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Posted by jimmygold70 on December 30, 2006, at 4:38:28
In reply to Re: Why not say NPD? » jimmygold70, posted by Quintal on December 29, 2006, at 15:54:34
Well Quintal, I think you made your case. If Asperger's diagnosis seems more clinically useful for you - go for it.
BTW:
1. What medications helped you?
2. Do you find it hard to interpret others' facial expressions?
Posted by elanor roosevelt on December 30, 2006, at 10:53:46
In reply to Re: Time to Think and Plan » Phillipa, posted by Declan on December 28, 2006, at 23:04:33
> Yeah, and not so many silly ideas either.
you are confusing foolish and silly
foolish thing we tend to regret
silly is good
very good
Posted by Quintal on December 30, 2006, at 11:05:04
In reply to Re: Why not say NPD? » Quintal, posted by jimmygold70 on December 30, 2006, at 4:38:28
Most medications helped my depression and anxiety at least for a while but there was still something wrong with me even when I was doing well. I assumed the medications were ineffective because of this and requested others hoping they'd be better - that pattern continued for years hence my long and complicated treatment history. Klonopin was the most effective for anxiety and opiates for depression.
Obviously I know when people are smiling, frowning etc., it's the meaning of more subtle body language I struggle with. At times I have failed to understand what seem to be glaringly obvious cues with hindsight; e.g. I was once violently sick into the hand basin at my friend's university lodgings after a night of heavy drinking. I must have left it there and gone back to bed because in the morning my friend's flatmate cornered me on the stairs to tell me how she'd had to pick the sediment out with her bare hands when she needed to brush her teeth after breakfast. She left the conversation hanging with a wide grimace that lasted for about 10 seconds in which I stared back at her blankly wondering what was going on. It only occurred to me when ruminating over it a few days later that that pause had been her way of giving me the opportunity to apologise. That solved the mystery of why she'd suddenly started acting so coldly toward me - so I guess rumination does serve a useful purpose at times.............
I've committed many other more subtle social solecisms over the years due to misinterpreted facial expressions and gestures.
Q
Posted by Declan on December 30, 2006, at 13:53:13
In reply to Re: Time to Think and Plan, posted by elanor roosevelt on December 30, 2006, at 10:53:46
Posted by Quintal on December 30, 2006, at 16:18:46
In reply to Asperger's Syndrome? » jimmygold70, posted by Quintal on December 30, 2006, at 11:05:04
Does anyone else find their verbal IQ goes up when they're on opiates? Seems unlikely but I just happened to re-read that last post of mine and it seems more than I could muster right now when my 40mg codeine has worn off.
They seem to give me creative energy yet you normally hear of people just lying about and getting stoned.
Q
Posted by Phillipa on December 30, 2006, at 19:34:21
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome? » Quintal, posted by Quintal on December 30, 2006, at 16:18:46
Q all I know is that when I broke my arm last year and the soft splint was digging into my skin so couldn't sleep at night that the l percocet I took made me feel better and I would find myself laughing. Told the doc answer they are addicting. Next!!!!!Love Phillipa
Posted by Declan on December 30, 2006, at 20:03:02
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome? » Quintal, posted by Quintal on December 30, 2006, at 16:18:46
Verbal IQ can go up when you are comfortable enough and can think properly (whatever that means).
When tianeptine actually works on me (2nd or 3rd dose of the day) I can become quite smart, actually managing to get most of it out there.
And it is why I took opiates.If the social cues are hard to read then there is pain (somehow).
I often simply do/did not understand what people were saying, being too busy trying to find the hidden meaning.
Posted by Quintal on December 31, 2006, at 16:10:50
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome? » Quintal, posted by Declan on December 30, 2006, at 20:03:02
I've just found this website that has four tests relevant to the autistic spectrum:
http://glennrowe.net/BaronCohen/MaleFemale.asp
Anyone with enough spare time care to tell us their results?
Q
Posted by Declan on December 31, 2006, at 19:14:22
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome?, posted by Quintal on December 31, 2006, at 16:10:50
Systematising........26 (average)
Empathy..............35 (average)
Autism Spectrum......39 (very high)
Mind in the eyes.....18 (average/lowish)Time to greet the newly arrived guests with some ad libbed convesation.
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 5:04:06
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome? » Quintal, posted by Declan on December 31, 2006, at 19:14:22
Hi D and Q,
Autistic Spectrum 23 (slightly above average 'autisticness'.
Ed
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 5:06:02
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome? » Declan, posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 5:04:06
PS. I would have scored a lot higher when I was younger. Things have definitely improved here.
Ed
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 5:42:11
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome? » Quintal, posted by Declan on December 31, 2006, at 19:14:22
My empathy, 42 (average)
Mind in eyes, 26 (average)
Systemizing, 9 (very low)
Ed
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 5:46:04
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome?, posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 5:42:11
>Systemizing, 9 (very low)
I'm so bad! Seriously I don't know how most people could score so high. I mean, who reads instruction manuals in detail? I'm brain dead, I blame SSRIs. Ugh.
Ed
Posted by Declan on January 1, 2007, at 13:13:48
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome? » ed_uk, posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 5:46:04
In theory I'm fairly obsessional, but in practice too lazy. I'll restack the dishwasher so everything is OK and I really believe there is only one correct way to do everything, but 50 years of hanging(?) around this world has taken the edge off.
My results are complicated by the fact that I am a verbal and not a visual person. I can remember some of who said what, but can't describe the mosquito net I sleep under.
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 13:22:39
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome? » ed_uk, posted by Declan on January 1, 2007, at 13:13:48
Good evening Declan
I'm confused about MSN because you appeared and then disappeared again immediately!
>In theory I'm fairly obsessional, but in practice too lazy
That describes me very well. VERY well.
>My results are complicated by the fact that I am a verbal and not a visual person
I'm not a visual person at all. I can never remember what things look like.
Ed
Posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 14:34:38
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome? » Quintal, posted by Declan on December 31, 2006, at 19:14:22
OK time to add my own results to the debate......
Autism Spectrum Quotient: 38 (Very high)
Empathy Quotient: 14 (Very low and very unexpected)
Systemising Quotient: 48 (Very high)All looking good for the AS theory until......
Mind in the eyes: 32 (*Very* high, way above average even for 'normal' people. Ooh, ooh, ooh)
So..... am I just a nefarious sociopath as jimmygold70 suggests or is something else at work here?
I had a look around one of the Asperger's support sites and curiously most of them were scoring in the mid twenties for the 'Mind in the eyes' tests with a few who had even been diagnosed with Asperger's as children scoring in the thirties. A common theme was that people said they were working out the expressions by a process of elimination - otherwise it seems odd that people on the autistic spectrum are scoring so highly on facial recognition tests.
Curious.
Q
Posted by Declan on January 1, 2007, at 14:51:07
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » Declan, posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 14:34:38
Nefarious sociopath?
Sounds promising, but ADHD might be more productive.
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 15:10:48
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » Quintal, posted by Declan on January 1, 2007, at 14:51:07
>Sounds promising, but ADHD might be more productive.
At least then you can get a script for something? In theory.
Ed
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 15:13:35
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » Declan, posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 14:34:38
>Mind in the eyes: 32 (*Very* high, way above average even for 'normal' people. Ooh, ooh, ooh)
I found that test so hard. Most of the time I was just having to guess. I'm surprised that I even scored average.
Ed
Posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 15:26:32
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » Quintal, posted by Declan on January 1, 2007, at 14:51:07
>Sounds promising, but ADHD might be more productive.
No, not likely - I can concentrate for huge lengths of time, my spelling is good, I'm not hyperactive etc., etc, etc. Besides, you can't have ADHD in the UK in any case - it's not a productive diagnosis here ;-)
Amphetamines don't help me and I had a horrible reaction NARIs, so Strattera is not an option I'd be willing to take.
I'm confused where the boundaries between ADHD and other PDDs lie. Is there any real difference between them?
Q
Posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 15:31:52
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............., posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 15:10:48
>At least then you can get a script for something? In theory.
Do you really think any GP would be willing to rx amphetamines to an adult with a history of substance misuse in the UK, no matter what the diagnosis? They are the same doctors who cut off my supply of clonazepam at 2mg. I don't expect any compassionate prescribing.
Q
Posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 15:38:13
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » Quintal, posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 15:13:35
>I found that test so hard. Most of the time I was just having to guess. I'm surprised that I even scored average.
I just looked through the available options, looked carefully at the eyes and chose what I thought was most likely. I would be more interested in the results of open ended questions.
I am a highly visual person though - I have a photographic memory. More like a videographic memory in fact. I wonder if that makes a difference and does it mean anything re: the autistic spectrum. Are they usually less visual than most?
Q
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 16:01:36
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » ed_uk, posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 15:31:52
>Do you really think any GP would be willing to rx amphetamines to an adult with a history of substance misuse in the UK, no matter what the diagnosis?
No :) I was just amused by Declan's remark!
Ed
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 16:04:21
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » ed_uk, posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 15:38:13
Hi Q
>I have a photographic memory. More like a videographic memory in fact.
Amazing indeed. I'm the exact opposite.
>Are they usually less visual than most?
I wouldn't have said so. I have heard of autistic people with photographic memories.
Ed
Posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 16:09:02
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............., posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 16:04:21
Another thing just occurred to me. Would someone with untreated ADHD really be able to sit at a computer and post all those detailed post as I have for the last two months? I've never looked very closely at ADHD and it's sub-types but it seems somewhat unlikely when I look at it in that light.
Q
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