and naseau.
Just getting going is the hard part.
As well stim's i think have questionable long term receptor down regulation, parnate is the closest thing i'll touch. amphetamines to me seem like a slipknot. i think the psychological withdrawl is in the top 3. personally i don't understand the childhood ADD diagnosis as a justification.just some words,
best,
t8
Posted by sukarno on March 23, 2007, at 6:16:47
In reply to Re: Tianeptine, posted by tessellated on March 20, 2007, at 5:03:36
This medication works very well at 12,5mg 4x/day.
I tried going back to 3x/day but my depression came back.I've noticed positive effects on my mood, less anxiety, improvement in asthma, and less pain. I'm not sure how it helps with pain, but I would guess that depression can cause pain so relieving depression could then help the pain. I also feel more social.
I think it has helped me to concentrate better or learn more, of course, then again, that could just be because the depression is gone.
All of these effects are rather mild and there are almost no side effects apart from the occasional mild dry mouth and temporary nervousness (but no anxiety) when increasing the dose.
Sometimes I swear it puts me to sleep, but I can't quite prove it. It just happens every now and then.
Oh and the dreams. Have any of you have vivid dreams on tianeptine? Very strange dreams and a few nightmares but it is still worth it to continue with this medication. I can tolerate it far, far more than I could tolerate SSRIs or TCAs and I just feel comfortable on it.
:-)
Servier applied for a patent for tianeptine for the treatment of neurological pathologies in 2001. A US patent at that. Very interesting. I wonder if it will be approved by the FDA one of these days. Too bad no generic manufacturers have tried to produce it because I'd love to see lower prices. I pay about 50 cents per tablet from Darya-Varia laboratories, the local manufacturer of Stablon, under license from Servier. It comes in foil strips of 10 tablets each.
When I was in Malaysia I had Stablon in the foil blister packaging..foil on one side and clear plastic on the other where you could see the white elliptical tic-tac shaped pills. Made by Servier..about 15 or 20 tablets per strip, can't remember exactly.
Tianeptine's half-life is very, very short: 2 1/2 hours
Be sure to take it before meals on an empty stomach for maximum bioavailability/absorption.
Does anyone else notice a "see-saw" effect from it? It seems that (probably because of the short half-life) in the mornings when I wake up I feel a bit down until I take a pill. Otherwise the rest of the day I am just feeling fine. :-)
I have tried doses as high as 6 tablets per day, but I really didn't notice much improvement. I've found that, over this two year period, 4 pills per day is the best for me.
A psychiatrist here told me to take it at least 3 times a day because of the short half-life. He said any dose less than that won't work very well.
Of course, everyone is different.
Another good thing about tianeptine/Stablon: No drug interactions as far as I know. I know they tell you not to take them with MAOIs, but very few people take those anyway and I think that's just listed as contraindicated because of tianeptine's tricyclic structure. In reality, the effect of tianeptine has nothing in common with conventional tricyclics. It has a totally different mode of action and is not cardiotoxic or harmful to the libido as with conventional tricyclics (TCAs).
Overall a great medication, especially for those who are sensitive to medications in general. Very few side effects, if any. Gentle. No withdrawal symptoms that I've found either (unlike SSRIs or other ADs)
Good luck with this stuff. I hope more people can try it and report back here. :-)Paul
Posted by liliths on March 23, 2007, at 12:34:38
In reply to Re: Tianeptine, posted by elanor roosevelt on March 19, 2007, at 21:58:19
hi elanor
I lived in manhattan for over 17 years - it will always be 'home' to me and I miss it a lot. My closest friends are still there and before things became so bad for me a few years back, I used to go home at least a couple of times a year.
yes, everything is right there and it's all about walking!
good to hear you sounding so positive. I'm still in some 'stuck' place. Not always as totally horrible but mostly. I've developed all these strange inflammatory problems and am in alot of pain all the time AND have a torn rotator cuff to boot... sigh
sorry to hear about the job but maybe something's just around the corner :)
be well and thanks for the support
namaste,
lilith> I just took some 5HTP.
> The adderall is, as you know, a mood elevator, but has not anti-depressant powers.
> Last week I got the nix on what would have been a 40 week job. i was so confused bc i am so well qualified, it would have been boring as hell and i wanted it badly.stayed in bed with the covers over my head for 16 hours. even told my kid "sorry, i have to check out"
> my daughter is going to get her braces off soon -- but not if I don't finish paying the orthodontist.
>
> my big thing is getting out of bed at 6 to get my kid off to school.
> hate it when i flake out.
> there's the list
> turn off the alarm
> do not get back into bed
> get the coffee/breakfast thing going
> when kid leaves, leave with her and go to the gym
> do not remain behind
> do not get into bed
> do not hide under the covers
>
> living in nyc makes it easier bc everything is just a quick walk away
>
> and walking
> so excellent
> such a sense of knowing what i am doing and where I am going
>
> it's the getting out of bed and getting out of the door thing
> get some sun on your face
> hang in there
Posted by elanor roosevelt on March 26, 2007, at 0:11:54
In reply to Re: Tianeptine, posted by tessellated on March 20, 2007, at 5:03:36
what about adderall and tryptophan?
ER,
>
> I liked the affirmative action of your post.
> Just a couple comments. It might be wise to be cautious regarding 5HT and amphetamines, as the have, to some degree a MOAinhibiting effect on serotonin.
>
> Personally, I've given 5HT several trial runs, and it definitely has a calming effect, but one that makes me practically indifferent, as well as vivid dreams, and naseau.
>
> Just getting going is the hard part.
> As well stim's i think have questionable long term receptor down regulation, parnate is the closest thing i'll touch. amphetamines to me seem like a slipknot. i think the psychological withdrawl is in the top 3. personally i don't understand the childhood ADD diagnosis as a justification.
>
> just some words,
> best,
> t8
Posted by Jimmyboy on March 26, 2007, at 16:53:54
In reply to Two years on tianeptine (Stablon), posted by sukarno on March 23, 2007, at 6:16:47
I have had a lot of success with my Lithium and Tianeptine combo, but am considering upping my Tianeptine from 3 x day to 4 x day . What times of day do you take it? Is it better to take before or after meals? I usually take it after meals.
Thanks for the info
JB
Posted by sukarno on March 27, 2007, at 3:30:09
In reply to Re: Two years on tianeptine (Stablon) » sukarno, posted by Jimmyboy on March 26, 2007, at 16:53:54
According to Servier's official recommendation - as seen in the product insert - it should be taken before the main meals of the day. I take it 15 to 30 minutes before a meal and find it works better that way. If you take it after a meal, it'll still work, but it won't reach as high a plasma level in the blood.
http://www.tianeptine.com/product-info.html
I take it at 8am, noon, 4pm (or 6pm depending on when I eat dinner) and 8pm (or 10pm). :-) My sleep varies though, so sometimes I wake up late and sleep late (I'm a night owl by nature though..probably delayed sleep phase syndrome).
Do you get tianeptine prescribed to you or do you have to order it from an online pharmacy?
Best wishes,
Paul
Posted by sukarno on March 27, 2007, at 4:25:46
In reply to Re: Two years on tianeptine (Stablon), posted by sukarno on March 27, 2007, at 3:30:09
Apparently, according to this http://www.tianeptine.com/tianeptine-stablon.pdf
"Current patent applications and/or registrations regarding tianeptine have been published for (a) the therapeutic use of tianeptine in the treatment of neurodegenerative pathologies, (b) an original and a “new” process for the synthesis of tianeptine and (c) the pharmaceutical formulation of matrixtype oral sustained-release tablets of tianeptine sodium salt.
These patents have been published in several countries since 1997, including Australia, Austria, Brazil, Canada, China, Denmark, Eurasia, Europe, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Hungary, Japan, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Slovenia, South Africa and the United States of America [18] and is presented in (Table 1)."
I wonder why we haven't seen it yet?
Has anyone seen a sustained-release available?
Thanks in advance! :-)
Paul
Posted by kaleidoscope on March 28, 2007, at 15:17:30
In reply to Stablon sustained-release, posted by sukarno on March 27, 2007, at 4:25:46
Hi Paul
It sounds like an sustained release version would be really useful. Great to hear you're doing well.
Ed_uk
Posted by SaraL on May 13, 2008, at 16:25:24
In reply to SSRI to Tianeptine - side fx, posted by ralphrost on January 31, 2007, at 19:15:59
hi ralph,
i don't know if you're still out there or not. been reading your posts and wondering how you are doing on tianeptine.
i started stablon (tianeptine) 21 days ago and wonder if you can offer guidance. ultimately, how did the med work for you?
thanks!
sara
Posted by SaraL on May 13, 2008, at 16:27:11
In reply to Re: Tianeptine - two weeks, posted by dav on March 9, 2007, at 13:54:30
hi dav,
are you still on tianeptine? i started it 21 days ago and am having mixed results. i'm trying to determine if i should lower or increase the dosage or begin tapering off.
i'd love to hear your feedback about the drug and how it worked for you.
thanks!
sara
Posted by x-tof on May 16, 2008, at 3:58:39
In reply to Re: Tianeptine - two weeks » dav, posted by SaraL on May 13, 2008, at 16:27:11
> hi dav,
>
> are you still on tianeptine? i started it 21 days ago and am having mixed results. i'm trying to determine if i should lower or increase the dosage or begin tapering off.
>
> i'd love to hear your feedback about the drug and how it worked for you.
>
> thanks!
> sara
Hi sara,I'm not Dav, but I do have some experience with Tianeptine.
I have taken it for 2 weeks and I had to quit.I took the normal dose trice a day.
I became more depressed,tired, irritated, my feelings got magnified (when I felt sad or angry, I was extreme sad or angry)... I didn't feel myself anymore. On top of that, my anxiety has never been as bad as then.Before Tianeptine I could survive with just 1mg of Lorazepam a day. With Tianeptine it didn't even had any effect, it was like taking candy but as with the rest of my emotions, my anxiety got extreme as well.
I quit 3 days ago and I feel much better again.
I don't know if this is any help for you, but Tianeptine -although a perfect alternative for many people, didn't do it for me...X-tof
Posted by Treehugger on May 26, 2008, at 14:45:49
In reply to Re: Tianeptine - what positives have you noticed? » Jimmyboy, posted by liliths on February 13, 2007, at 8:52:27
Liliths - I have tried Tianeptine a couple of times and it doesn't work for me. I have also tried Amineptine, and still have some of the real stuff (keep in fridge) it is interesting, but didn't really work consistently for anxiety or depression. Nardil worked for me years ago before the reformulation - I am concerned about trying it again for all the bad effects being talked about by original Nardil users. You haven't posted in awhile - how are you doing & have you found something that works for you?
Posted by liliths on May 27, 2008, at 7:57:26
In reply to Re: Tianeptine - what positives have you noticed? » liliths, posted by Treehugger on May 26, 2008, at 14:45:49
Treehugger... how nice to hear from you. Hard to believe it's been over a year since I posted in this thread... though nothing's changed in my outlook or ability to live.
I just deleted a lot of nonsense that I wrote - my ADD meds allow me to be most communicative early in the day, though I should use the energy to getting things accomplished which will support my staying alive and perhaps pull me out of my vicious depression.
If possible, it's worse... as I've lost all interest in everything - even the things I've thrived on all my life. I can't seem to will myself to do anything these days and feel more and more like I'm about to fall off the edge of the precipice I've been on for so long. Oh I have my 'moments' but they are short lived as there's no structure in my life to support them
and before anyone asks, no... my pdoc won't change my meds - the best I can do is play with what I have and I'm so tired of hoping the 'right' medication will help anyway.
I've pretty much given up... it's why I've been so silent for so long. For those who remember my ordeal with the state over my licensing, I recently requested an early release - hard to believe I've lived under this constant cloud for a year now... but my request was met with silence. I know they know I have no business being monitored regardless of how I'm feeling... I am certainly no threat to anyone else - which is their point for 'watching' me.
But I can't even admit to being depressed as their contract stipulates that they can initiate random drug tests and other invasive procedures - at MY own expense - should my pdoc report that I am not doing well.
Gee, that makes a lot of sense! One of the main points behind this unremitting depression is their interference in my life to begin with. I simply can't bear knowing I'm constantly being watched and monitored.
ok... enough whining and babbling - after all I needn't live up to the psycho-babble name LOL
love to you all - I do hope everyone is in a good place these days
namaste,
liliths
> Liliths - I have tried Tianeptine a couple of times and it doesn't work for me. I have also tried Amineptine, and still have some of the real stuff (keep in fridge) it is interesting, but didn't really work consistently for anxiety or depression. Nardil worked for me years ago before the reformulation - I am concerned about trying it again for all the bad effects being talked about by original Nardil users. You haven't posted in awhile - how are you doing & have you found something that works for you?
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