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Posted by Jeroen on February 16, 2007, at 13:29:29
is bob on geodon? an american anti psychotic,
side effects reported after 1 day of use, a swollen testical like a fist in a child only 12 years old, hospitalized because of that side effect
do you make lot of money to buy geodon?
Posted by Phillipa on February 16, 2007, at 13:39:36
In reply to bob bastard, posted by Jeroen on February 16, 2007, at 13:29:29
Jeroen I know you are mad at this med but Dr. Bob did not give it to you so please write and apologize . Otherwise you will get blocked and I know you don't mean that about him the other quesiton about a six year old don't know. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on February 16, 2007, at 13:41:03
In reply to Re: bob bastard » Jeroen, posted by Phillipa on February 16, 2007, at 13:39:36
Sorry forgot to change the subject line. Love Phillipa . My apologies to everyone
Posted by Jeroen on February 16, 2007, at 13:54:51
In reply to Re:Sorry, posted by Phillipa on February 16, 2007, at 13:41:03
SORRY TO BOB BUT...
he should never have contacted my isp in the first place, thats *sshole activity, the internet is full of them, people trying to jail other people, thats what other webmasters tell, its the new form of criminal activities, this board isnt about crime but healtrheven that those bastard police investigates that, its a consipiracy!
Posted by Jimmyboy on February 16, 2007, at 14:23:57
In reply to SORRY TO BOB BUT..., posted by Jeroen on February 16, 2007, at 13:54:51
I have noticed that you have posted alot recently about "how Dr. Bob is out to get you" and the like...
I guarantee you that he has better things to do up at U of Chicago than closely monitor this board and I think we all know its rare when a psychiatrist personally gives a damn about a patient they see, let alone some anonymous poster halfway across the globe. No one is out to get you , if anything people here are trying to help.
JB
Posted by yxibow on February 16, 2007, at 14:34:04
In reply to bob bastard, posted by Jeroen on February 16, 2007, at 13:29:29
> is bob on geodon? an american anti psychotic,
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> side effects reported after 1 day of use, a swollen testical like a fist in a child only 12 years old, hospitalized because of that side effect
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> do you make lot of money to buy geodon?I've never hear of hypergonadism because of Geodon, but anything is possible. Second of all, side effects will happen after one day of use with Geodon, that's known as EPS and not TD.
If you're not going to listen to my suggestions I can't give any more but you can't continue to rail against Dr. Bob regardless what happened. There was obviously some reason to protect yourself from harm.
I can't continue to help you if you will not listen to my suggestions, but please don't continue with these outbursts no matter how mad you are because you will get blocked from the board and you will not get help like you really need from this community.
Its frustrating to have a major disorder. I know myself. I really don't know anything else to say but to put it in context but that requires rationality.
I wish you well.-- tidings.
Posted by linkadge on February 16, 2007, at 15:17:22
In reply to Re: Jeroen.... » Jeroen, posted by yxibow on February 16, 2007, at 14:34:04
Side effects suck, but what has that got to do with Dr. Bob?
Dr. Bob didn't prescribe Geodon.
If he contacted somebody it is not because he is out to get you, it is because he feels responsable if he thinks somebody is in trouble.
He contacted authorities about me, but it was because he thought I was going to kill myeself, so I can't really stay angry, as he was only trying to help.
Linkadge
Posted by Sebastian on February 16, 2007, at 20:54:46
In reply to SORRY TO BOB BUT..., posted by Jeroen on February 16, 2007, at 13:54:51
Posted by yxibow on February 16, 2007, at 23:15:37
In reply to Re: What ever happened to freedom of speach... (nm), posted by Sebastian on February 16, 2007, at 20:54:46
There is freedom of speech on this board up to a point.
I can say sh*t and crap and f*ck and damn because I have both the nicety filters turned on so the above words will not appear when I post, and I am saying them out of my personal frustration with say, my 5 year illness.
But, the rules of the board like them or not, have to do with civility, and you can read the description of them on the board, they are an acknowledged condition of posting on the board. I don't happen to always like them and if you post on the admin board, as I have from time to time, you can argue about them, again, with civility.
So I can't say you f*cking _____ or f___ you, I think you are a piece of _____. Etc. No further demonstration is necessary.
Some people with a poor grasp of the English language may inadvertently use phrases wrongly, we can understand this, this is a worldwide posting board.
That's why, for better or worse, and sometimes I have doubts, but at any rate, we have deputies who remind us that other people can be hurt by phrasing.
That's the best I can describe it.
Now if you meant freedom of speech as to harm; if Dr. Bob, in a rare moment, believes that someone is not firing off cursewords but actually is going to harm themselves, maybe through direct personal email, as a doctor, while this is an experiment in computer mediated therapy, he has an obligation in the US to report imminent danger of suicide.
Posted by lcat10 on February 16, 2007, at 23:22:02
In reply to What????, posted by Jimmyboy on February 16, 2007, at 14:23:57
Ouch; I think that my psychiatrist I see for med's and therapy (who used to be at the University of Chicago) in private pracrtice and also teaches at NWU plus another psychiatrist I see (at the University of Chicago) do care about me personally and give a damn. Your comment struck me for some reason, probably because I see lots of doc's at the University of Chicago (pulmonary, ENT, gastro, neurosurgery, ortho, gyn, and primary). Plus Dr. Bob did email me back when I was off the deep end and got blocked, and he was encouraging re seeing the pdoc at the University of Chicago. I think he cares about people, but no of course he doesn't sit around thinking about someone all the time. Just struck me, and I had to say I think all of my docs care what happens to me. They have said as much.
Posted by yxibow on February 17, 2007, at 3:05:31
In reply to Re: What???? » Jimmyboy, posted by lcat10 on February 16, 2007, at 23:22:02
> Ouch; I think that my psychiatrist I see for med's and therapy (who used to be at the University of Chicago) in private pracrtice and also teaches at NWU plus another psychiatrist I see (at the University of Chicago) do care about me personally and give a damn. Your comment struck me for some reason, probably because I see lots of doc's at the University of Chicago (pulmonary, ENT, gastro, neurosurgery, ortho, gyn, and primary). Plus Dr. Bob did email me back when I was off the deep end and got blocked, and he was encouraging re seeing the pdoc at the University of Chicago. I think he cares about people, but no of course he doesn't sit around thinking about someone all the time. Just struck me, and I had to say I think all of my docs care what happens to me. They have said as much.
That is inspiring. My doctor also cares about me as well. I am not a number. Yes, therapy is expensive and all of that, but it is a collaborative effort and while, as you note, doctors have their duties and can't devote 24/7 to everyone exclusively, the best psychiatrists are true empaths. They're not just their to collect their check for their malpractice insurance -- they actually want to see you not off yourself, get better.
Doctors are human; if one of their patients committed suicide, you don't know what reaction they might have. If they feel a genuine danger is imminent, it is their ethical and clinical duty to report to the closest authorities that you are in danger of robbing yourself of your life.It is one of the few breaches of doctor-patient confidentiality that is required; the others are imminent danger of killing the president, imminent danger of abusing a minor, and imminent danger of abusing an elder.
Otherwise, everything else lies in the ethical zone and is basically exclusively protected, including god forbid revealing if you killed someone else due to psychosis, or a variety of other things. These are held tenants of doctor-patient confidentiality.-- tidings.
Posted by Jimmyboy on February 17, 2007, at 12:33:25
In reply to Re: What???? » lcat10, posted by yxibow on February 17, 2007, at 3:05:31
That is great news that you have doctors that you feel really care aboout you personally .. I think it would make treatment a million times better and more effective to have some one in your corner who cares and can root you on.
But, in my experience many do not ( I have many family members who are doctors and like everyone else ..have seen many doctors). And unfortunately the medical school program actively trains doctors to not have feelings about their patients.. this is one of the goals of training. .its crazy. I see how its necessary not to get personally involve with every patient , that would wear you out and you would be unable to function .. but you have to have some level of caring about your patient to be a good doctor.
JB
Posted by lcat10 on February 17, 2007, at 13:43:28
In reply to Doctors who care, posted by Jimmyboy on February 17, 2007, at 12:33:25
> That is great news that you have doctors that you feel really care aboout you personally .. I think it would make treatment a million times better and more effective to have some one in your corner who cares and can root you on.
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> But, in my experience many do not ( I have many family members who are doctors and like everyone else ..have seen many doctors). And unfortunately the medical school program actively trains doctors to not have feelings about their patients.. this is one of the goals of training. .its crazy. I see how its necessary not to get personally involve with every patient , that would wear you out and you would be unable to function .. but you have to have some level of caring about your patient to be a good doctor.
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> JBActually, though some medical schools have taken the approach you mention, not all have. And, there has been a more recent trend to do just the opposite of what you state. Depends upon whom you see and where at this point I guess and also I suppose the treatment and meds, etc.
Posted by elanor roosevelt on February 19, 2007, at 23:02:14
In reply to Re: Doctors who care, posted by lcat10 on February 17, 2007, at 13:43:28
my pdoc is very happy for me when the meds are working
when i report that the meds are not working his frustration is sometimes aimed at me and not the failure of the meds
isn't that transference or something
Posted by laima on February 20, 2007, at 10:16:05
In reply to Re: Doctors who care, posted by elanor roosevelt on February 19, 2007, at 23:02:14
That's a shame if he aims his frustration your way. I would guess that that's just his frustration, with an inappropriate target. That's a common phenomena- how many of us encounter a friend after a frustrating event, and snip at an innocent comment that they make? The doctors are human after all, but I'm still very sorry to hear of this in a professional setting. It's definately not helpful.I'm sure doctors are happy when treatment is working, and frustrated when it's not. One, they want to help, two, they might not know why their recommendation didn't work-and feel frustrated with themselves over it. They might have been going on a hunch which seemed like a sure thing. There may be times they end up stumped over what to do next, and feel frustrated over that. They might wonder if patient is compliant-however misguided in one's case that might be- and there supposedly are tons on non-compliant patients seeing all kinds of doctors, so such a questioning doesn't come out of nowhere. A good doctor obviously has investment and interest to be effective, obviously cares about what he or she is doing. Hopefully most good doctors also have compassion, but even with the few who might be cooly detached- they still would want to feel competent and helpful. They want to be successful in treating patients, successful in their career. It seems that the best professionals in any field are enthusiastically fully engaged with their field.
Well, in any case, no matter where your doctor directs his frustration, my speculation is that it may actually stem from his own sense of failure at not having provided successful treatment. The meds might have failed you, but they obviously helped someone else, so that may be why doctor's frustration doesn't automatically target the meds.
Hang in there-
> my pdoc is very happy for me when the meds are working
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> when i report that the meds are not working his frustration is sometimes aimed at me and not the failure of the meds
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> isn't that transference or something
Posted by lcat10 on February 20, 2007, at 20:30:14
In reply to Re: Doctors who care, posted by elanor roosevelt on February 19, 2007, at 23:02:14
> my pdoc is very happy for me when the meds are working
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> when i report that the meds are not working his frustration is sometimes aimed at me and not the failure of the meds
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> isn't that transference or somethingCould you explain what it is he says or does that leads you to feel his frustration is aimed at you?
My pdoc expresses dismay and frowns, but it is because the med's are not working or because I can't take the med due to too sever side-effects. He wants me to do ECT and says he just wants me to feel better.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 24, 2007, at 10:05:24
In reply to Re: What ever happened to freedom of speach... » Sebastian, posted by yxibow on February 16, 2007, at 23:15:37
> There is freedom of speech on this board up to a point.
Thanks for explaining that.
> while this is an experiment in computer mediated therapy
But just to be clear, while this is in a way an experiment, it's neither research nor therapy.
Bob
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