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Posted by Declan on December 30, 2006, at 0:26:20
(I know what the words mean.)
Does anyone want to describe the experience for me?
Posted by snapper on December 30, 2006, at 3:24:45
In reply to Leaden Paralysis, posted by Declan on December 30, 2006, at 0:26:20
> (I know what the words mean.)
>
> Does anyone want to describe the experience for me?
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Leaden Paralysis is a symptom of feeling heavy and weighed down like your limbs and body feel like they are so weighed down by the state of depression that it may seem 'impossible' to move or get around in a physical manner. It is common in depressive illness. It is also very common in atypical depression, which actually much more typical than what was once thought.
Hope that helps
-Snapper
Posted by elanor roosevelt on December 30, 2006, at 11:04:47
In reply to Re: Leaden Paralysis, posted by snapper on December 30, 2006, at 3:24:45
i once had a sudden meltdown and laid in bed under the covers without moving and inch for about 7 hours
i don't know how i managed to get up
i just remeber i did no want to frighten my daughter when she came home from school
Posted by Phillipa on December 30, 2006, at 11:06:27
In reply to Re: Leaden Paralysis, posted by elanor roosevelt on December 30, 2006, at 11:04:47
I think of stooped over and shuffling with no energy to move or think. Love Phillipa
Posted by Declan on December 30, 2006, at 15:28:06
In reply to Re: Leaden Paralysis, posted by Phillipa on December 30, 2006, at 11:06:27
So taking a couple of hours to turn on the wireless qualifies?
Posted by Phillipa on December 30, 2006, at 20:02:30
In reply to Re: Leaden Paralysis, posted by Phillipa on December 30, 2006, at 11:06:27
Declan want to e-mail me? Did you have stones in your pants pockets? I think it qualifies. Love PJ
Posted by Declan on December 30, 2006, at 21:42:14
In reply to Re: Leaden Paralysis » Phillipa, posted by Phillipa on December 30, 2006, at 20:02:30
It's like they say with employment.....the first 10 years is the worst.
Or so I hope.
Posted by Phillipa on December 30, 2006, at 22:31:08
In reply to Re: Leaden Paralysis » Phillipa, posted by Declan on December 30, 2006, at 21:42:14
Declan I loved working all the years. Now I wish I could and they are too advanced. Want to trade places? Love PJ
Posted by elanor roosevelt on December 31, 2006, at 10:35:02
In reply to Re: Leaden Paralysis » Declan, posted by Phillipa on December 30, 2006, at 22:31:08
one of my red flags that alert me to meltdowns is my perception of distance
i walk for hours without hesitation when i am well
then everything seems so far away
Posted by Cecilia on January 1, 2007, at 0:32:58
In reply to Leaden Paralysis, posted by Declan on December 30, 2006, at 0:26:20
I have this every day for at least an hour after I wake up. Physically it almost does feel like paralysis. Intellectually I know I CAN get up, and when I have to I do, but it feels exactly like it sounds like, like your body is made of lead that is almost impossible to move. I have to set my alarm for at least 2 or 3 hours before I have to leave for any place. Cecilia
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 4:35:29
In reply to Leaden Paralysis, posted by Declan on December 30, 2006, at 0:26:20
Dec,
I find it almost impossible to get up unless I have to get up to go to work. I'm not depressed at the moment, it's more a case of extreme 'leaden laziness'. I can't seem to escape from the comfort of bed. I'm still in shock that I managed to get up this morning ie. not this afternoon.
Ed
Posted by Ctemene on January 5, 2007, at 14:50:51
In reply to Leaden Paralysis, posted by Declan on December 30, 2006, at 0:26:20
Yes, I think I can describe sort of what leaden paralysis feels like. A long time ago I used to exercise with ankle weights. I would strap on the ankle weights and run for a mile or so. Sometimes I would just strap on the ankle weights and walk around. Anyway, when I took off the ankle weights after I had been wearing them for a while, I felt like an angel: very light and almost as if I were hardly touching the ground. That is what it felt like on Day 9 of my Parnate trial: I didn't realize that I had leaden paralysis until I started taking Parnate. On about Day 9 of my Parnate trial, I noticed that my legs and arms felt much lighter than before, and it required less effort to move around. But, I should say again, I was not aware that I had leaden paralysis until the Parnate reduced it (although I was aware that I had a lot of fatigue), so what I felt was the reduction of leaden paralysis, not the leaden paralysis itself. I think you become accustomed to the effort it takes to move, and so you don't notice leaden paralysis so much, you just feel tired all the time.
> (I know what the words mean.)
>
> Does anyone want to describe the experience for me?
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>
Posted by tessellated on January 5, 2007, at 16:42:13
In reply to Re: Leaden Paralysis » Declan, posted by Ctemene on January 5, 2007, at 14:50:51
no get up and go
only reason to wonder
watching as the world turns without you
stuck pondering inponderables
frozen in thoughtrat translation:
low scores on the "forced swim test"
high scores on "learned helplessness"i actually put amphetamines into rats during a study on amphetamines and maze learning, etc... and before the lab had motion detecting software, you would simply sit and count how many times the fuzzy white guys would run from side to side and that would qualify as "mobility". high number's = non leaden paralysis.
if you shock a rat no matter what it does to avoid the shock, it will just sit there and suffer...
i think drooling is a sign...in humans
Posted by elanor roosevelt on January 7, 2007, at 21:39:20
In reply to Re: Leaden Paralysis, posted by tessellated on January 5, 2007, at 16:42:13
> no get up and go
> only reason to wonder
> watching as the world turns without you
> stuck pondering inponderables
> frozen in thought
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> rat translation:
> low scores on the "forced swim test"
> high scores on "learned helplessness"
>
> i actually put amphetamines into rats during a study on amphetamines and maze learning, etc... and before the lab had motion detecting software, you would simply sit and count how many times the fuzzy white guys would run from side to side and that would qualify as "mobility". high number's = non leaden paralysis.
>
> if you shock a rat no matter what it does to avoid the shock, it will just sit there and suffer...
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> i think drooling is a sign...in humansdrooling is rarely a good sign
Posted by gardenergirl on January 8, 2007, at 12:08:59
In reply to Re: Leaden Paralysis, posted by Cecilia on January 1, 2007, at 0:32:58
> I have this every day for at least an hour after I wake up. Physically it almost does feel like paralysis. Intellectually I know I CAN get up, and when I have to I do, but it feels exactly like it sounds like, like your body is made of lead that is almost impossible to move. I have to set my alarm for at least 2 or 3 hours before I have to leave for any place. Cecilia
That's exactly what it has been like for me. Before I knew about leaden paralysis, I thought I just didn't "want" to get up "enough" or I would have.
Nardil alone didn't do it for me. Provigil helps, as does light therapy.
gg
Posted by Declan on January 9, 2007, at 1:51:19
In reply to Re: Leaden Paralysis, posted by tessellated on January 5, 2007, at 16:42:13
no get up and go
only reason to wonder
watching as the world turns without you
stuck pondering imponderables
frozen in thought
Thanks for that, Tessellated.I sure do know what you mean by that, whatever we call it.
Posted by elanor roosevelt on January 11, 2007, at 6:44:27
In reply to Re: Leaden Paralysis » tessellated, posted by Declan on January 9, 2007, at 1:51:19
> frozen in thoughtmakes me think of that movie "Brain Candy"
>
Posted by sookie on September 15, 2010, at 7:52:10
In reply to Re: Leaden Paralysis, posted by elanor roosevelt on January 11, 2007, at 6:44:27
That Parnate medicine, where can I get that? Ive been suffering from what I call "extreme laziness" for the past weeks. I make up excuses not go to work, or I would say Im on my way, but the truth is Im just in bed, then time would pass and I make up excuses again for not going to work. Ive used up all my sick leaves. The most embarrassing is my employer had to call and meet me to ask me to go to work regularly or at that point just to go to work that time...but i didnt. I just can't get up. If I attempt to stand up, I can feel like gravity is pulling my limbs buttocks thighs, everything.I really believed I had a lingering flu without the fever. I blame my hypertension as well. Im not overweight. believe I am in the normal range thou I gained a few pounds because of this.My officemates hate me because they end up doing my tasks. Im not a melodramatic bitch and I wont put my work in jeopardy just for laziness. I have to say that they've been very supportive, thinking that all this is because of my mom's death 5 months ago. She lived with me and took care of her the whole 4 months when she was in the hospital. It was difficult til now. This Leaden paralysis is crazy but the symptoms are convincing. HELP
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