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Posted by ralphrost on January 22, 2007, at 20:46:53
Hello,
it's quite a while i've been feeling emotionally numb, living a B&W world. When my doctors put me on meds (usually SSRIs, SJW and some others), I always felt more apathetic and actually more depressed. Docs seem to ignore this fact and suggest me to push the dose higher.
When not (more) emotionless, the medicines would turn me into a mediocre person, and I'd work and study no longer caring that my life was empty and lonely. It's not a life that brings satisfaction, it's just an acceptable - though miserable - world. I see life flushing down the drain, and I'm still very young for giving up of an enjoyable life.
On monday I have an appointment with my doctor, and I thought about asking him to try Parnate, as I heard that it doesn't make people apathetic.
I wonder if anyone have the same experience that medication just make you accept a though reality. Follows an interesting article with some insight on the subject:
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/ghb/authentic.html
Cheers
Ralph
Posted by MIke Lynch on January 22, 2007, at 21:07:32
In reply to Emotionless, careless, posted by ralphrost on January 22, 2007, at 20:46:53
Yes since starting ssri's i have felt this and it continues while i'm off it
Posted by falconman on January 23, 2007, at 9:40:10
In reply to Emotionless, careless, posted by ralphrost on January 22, 2007, at 19:44:19
> Hello,
>
> it's quite a while i've been feeling emotionally numb, living a B&W world. When my doctors put me on meds (usually SSRIs, SJW and some others), I always felt more apathetic and actually more depressed. Docs seem to ignore this fact and suggest me to push the dose higher.
>
> When not (more) emotionless, the medicines would turn me into a mediocre person, and I'd work and study no longer caring that my life was empty and lonely. It's not a life that brings satisfaction, it's just an acceptable - though miserable - world. I see life flushing down the drain, and I'm still very young for giving up of an enjoyable life.
>
> On monday I have an appointment with my doctor, and I thought about asking him to try Parnate, as I heard that it doesn't make people apathetic.
>
> I wonder if anyone have the same experience that medication just make you accept a though reality. Follows an interesting article with some insight on the subject:
>
> http://www.biopsychiatry.com/ghb/authentic.html
>
> Cheers
>
> RalphHi I was going to say a feel for you, except I'm pretty numb myself.Yeah I totally understand and agree. The article is great, I've read it before but your post inspired me to re-read it. Its off one of my favourite web sites. I'm going to try tianeptine. It was after reading about it on biopsychiatry.com that I got interested.
Take care
Posted by Phillipa on January 23, 2007, at 10:10:40
In reply to Re: Emotionless, careless, posted by falconman on January 23, 2007, at 9:40:10
Thought GHB was not a good med . It was the one they put in peoples drinks to make them sleepy? Love Phillipa
Posted by ralphrost on January 23, 2007, at 10:55:24
In reply to Re: Emotionless, careless, posted by falconman on January 23, 2007, at 9:40:10
> Hi I was going to say a feel for you, except I'm pretty numb myself.Yeah I totally understand and agree. The article is great, I've read it before but your post inspired me to re-read it. Its off one of my favourite web sites. I'm going to try tianeptine. It was after reading about it on biopsychiatry.com that I got interested.
> Take careHi falconman,
thanks for you reply. Feels like we're not alone, despite the fact that my doctors (about 6 i visited) never helped me on that. Formerly i used to think they were hiding the truth about medication, but now i prefer to think they just don't have knowledge enough.
I think our society is very work-oriented, so drug companies and researchers might be targeting a different kind of goal than i myself. I'm able to work efficiently when i'm on drugs, but life feels like crap, i don't even look at my girfriend's face (emotions are gone) and music sounds like noise to me.
I recall many times the way I've felt in the past. I'm not bipolar, but i'm sure i used to have some hypomanic moments. Those moments were the best ever and I consider myself a privileged person for having them. It's a different vision and feeling about life, similar to what people say when they try LSD or something else. I mean, how beautiful can life be when you're able to see and feel things differently?
Really, taking drugs that take away the only things that we really care about (our emotional and social life) is out of question.
Many times I caught myself thinking about street drugs, but the rational part of me keeps me away from that.
How are we gonna have a life that brings realization, when the only drugs we can take safely actually take away the last bit of human feelings that are left?
Posted by Quintal on January 23, 2007, at 12:45:58
In reply to Re: Emotionless, careless » falconman, posted by Phillipa on January 23, 2007, at 10:10:40
>Thought GHB was not a good med . It was the one they put in peoples drinks to make them sleepy? Love Phillipa
Some people have used GHB as a 'date-rape' drug and that has been used to fuel propaganda against GHB in the USA. I think this quote from the article ralphrost posted might explain a little more:
__________________________________________________Italians have used GHB to treat alcoholics and opiate addicts, without serious side effects. They have been using shorter time intervals than that which I recommend and big daily doses with heroin addicts with no apparent serious side-effects. This is in contradiction to what Americans have reported. So is there now an American and a European science??? Why are GHB side-effects "serious" in North-America and "negligible" in Europe (Italy)? Are these differences of opinions related to science OR culture??? My opinion is that demonisation of so-and-so is strongly entrenched in North American culture. In North America things have to be good or bad, black or white. Something cannot be good and bad at the same time, out there. This is an ayatollah way of thinking: it is cultural Inquisition. We are more realistic and pragmatic in Europe. Even water can lead to intoxication if taken in sufficient amounts.
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Posted by ed_uk on January 23, 2007, at 14:38:32
In reply to Emotionless, careless, posted by ralphrost on January 22, 2007, at 19:44:19
......I don't even care that I don't care.
Ed
Posted by ronaldo on January 23, 2007, at 15:35:20
In reply to On SSRIs......, posted by ed_uk on January 23, 2007, at 14:38:32
> ......I don't even care that I don't care.
>
> EdI don't care that I don't even care about not caring...
Hi Ed, maybe when I get off the Zyprexa I'll start to feel different about life. Day 13 on 2.5 mg; drop down to 1.25 mg on day 20. Do I really need to go so slowly? Oh yes also 5 mg Valium to counteract the rebound symptoms if any.
Apologies ralphrost for hijacking your post.
Here is another good article on GBH
http://www.ceri.com/feature.htm
Posted by ed_uk on January 23, 2007, at 16:04:50
In reply to On Lithium 900 mg and Zyprexa 2.5 mg » ed_uk, posted by ronaldo on January 23, 2007, at 15:35:20
Hi Ronaldo!
>Day 13 on 2.5 mg; drop down to 1.25 mg on day 20. Do I really need to go so slowly?
Although I can't be sure, going slowly certainly isn't going to do any harm and it IS *likely* to be beneficial. Rapid discontinuation of Zyprexa is like a shock to the system.......a very bad shock. It can be very difficult to withdraw from an antipsychotic after long term use.....as is the case with most psych drugs.
>5 mg Valium to counteract the rebound symptoms
That's ok, so long as you only take it occasionally. If you start taking it regularly you could have diazepam withdrawal to deal with - NOT a pleasant thought! Extreme mental and physical tension come to mind.
Regards
Ed
Posted by Phillipa on January 23, 2007, at 19:54:38
In reply to Re: Emotionless, careless » Phillipa, posted by Quintal on January 23, 2007, at 12:45:58
Q I believe you are right about NAmerica and the black and white thinking. Every now and then you meet a doc that thinks out of the box. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on January 23, 2007, at 19:56:04
In reply to On SSRIs......, posted by ed_uk on January 23, 2007, at 14:38:32
Ed you care about everyone. Love PJ O
Posted by Declan on January 24, 2007, at 1:24:53
In reply to Re: Emotionless, careless » Phillipa, posted by Quintal on January 23, 2007, at 12:45:58
The price of virtue is eternal ignorance.
Or something.
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